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Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)
Catholic.com ^ | Peggy Frye

Posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by narses

Full Question

Until recently, I always thought Catholics worshiped on the Sabbath, and that the early Church moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Answer

This is a common misunderstanding. Catholics do not worship on the Sabbath, which according to Jewish law is the last day of the week (Saturday), when God rested from all the work he had done in creation (Gen. 2:2-3). Catholics worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday, the eighth day); the day when God said "Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3); the day when Christ rose from the dead; the day when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles (Day of Pentecost). The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day" (CCC 2191).

The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead "The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ" (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.

We see evidence of this in Scripture:

On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight (Acts 20:7). On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come (1 Cor. 16:2). Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath (Col. 2:16). The Catechism also says:

By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord’s Day or Sunday. The day of Christ’s Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the "eighth day," on which Christ after his "rest" on the great Sabbath inaugurates the "day that the Lord has made," the "day that knows no evening." (CCC 1166)

Other CCC references to the Lord’s Day: 349, 2174, 2175, 2191

Answered by: Peggy Frye


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1 posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:39 PM PDT by narses
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Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church “changed” the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.

The Didache

“But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch

“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr

“[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God” (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia

“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven” (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen

“Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

Victorinus

“The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished” (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).

Eusebius of Caesarea

“They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things” (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

Athanasius

“The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation” (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem

“Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean” (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

Council of Laodicea

“Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

John Chrysostom

“[W]hen he [God] said, ‘You shall not kill’ . . . he did not add, ‘because murder is a wicked thing.’ The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath— ‘On the seventh day you shall do no work’—he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? ‘Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make’ [Ex. 20:10-11]. . . . For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: ‘You shall not kill. . . . You shall not commit adultery. . . . You shall not steal.’ On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition” (Homilies on the Statutes 12:9 [A.D. 387]).

“You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews?” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).

“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402]).

The Apostolic Constitutions

“And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food” (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).

Augustine

“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian. . . . Which of these commandments would anyone say that the Christian ought not to keep? It is possible to contend that it is not the law which was written on those two tables that the apostle [Paul] describes as ‘the letter that kills’ [2 Cor. 3:6], but the law of circumcision and the other sacred rites which are now abolished” (The Spirit and the Letter 24 [A.D. 412]).

Pope Gregory I

“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2]” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597]).

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3 posted on 05/12/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
" Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath (Col. 2:16). "

There were festivals, new moons and extra Sabbaths (Not THE Sabbath) which cropped up from time to time which commemorated different events and people. Any Jew at that time would not believe how this verse is being mis-interpreted now though. It certainly is shallow reasoning that would usurp (in stone no less) Remember (like people might forget) the Sabbath Day and keep it holy.

4 posted on 05/12/2013 6:02:53 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: narses

How do we possibly know which day of the week it actually is after 1000’s of years?


5 posted on 05/12/2013 6:03:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: narses
"Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. "

And here I thought it was God that wrote the Ten Commandments and not manmade organizations.

6 posted on 05/12/2013 6:05:39 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: narses
The Synaxarion of Pascha explicitly says
This Feast was called Passover from the Jewish name; for Christ by his Passion and Resurrection translated us from the curse of Adam and the bondage of Satan to the ancient liberty and bliss. As for the day of the week, which is called in Hebrew, the first day, being dedicated to our Lord for his glorification and magnification, is called in Greek Kyriake, or the Lord's Day. The Disciples transferred to it the dignity of the sabbath after the law of the Old Testament, and prescribed that it be a holiday and a day of rest.

7 posted on 05/12/2013 6:06:22 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Paladin2

We do know, because the Apostles, all Jews, would attend the synagogue on the Sabbath, and then they would celebrate The Lord’s Day on Sunday in little house churches since Christ has risen from the dead on a Sunday.


8 posted on 05/12/2013 6:06:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Paladin2
"How do we possibly know which day of the week it actually is after 1000’s of years?"

You look on the calendar. We have calendars that go back to the time of Moses. This is really a weak argument. If there was an error, Jesus would have corrected it in His life here. You can follow Catholic tradition or follow the life of Christ who kept the Sabbath. Your choice.

9 posted on 05/12/2013 6:08:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Salvation

“The Lord’s Day “ is identified as what? Mark 2:28 gives a clue.


10 posted on 05/12/2013 6:10:37 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: narses

Yes.

The religion had to have distinctions.


11 posted on 05/12/2013 6:15:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: narses
Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)
Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday

12 posted on 05/12/2013 6:15:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob

The Old Testament is the Law, the New Testament is Grace.


13 posted on 05/12/2013 6:15:16 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: svcw

So God changed His mind? That thing He wrote in stone? The one that said REMEMBER, we should now just forget? Why didn’t God get it right the first time? And what’s this with Jesus kept the Sabbath and He is our example but we should just follow what the RCC says instead?


14 posted on 05/12/2013 6:18:02 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: narses
Saturday is not just a Jewish Sabbath and there is no evidence in the Bible that supports Sunday worship. The Catholic leaders readily admit changing it.

The Catechism

Recall the ceremony with which God made known His Law, containing the blessing of the seventh-day Sabbath, by which all humanity is to be judged. Contrast this with the unannounced, unnoticed anticlimax with which the church gradually adopted Sunday at the command of “Christian” emperors and Roman bishops. And these freely admit that they made the change from Sabbath to Sunday.

In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her! —Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.

In Catholic Christian Instructed,

Q. Has the [Catholic] church power to make any alterations in the commandments of God?
A. ...Instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed by the old law, the church has prescribed the Sundays and holy days to be set apart for God’s worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God’s commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath. —Rt. Rev. Dr. Challoner, p. 211.

In An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine,

Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
Q. How prove you that?
A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power. –Rev. Henry Tuberville, D.D. (R.C.), (1833), page 58.

In A Doctrinal Catechism,

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. –Rev. Stephen Keenan, (1851), p. 174.

In the Catechism of the Council of Trent,

The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday! –p 402, second revised edition (English), 1937. (First published in 1566)

In the Augsburg Confession,

They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments. —Art. 28.

God warned that a blasphemous power would “seek to change times and laws,” and the Catholic Church openly admits doing it, even boasts about it. In a sermon at the Council of Trent in 1562, the Archbishop of Reggia, Caspar del Fossa, claimed that the Catholic Church’s whole authority is based upon the fact that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Does this not fulfill the prophecies of Daniel and Paul?

“For centuries millions of Christians have gathered to worship God on the first day of the week. Graciously He has accepted this worship. He has poured out His blessings upon Christian people as they have sought to serve Him. However, as one searches the Scriptures, he is forced to recognize that Sunday is not a day of God’s appointment… It has no foundation in Scripture, but has arisen entirely as a result of custom,” says Frank H. Yost, Ph.D. in The Early Christian Sabbath.

Let us ask the question again: Was the Sabbath changed from the seventh day of the week to the first? The Bible is clear: “And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy” (Genesis 2:3). “Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy” (Exodus 20:11). If God intended for another day to become the Sabbath, He must have removed the blessing from the seventh day and placed it on the day which was to replace it. But when God bestows a blessing, it is forever. “…You, O Lord, have blessed it, and it will be blessed forever” (1 Chronicles 17:27). “I have received a command to bless; He has blessed, and I cannot change it” (Numbers 23:20). Your birthday, a memorial of your birth, can’t be changed, though you may celebrate it on a different day. Neither can the Sabbath, a memorial of creation (Exodus 20:11), be changed, though some may celebrate it on a different day.

God instructed Moses to construct the earthly sanctuary, all its furniture, and the ark according to “the pattern” he was shown. (Exodus 25:9, 40) The ark was called the “ark of the covenant” (Numbers 10:33, Deuteronomy 10:8, Hebrews 9:4), and the “ark of the testimony” (Exodus 25:22), because in it Moses placed the tablets of stone on which God wrote His Law. (Exodus 25:16, 31:18) John, in Revelation 11:19, describes the scene before him when “the temple of God was opened in Heaven.” John saw the ark of the covenant in the heavenly sanctuary. David wrote, “Your word, O Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens” (Psalm 119:89). It is safe to assume that God’s Law remains, contained within the ark of the covenant in the heavenly sanctuary.

When God says, “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God” (Exodus 20:10), that ends all controversy. We cannot change God’s Word for our own convenience. “But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve” (Joshua 24:15)."

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/

15 posted on 05/12/2013 6:21:15 PM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: BipolarBob

The old Testament is the Law, the New Testament Grace......
talk to Jesus about that He was pretty clear.......do you understand Grace?


16 posted on 05/12/2013 6:23:14 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: svcw

Matt 5:17-19
Think NOT that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am come not to destroy but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whomsoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven; but whomsoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of God.


17 posted on 05/12/2013 6:25:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: svcw
.do you understand Grace?
Perfectly. Do you understand Jesus and His words or only what your church tells you is right?
18 posted on 05/12/2013 6:27:35 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob
So God changed His mind?

No. He sent His Son.

19 posted on 05/12/2013 6:28:16 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: narses

Most believers worship on “The Lord’s Day” or “Resurrection Day,” not the Seventh Day of the week as was in the beginning, which is the day non-completed Jews still worship.


20 posted on 05/12/2013 6:30:06 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: narses

Video: Dr Samuele Bacchiocchi - My Search for the Sabbath at a Vatican University

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKSkOUnvIk

His Book: From Sabbath to Sunday: A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity

by Samuele Bacchiocchi

...
The results of this investigation are presented in From Sabbath to Sunday, which is a translation and an adaptation of his Italian doctoral dissertation, presented at and published by the Pontifical Gregorian University Press.

The investigation establishes that the change from Saturday to Sunday began approximately one century after the death of Christ, as a result of an interplay of political, social, pagan and Christian factors. The change in the day of rest and worship was not merely a change of names or of numbers, but rather a change of meaning, authority and experience. Essentially it was a change from a Holy Day into a holiday.

From Sabbath to Sunday has the distinction of being the first book written by a non-Catholic ever to be published by a Pontifical press with the Catholic imprimatur (approval). The book has already been reprinted fourteen times in English and has been translated in several languages. Hundreds of scholars of different persuasions have praised this book as a definitive treatment of the early history of the Lord’s Day...

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/sabbath_to_sunday/

also:
http://www.amazon.com/From-Sabbath-Sunday-Investigation-Christianity/dp/1930987005


21 posted on 05/12/2013 6:31:23 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Paladin2

If you observe a Sabbath, with a Jewish congregation- even just once, you will understand much more.


22 posted on 05/12/2013 6:31:56 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: FatherofFive

What a poor argument for the changing one of Gods Commandments. If what you said were so, Jesus would have clearly and emphatically made this change and would have practiced this change. He did not. In fact He said in Matthew 24:20 about an event many years after His resurrection that the Sabbath was still valid.


23 posted on 05/12/2013 6:34:02 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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Question: “You mean the Church changed the day of worship because they say Christ authorized them to do so?”

Answer: “Yes. They did and He did.”

The Sabbath is not part of the natural law.

Mr 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

mark/2-27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.


24 posted on 05/12/2013 6:34:50 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: zerosix
"Most believers worship on “The Lord’s Day” or “Resurrection Day,” not the Seventh Day of the week as was in the beginning, which is the day non-completed Jews still worship."

What difference does it make how many people worship incorrectly? One plus God is always a majority.

25 posted on 05/12/2013 6:37:01 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: narses; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; Springfield Reformer; ..
The stamps (NIHIL OBSTAT; IMPRIMATUR) do not mean much (even to RCs today), but it is clear that it was because a pope changed the day that Christian met on the 1st day.

THE SABBATH & SUNDAY
by Pastor J. Mark Martin

 

WHEN THE COUNSEL OF ACTS 15 CONVENED to determine what Gentile Christians must observe, SABBATH KEEPING IS CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT. Peter exhorts the leadership of the Church not to place the Gentiles under the Law:

Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." Acts 15:10-11.

The final judgment of the Jerusalem Council contains no reference to Sabbath keeping. Circumcision was discussed and deemed unnecessary (vss. 5-6; 19-20). If Sabbath keeping were to be an essential part of the New Covenant relationship with God it would have been mentioned in the discussion because it would have been an unfamiliar practice to the Gentiles. Sabbath keeping was not even discussed because it is not a requirement for New Covenant believers:

 

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials; that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell." (Acts 15:28-29).

NOTICE that the Holy Spirit told them NOT to lay upon the Gentiles any greater burden than THOSE ESSENTIALS. OBVIOUSLY THE HOLY SPIRIT DID NOT THINK SABBATH KEEPING WAS AN ESSENTIAL THING ANYMORE!

The 7 post-resurrection appearances of Christ show that Jesus purposefully chose the first day of the week to meet with His disciples to encourage and exhort them. The evidence shows that five of these appearances occurred on a Sunday, the first day of the week. We do not have a record of what the actual day on which the other appearances (John 21 and Acts 1:6-10) occurred to His disciples. What we can say with accuracy is this, after Jesus' resurrection whenever He met with His disciples and the day is identified, it is NOT the Sabbath, it is the first day of the week!

1). To Mary, On the morning of the resurrection - Matthew 28:8-10; Mark 16:9; John 20:11-18

2). To two disciples going to Emmaus - Luke 24:13-33; Mark 16:12-13

3). To Simon (Peter) - Luke 24:31-35.

4). To the eleven disciples on the evening of Resurrection Sunday - Mark 16:14-18; Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-23

5). To the Eleven disciples "Eight days later" - John 20:26-29

Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn't make Sunday the Sabbath, it just tells you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized.

When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is always the first day of the week. Look at the extremely important events that occurred in the life of the first followers of Christ on the first day of the week.

1). Jesus startled them by appearing to them on the first day (John 20:19).

2). Jesus received worship from Thomas (John 20:27-28).

3). Sunday evening Jesus took bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to His disciples evidently like He had in instituting the communion meal (Luke 22:19) and their "eyes were opened and they recognized Him" (Luke 24:31).

4). Sunday evening Jesus blessed His disciples twice saying "Peace be with you" (John 20:20; 26).

5). That same Sunday evening Jesus "...breathed on them and said, 'receive the Holy Spirit'" John 20:22.

6). On Sunday evening Jesus gave His disciples the ecclesiastical authority to proclaim forgiveness to those who believe in Him through the Gospel (John 20:23).

NOTE: Why did the Disciples meet on Sunday?

1). Because it now carried a special symbolic/anti-typical significance for them

2). Even if it didn't and was by chance, --Jesus still chose to reveal Himself to them only on Sunday, when we know what day it is. That must also hold some kind of Divine significance.

3). Jesus could have chosen to meet with His disciple on the Sabbath. This would have clearly set a New Covenant precedent. He did not chose to do this. The Sabbath was the sign of a fulfilled covenant (see Exodus 31:17 & Hebrews 8:13).

THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:

1). To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2). Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3). Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4). Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5). Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6). Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7). Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8). False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9). Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times
* see references here *

Why is it that the duty to keep the Seventh day as Sabbath is not mentioned ONCE in the New Testament?

WHEN THE NEW TESTAMENT LISTS SINS, SABBATH BREAKING IS CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT:

In Mark 7:21-22 13 sins are listed. Jesus did not mention breaking the Sabbath.
In Romans 1:29-32 20 sins are listed and not one of them is Sabbath breaking.
In Galatians 5:19-21 a list of 15 sins are given,
In 2 Timothy 3:1-4 there's a list of 18 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned!

WHY IS IT THAT NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS IT TAUGHT THAT THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT MUST BE OBSERVED?

-Why is it that nowhere in the New Testament is failure to keep the Sabbath day condemned as sin?

-Why is the fourth commandment itself not repeated even ONCE in the New Testament?

-If the Sabbath keeping is so important for a disciple of Christ, why was it not mentioned in His sermon on the Mount or in ANY of His teachings?

-Why didn't Jesus command Sabbath keeping?

-Why didn't any of the Apostles command Sabbath keeping?

-Why didn't the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)

Some answer that the Jews already knew about the Sabbath so it was taken for granted that they would continue to keep it, but then why were the other nine commandments reiterated? Would they not be taken for granted as well? It would also seem that with so many Gentiles coming into the Church, that if keeping the Sabbath was so important there would be instruction in the New Testament Epistles somewhere concerning it. There are instructions for them concerning morality, ethics, worship, Church order and family lifestyle. Why would something as important as Sabbath keeping be ignored? Circumcision, which predates the Law and the Sabbath commandment was an issue in the New Testament Church and is addressed repeatedly in the New Testament Epistles and by the Jerusalem Counsel.

Sabbath keepers argue that it is the example of Jesus that gives us the reason for keeping the Sabbath. "He kept the Sabbath, so I must keep the Sabbath. Jesus is my example," they say. Well this kind of reasoning is flawed because it only chooses Jesus' Sabbath keeping and rejects the rest of His Jewish lifestyle. Jesus also kept Kosher laws. He kept the Passover, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and worshipped in the temple. Are we to follow everything He did?

Galatians 4:4-5 says that Jesus lived under the Law to redeem us from the Law.

"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons." (NIV)

JESUS WAS ALSO ACCUSED OF SABBATH BREAKING. Why, if He wanted to be our "example" in Sabbath keeping didn't He make it clear that He was not breaking the Sabbath? Instead He clearly admits to it. He also admits that His disciples were breaking the Sabbath and He defends them. Read Matthew 12:1- 14 carefully. Jesus is clearly saying that His disciples are like the priests who may work in the temple every Sabbath and be innocent of breaking the Sabbath. When Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath" He is declaring that He is above the Sabbath. He may do what He wishes on the Sabbath and therefore His disciples may do whatever they wish as well.

Apparently Jesus did break the Sabbath: "Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath."..." John 9:15. If Jesus did not want us to understand that He was breaking the Sabbath why did He not speak against these accusations. It's because Jesus had the right and the authority to break the Sabbath because He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath does not bind Him. Think about this, if it does not bind Him, are we not "in Christ"? Why would it be any more binding upon us. (Again Read Matthew 12:1-14 carefully).

One of the issues that needs to be honestly faced is the fact that Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath and none of His apostles ever commanded anyone to keep it either. Not once in the New Testament are we told to keep the Sabbath. Those commands to the Church are conspicuously absent from the teachings of the New Testament.

EVERY MENTION OF THE SABBATH IN THE BOOK OF ACTS without a single exception is in connection with Jewish worship on that day and not Christian celebration. Paul's evangelistic strategy was to go to the Jews first in a community and share the Gospel with them. Sabbath is the day when he knew he would find the most Jews gathering for worship. He knew he would have his best opportunity of sharing the good news of the Messiah to the Jews on Sabbath. It was not because he was meeting with a group of believing Christians. He was meeting with non-Christian Jews.

IS THE TEN COMMANDMENT LAW ETERNAL?

More :

Christian have a clear precedent for keeping the 1st day, but no command to keep the 7th day under the New Cov., nor example of an actual NT does so, and the tendency to fall back into observance of the Jewish liturgical calendar and by extension, such annual feast days as a church is reproved.

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Galatians 4:9-11)

26 posted on 05/12/2013 6:39:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: theBuckwheat

It appears that the Roman Church, based on the evidence developed from the Vatican’s own archives, claims the authority to change the Saturday to Sunday. Further, officials of the Roman Church have in the past been bold in their claim that anyone who observes Sunday has acknowledged the authority of Rome to have made the change.

The following is from:

ROME’S CHALLENGE: Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday?

Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Roman Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.

Over one hundred years ago the Catholic Mirror ran a series of articles discussing the right of the Protestant churches to worship on Sunday. The articles stressed that unless one was willing to accept the authority of the Catholic Church to designate the day of worship, the Christian should observe Saturday. Those articles are presented here in their entirety.
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from: http://biblelight.net/chalng.htm


27 posted on 05/12/2013 6:39:54 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: BipolarBob

BipolarBob,

Of my acquaintances I only know three of whom are or were Sabbatarians. I know that two of them were raised SDA, but they no longer are in attendance of a SDA church, but both propagate Sabbath observance.

My question, please don’t be offended, is this,

Were you raised SDA, or were you proselytized into the SDA Church?

I have a friendly running dialogue with both of them regarding SDA theology, in particular Sabbath Observance and Ellen White’s “The Investigative Judgement”

Thanks if you are able to respond, not looking for a pissing match I am just doing my own study of how people got into the SDA church.

gettinolder


28 posted on 05/12/2013 6:44:30 PM PDT by gettinolder (Pursue the enemy relentlessly to the limit of every man's endurance.)
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To: narses
Yikes! I left out NOT (though my mind did not) in "it is clear that it was [NOT] because a pope changed the day that Christian met on the 1st day."

Sorry all.

29 posted on 05/12/2013 6:44:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BipolarBob
I wasn't saying anything about any "incorrect day" but rather after Christ's resurrection, early believers chose to worship the Lord on the first day, the day He was resurrected, rather than the seventh day.

As The Lord himself, said, the "Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath."

30 posted on 05/12/2013 6:46:13 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: BipolarBob
What a poor argument.

Just following His words.

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

"Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Mat 18:18

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

31 posted on 05/12/2013 6:50:16 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: zerosix
What is sin? How can we know if we have sinned? Is it by "feelings"? My emotions may betray me. I see a rich man with plenty and I have little, my intellect may tell me it's okay to steal. How can I know it is wrong unless there is a law that clearly states what is permissible and what is not? The first four Commandments (not suggestions) tell me my duty to God. The last six is my duty to man. Satan whispers that these Commandments mean nothing. You decide for you, I'll go by the manual.
32 posted on 05/12/2013 6:52:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3018625/posts?page=7#7

Already answered.


33 posted on 05/12/2013 6:54:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob; svcw

“Perfectly. Do you understand Jesus and His words or only what your church tells you is right?”


I’d be wary in promoting the Sabbath day too heavily, as if it were an obligation for salvation. We are dead to the law and are not bound to its judgments. In Romans 14, we are told to avoid judging one another for seeing one day as holier than another, or judging the one who sees everyday alike. (I think in the original Greek, the meaning is “every day equally holy.” If so, I find that to be the more appropriate Christian position.)


34 posted on 05/12/2013 6:55:29 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: daniel1212

The disciples never met on sunday, except to collect an offering, which was forbidden on the sabbath.

Sunday was always a work day.


35 posted on 05/12/2013 6:56:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BipolarBob

Sow when do you and where do you sacrifice your animals to relive of your sin?
Or do you only beleive what your church says?


36 posted on 05/12/2013 6:58:11 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: narses

The sequence of days of the week have not changed. There is no astrological reason for a seven day week except due to God’s command. We have months set to follow the moon cycle. We have a year to follow a revolution around the sun - thus the 4 seasons.

However, there is no reason for a 7 day week.

It’s fairly easy to see what day is the seventh day - and the Spanish word says it, too - SABADO.

Not Domingo.

God does not change. He wrote it with His own fingers on tablets in the 4th commandment. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.....Weird that we are suppose to follow the other 9 but somehow humanity can change the Fourth?


37 posted on 05/12/2013 6:58:29 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: BipolarBob

My church is the Body of Christ, what is yours?


38 posted on 05/12/2013 6:58:37 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: FatherofFive

You follow your church and their teachings. That is all. The gates of hell prevailed against Peter. He denied his Lord three times. These verses have meanings which do not confirm your denial of the life Christ. Jesus was a Jew. He lived as a Jew. He followed Jewish laws including the Sabbath. Do what you will.


39 posted on 05/12/2013 6:59:04 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: svcw

The sacrificial and ceremonial laws were abolished on the cross. Is that the best you can do?


40 posted on 05/12/2013 7:01:31 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

Oh, I see GRACE not The Law.


41 posted on 05/12/2013 7:02:13 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’d be wary of lightly dismissing Gods Laws. And loosely interpreting verses to support your beliefs. God is sovereign. He makes the rules. Do what you will.


42 posted on 05/12/2013 7:04:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: svcw

You only see what you want to see.


43 posted on 05/12/2013 7:05:20 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: editor-surveyor
The disciples never met on sunday, except to collect an offering, which was forbidden on the sabbath.

That is simply not true, as in fact, nowhere is a NT church shown specifically meeting on the 7th day, nor is the 4th command ever reiterated with the other 9 are, while many times the disciples are shown meeting on the 1st day - incldg. with the Lord. See post 26

44 posted on 05/12/2013 7:07:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BipolarBob

I see Grace, don’t know what you see.


45 posted on 05/12/2013 7:10:34 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: daniel1212
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them,and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
46 posted on 05/12/2013 7:11:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob; verga
The gates of hell prevailed against Peter.

Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, which has stood for over 2,000 years.

Do what you will.

I do what Christ commanded. You should try it. Eat His Body. Drink His Blood. Get eternal life. Found only one place - His Church.

47 posted on 05/12/2013 7:11:47 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: FatherofFive

Other church’s don’t have communion? Are you for real?


48 posted on 05/12/2013 7:14:19 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: zerosix
Most believers worship on “The Lord’s Day” or “Resurrection Day,” not the Seventh Day of the week as was in the beginning, which is the day non-completed Jews still worship.

Well.......this is interesting. What day was the Lord's Day? Did He ever say...........?

[Matthew 12:8]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

He sure wasn't talking about Sunday here....was He?

Now.....what day was the resurrection? Let's look at the Greek:

[Luke 24:1] Τῇ the (dat) δὲ But also μιᾷ one (dat) τῶν the (gen) σαββάτων sabbaths (gen) , ὄρθρου dawn (gen) { βαθέος deep ([Adj] gen) , ἦλθον I-COME-ed, they-COME-ed ἐπὶ upon/over (+acc,+gen,+dat) τὸ the (nom|acc) μνῆμα tomb (nom|acc|voc) ♦ βαθέως ???; deep ([Adj] gen) ἐπὶ upon/over (+acc,+gen,+dat) τὸ the (nom|acc) μνῆμα tomb (nom|acc|voc) ἦλθον I-COME-ed, they-COME-ed } , φέρουσαι while BRING-ing (nom|voc) ἃ who/whom/which (nom|acc) ἡτοίμασαν they-READY-ed ἀρώματα aromatics (nom|acc|voc) , { καί and/also τινες some/any (nom) σὺν together with/including (+dat) αὐταῖς them/same (dat)

Here is the literal translation from Young's:

[Luke 24:1]And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,

When did they arrive at an empty tomb? On the First of the Sabbaths (plural). What does this mean?

Seven sabbaths were to be counted from the Feast of First-fruits or Passover. Consequently, these came to be known as "First Sabbath," "Second Sabbath" etc., down to the seventh. And according to Julian Morgenstern, former President of Hebrew University, this practice continued in Galilee till the time of Christ or the Common Era. It is still observed by some groups in Palestine today. Thus, there was an annual date known as "First Sabbath," just after Passover. [page 230, The Life of Christ in Stereo]

Every single resurrection passage uses the Greek "μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων" to designate the day He arose from the tomb............Saturday the Sabbath, Nisan 30, A.D.

[Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][John 20:1]..........check your lexicons and you'll see that the day of resurrection was on the "First of the Sabbaths" between Passover and Pentecost. There were seven...................[Leviticus 23:15-16].

49 posted on 05/12/2013 7:14:19 PM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: BipolarBob; svcw

“I’d be wary of lightly dismissing Gods Laws. And loosely interpreting verses to support your beliefs. God is sovereign. He makes the rules. Do what you will.”


Romans 14 is the word of God. Same for every other verse which tells us that we are not justified by the law, but by grace.


50 posted on 05/12/2013 7:14:22 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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