4 Truths About Hell Is the doctrine of hell incompatible with the way of Jesus Christ?

The Aquila Report ^ | 4-6-13 | Tom Ascol

[ReformationFan]

Believing the truth about hell also motivates us to persuade people to be reconciled to God. By God’s grace those of us who are trusting Christ have been rescued from this horrible destiny. How can we love people and refuse to speak plainly to them about the realities of eternal damnation and God’s gracious provision of salvation? Clearer visions of hell will give us greater love for both God and people.

“There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ’s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell.” So wrote the agnostic British philosopher Bertrand Russell in 1967. The idea of eternal punishment for sin, he further notes, is “a doctrine that put cruelty in the world and gave the world generations of cruel torture.”

His views are at least more consistent than religious philosopher John Hick, who refers to hell as a “grim fantasy” that is not only “morally revolting” but also “a serious perversion of the Christian Gospel.” Worse yet was theologian Clark Pinnock who, despite having regarded himself as an evangelical, dismissed hell with a rhetorical question: “How can one imagine for a moment that the God who gave His Son to die for sinners because of His great love for them would install a torture chamber somewhere in the new creation in order to subject those who reject Him to everlasting pain?”

So, what should we think of hell? Is the idea of it really responsible for all the cruelty and torture in the world? Is the doctrine of hell incompatible with the way of Jesus Christ? Hardly. In fact, the most prolific teacher of hell in the Bible is Jesus, and He spoke more about it than He did about heaven.

[American Constitutionalist]

" 5) On the other hand, if we reject the salvation God offers us, the salvation He provided for us in Christ Jesus - then we have no hope of salvation because that was it - there is no other lifeboat. "


And that my friends is what the writer of the book of Hebrews is talking about and trying to convey to the reader in Hebrews chapter 10 verse 26 to 31.

The very sin he is talking about is the sin of unbelief.

[American Constitutionalist]

Amen brother...

BINGO DINGO A RINGO !

[American Constitutionalist]

The foreseeing, and foreshaddowing.
So ? those Jewish religious leaders who crucifed Christ have no excuse.
It was in plan sight, but ? in their religion, and preaching the law ? they were made blinded.
Even Jesus told them that they were blind.

John 9:41 : Jesus said unto them, If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, We see; therefore your sin remains.


Those today ? who preach, teach, and live by keeping the law for their salvation ? and justification ? are blind and still remain in their sins.

[Truth2012]

Gehenna is a valley in Jerusalem, where people sacrificed children to Molech , and where they burned garbage. It is pretty clear to me what Jesus was telling us.

[American Constitutionalist]

Jesus was never punished for anything he has done or did.

He chose to take on, he chose to die, he chose to take God's judgement in our place.

[Iscool]

Do you think God greeted him with open arms, saying “Well done, though good and faithful servant!”?

I asked God that question and his response was that we wrongly judge the outward appearance of a person while God rightly judges the person's heart...

[American Constitutionalist]

I do not believe a truely saved, born again christian would do that, to run a business of death.

If they did that ? they either have never been saved, or so far away from God and backslidden and does not care.
You can't blame God or slander God or christians for what some indiviual had or has done while being far away from God or backslidden.

On the other hand ?

If a woman who was a born again christian got pregnant, went ahead and had a abortion, but was convicted and never did it again, God will forgive them.

[American Constitutionalist]

Remember ?

And we all do it, point fingers, it' human nature.

When we point fingers ? God points back at us and ask us what sins do we have in our own closets.

Jesus said, Judge not, least ye be judge, for what measure you judge, you will be judged back in return.

[caww]

Pride gets in the way for all..saved and otherwise. And when God determines to point this out in us...it is a hard pill to swallow when you see Pride is the very root of many of our sins....it’s not always easily detected from our perspective.

P.S. Loved your summary! Ha!

[American Constitutionalist]

Read the latter part of Romans chapter 7 and be comforted my friend.

Paul struggled also, inspite of what some say.
That ? Romans chapter 7 on the latter part was Paul in his unsaved state ?

What ? how could have Paul wrote that when he was unsaved ?

That's crazy thinking.

Any honest speaking christian would tell you that they struggle also.
Your not alone my friend... keep the faith.

The very same people who say that Paul was talking about his unsaved state ?
Are the same people who will go on and tell you that Paul was a false teacher, bla, bla, bla, bla gibberish.

Remember Right Way Right ?

Paul was, and is called by God in Christ Jesus.

The Apostle Paul was Approved of God and by God in Jesus Christ.

He was God's, Jesus Christ's Apostle to the Gentile world and Paul and the rest of the great Apostles had a meeting on that.
They all agreed that Peter would be the Apostle to the House of Israel while Paul would be the great Apostle to the Gentile world.
Even Peter and the rest of the big wig apostles approved of and affirmed the Apostle Paul.
Those who bad mouth the Apostle Paul, his books and letters are the false teachers, they are wolves.

They talk about those, them, those, them, those, them, PAUL, PAUL, PAUL, PAULINESSSSSS " PAULINES CULT " people.

Gibberish....

For God's sakes, even Peter approved of and affirmed Paul.
Yeah, once again, gibberish...


More proof ?

NO ?
Wait ?

Paul mentioned Luke and Mark, who wrote the gosples of: DING DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNER HERE:

NO !
Wait a min !
They LUKE AND MARK ?

They wrote the Gosples of ( Drum roll please )....

The Gosples of LUKE AND MARK !! LOL !!

Yes, even Paul mentioned Luke and Mark in one of his letters to the church.

Therefore ?
Logical thinking and speaking ?

Would not ?
Luke and Mark would have been friends of ?
Brothers in Christ with ?
Contemporarys of the Apostle Paul ?

In one of Pauls letters he even tells one of the people he is writing to to bring some more writing parchments, i.e. for us today, that would be writing papers.

I would be bold enough to go on and say that Paul could have helped both Luke and Mark to write the Gosples of Luke and Mark...

Yeah, sounds so silly now, of those who tell the lie that Paul was a false teacher,
and them ? those, them, those, them, PAUL, PAUL, PAULINESSSSSSSS " PAULINES CULT " people.

Crazy ? isn't it ?


No Right way right ?

Those LAW Preachers ? teachers ? religious folk ? ( not saved, but think they are saved by keeping the law ) who like you to think that the Apostle Paul was a false teacher, and not approved of God ?

They themselves are the wolves and false teachers who's very own agendas is to put lies and fear into the hearts of people and preach and teach the law to make them look good and to control the people, sort of like what a CULT does.

[American Constitutionalist]

Stange thing is ? Edwards preached the same Sermon before in another city and church and no response.

So much for " FREE WILL " ... those reponses from the 2nd city and church was prompted by God.

[caww]

......”Those who are in Christ will stand before the judgement seat of Christ for a inspection.”.....

Well I may differ on that one....God knows already those who are His...and surely our live every moment now and forever more...nothing escapes His eye.

Jesus paid the price ‘Once’....He said..It’s finished....any thing we face will be of reward..not judgement.

[caww]

..........“smell brimstone, and feel the fire licking the floorboards beneath their feet.”.........

That’s what the Republican Party needs to feel!

[American Constitutionalist]

What about those who might have been saved but jumped from the world trade center on 911 ?

Yeah, some would have rather have them die anyway in the fire.

[caww]

Well...that’s rather a stretch.... for Christ gave His life so that WE might have life.... That’s sacrifice not suicide....suicide is one taking his own life for personal reasons...to stop the life given Him...and that’s it.

“There is no pit so deep that He is not deeper still”
-Corey Boon-

[American Constitutionalist]

If there was no Hell ? or Enternal punishment ? then ? would it be logical to say that there would have been no need for Jesus to have come to earth and save us ?

Those who deny hell ? deny the very reason why Jesus came to save us... therefore ? they can go on and deny Jesus Christ... that there is the path that they are going in... one thing leads to another.

[caww]

Good question....

We all know that hell will be seperation from God....which doesn't sound to some like such a big deal,... only because they cannot “see” all God now does for them that they take credit for....or for granted...like the very breath they breath.

I look at it this way...Hell is a place...and while on earth there is constraint on vile and horrible people...in hell there will be little constraint....they'll be running free....think of prisons without bars...and darkness...further no relief ever for the suffering one will experience.....it's a bad place no matter how one defines it....and I don't think we have the ability to truly imagine all it will entail for those who reject Christ.......but I do think they will have the body they have here on earth with a few tweaks perhaps....the rich man in hell attests to bodily suffering..

[ansel12]

I don’t know, but that is another good example as two slightly different questions, what about when the heat and panic suddenly drives them out the window almost without thinking, but more related, would be the people who know what is coming and decide in advance what course of action they will take if their hand is forced (if the flames reach them).

I don’t know the answer, and was hoping someone more involved in the theology of it would give their opinions.

[caww]

If the man came to Christ for forgivenes.....He is saved....but being forgiven does not release us from remembering what we have done....can you imagine the burden this man carries when He thinks of the children he butchered?.....which when he does think of this, will drive him closer to Jesus each and every time.

But once He meets Christ and leaves this world....yes indeed Jesus will meet Him with open arms.

Those who are forgiven much...tend to love Jesus greatly for they realize fully not only their sinfulness, but the power and wonder and love of Christ..and what it cost Him.

[OneWingedShark]

Well...that’s rather a stretch.... for Christ gave His life so that WE might have life.... That’s sacrifice not suicide....suicide is one taking his own life for personal reasons...to stop the life given Him...and that’s it.

Then you would disagree with the definition of 'suicide' as "the intentional/willful ending of one's own life"?

Why?
And what definition would you give?

Dictionary.com definition:
su·i·cide      noun, verb, su·i·cid·ed, su·i·cid·ing.
noun
1. the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. destruction of one's own interests or prospects: Buying that house was financial suicide.
3. a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.
verb (used without object)
4. to commit suicide.
verb (used with object)
5. to kill (oneself).