Skip to comments.African-American Christians waver over vote
Posted on 09/16/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That's a worrisome message for the nation's first African-American president, who can't afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.
The pastors say their congregants are asking how a true Christian could back same-sex marriage, as President Barack Obama did in May. As for Republican Mitt Romney, the first Mormon nominee from a major party, congregants are questioning the theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its former ban on men of African descent in the priesthood....
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Obama supports gay marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth.
Romney opposes both.
There is no way for a self proclaimed “christian” to justify voting for Obama.
I’ll take it, though I would prefer conservative blacks wake up and leave the Dem Party.
Obama not only believes in the gay agenda but has acted on it, even refusing to protect existing law, such as the DOMA.
Romney has personal religious beliefs and Obama acts against the law. Big difference.
Will Black voters choose their party over their God?
It’s time to decide which means more: your skin color or your Lord.
Sounds like these African-American "Christians" aren't thinking this through very well, or else they aren't so "Christian" after all.
To answer your question - YES, they will choose their party over God. Haven’t their voting patterns shown you the answer to this?
The candidate with the fewest number of supporters who just “stay home” for this election will win. We can’t let that be us.
Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That’s a worrisome message for the nation’s first African-American president, who can’t afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.
So Obama’s “base” is a race (black people)? Gee that is not racist at all!
Unfortunately, to many blacks such as Santita Jackson, Obama is the Lord.
Nice qualifiers you applied to Romney there.
I supposed it is a way to justify his positions.
Great statement! AMEN!!!
How about you try dealing in truth and fact from this point forward? How about you try getting over your sour grapes because your candidate of choice did not win the GOP nomination?
Nice try, same old tired boring song...really get something new.
Romney supports abortion - you qualified by making sure you said “not tax payer funded”
Romney supports homosexual unions and adoption - you qualified by making sure you said “marriage”.
No matter how you spin it you added qualifiers.
If they can't forgive the Mormon church for its past sins, how can they consider themselves Christian?
You have been warned repeatedly by Mr. Robinson about brow-beating and harassing conservative freepers by calling them Obama supporters. You run away for a bit and come back again with the same schtick.
svcw is right. Romney has been marketed as "ABO". A lot of people who come to this forum are going to vote for him as just that - ABO. No need to bullshi-ite people by proclaiming that he is pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. He has yet to prove that. Everybody here knows his record.
It's sad to think in about 5 years the black community will be 1/3 the size of the Hispanic community. They lose more political clout with every passing year and then I don't remember the news bulletin from the NAALCP touting about how their numbers are swelling with a huge influx of Hispanics.
Very well just cling to your emotion based ignorance. Anyone who cannot see the fundamental difference between Romney and Obama has simply weld their mind shut and refused to look
Obama favors Gay Marriage and Taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth. He specifically had both positions written into the 2012 Democrat Party platform
Romney opposes both. Sorry Romney is not perfectly pure enough for you but anyone who cannot see the deep fundamental difference between the two is simply NOT looking.
Sorry your candidate of choice did not win the 2012 GOP nomination. Get over it.
No. They are not wavering. They will go for him at 94%. Book it.
His issues statements and the Republican Party platform are both Pro-Life and pro-Traditional Family. If he wavers after being elected president, then we go after him. On the other hand, Mr. Obama will kill a baby that was born alive and feels that everyone should be able to marry. With a second term, I expect him to come out for polygamy and lowering the age of consent. But you go ahead and keep throwing up flak at Gov. Mitt Romney so that Mr. Obama slides into home. My FEMA camp is less than a mile away, so they’ll just march me there instead of sending a truck. Do you know where yours is at?
Yes, but 94% of twenty millions and 94% of fifty millions are two different things. That’s what might happen with the gay marriage flap.
They’ll always be conflicted until they decide what they are — AFRICAN-Americans, or Americans. If someone calls himself African-American, I consider him a racist and not in tune with this country.
Again Romney's RECORD on abortion and gay-marriage are bad. Anyway it is pointless to argue all that at this point. We were not looking for a perfectly pure candidate... just someone who was even moderately conservative. The hyperbole of the "perfect candidate" and "purists" e.t.c are just tired and overused. You are not winning anyone over.
Very well cling to your emotional ignorance and keep propagandizing for Obama
You can explain to God one day your actions. However, you will not be able to claim to him you were not warned about the results of your actions.
Your obnoxious Rombattery is not helping at all with those of us who are going to hold our noses to vote for Romney. Not helping at all. He’s a flawed candidate who wavers a great deal on core conservative issues. Do not invoke the name of God in condemnation of anyone who recognizes this fact. You have no idea how badly this comes across.
What is emotional ignorance?... calling a spade a spade? Romney is the candidate to go up against BO. He is a lot better that BO. However, lets not attribute qualities to him that he has not earned yet.
I think many of them will in fact stay away from the voting booths. That’s going to hurt Obama.
Black "chrstians" are followers of Martin Luther King Jr. and unorthodox liberal Protestant who rejected many orthodox chrstian tenets of belief and accepted all the liberal "higher criticism" of the Bible. How many of the rest of the Black clergy do as well?
By rejecting the importance of super-rational taboos in favor of a purely rational morality, the Black Church has shown itself not African at all, but a continuation of the eighteenth century European "enlightenment." So much for their alleged opposition to "western civilization!"
If Hilter and Stalin were up in an election against each other, I’d vote to replace the one in power. Constant turnover is the only way to keep either from becoming too powerful.
Anyway, you can disagree with me... we will just agree to disagree. I am not going to argue with you, as you're are one of my Palin friends. :-)
Its time to decide which means more: your skin color or your Lord.
Ive never had any love for Governor Romney, but when the choice comes down to either him or Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, a man dead-set on destroying my country, the country of my birth and whose uniform I proudly wore, there is no contest. And that is the choice. No third party or write-in candidate is going to be sworn in next January.
Ill take it, though I would prefer conservative blacks wake up and leave the Dem Party.
I compare it to having a choice between Hubert Humphrey and Joseph Stalin. Both are “left-of-center” but anyone with a brain can see which one is preferable.
Imho, Obama hates and seeks to destroy our country. Romney, while flawed, is an American.
I do agree with your post there.
I don’t see what your two posts have to do with my observations about the Black church. Perhaps they were addressed to me as a mistake?
These folks need to be reminded that there is no religious test for holding public office in the USA.
There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney (NONE of which outweigh the fact that he is not Obama, btw), but the fact he is a Mormon isn’t one of them.
Even Obama’s despicable faux Christian religious views do not actually disqualify him (although were he a Republican or even a white Democrat they would have), his communist beliefs do.
I was adding my $0.2 to aimhigh’s analogy and he/she had addressed it to you.
Nice deflections. I am applauding you.
How 2nd, do we “go after him” after the election when there are people who are blind to him now?
Will we hear, can’t do that now the mid terms are coming up
Will we hear, can’t do that now the election is coming up
My fear is that rabid supporters of Romney now, will be who they are now, berating and eviscerating anyone who challenges Romney’s action.
No problem, sis.
You’re probably right.
There’s also the effect of the high numbers of black middle class and up who work for the gov’t. They’re going to vote for the party of more gov’t every time.
Stupid advice by these black clergy to “stay home” on election day based on bad presidential candidates. Even if one is thoroughly disgusted by either presidential candidate (as I am,) there is still the congressional races that are pivotal. And in 4 states, marriage hangs in the balance.
Again, stupid, stupid advice.
Perhaps you should review your understanding of the Constitution. The Constitution limits the powers of the government. The pertinent part of Article VI:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Why was this necessary? Because so many of the original thirteen state were established as religious enclaves for persecuted Christians in Europe. Article VI forbid states from requiring office holders to be of the official state religion, for example, you didn't have to be Catholic in Maryland, Presbyterian in Massachusetts, or Episcopalian in Virginia to hold office. Remember that there were official state religions at the time the U.S. Constitution was drafted.
There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney (NONE of which outweigh the fact that he is not Obama, btw), but the fact he is a Mormon isnt one of them.
An individual can use any reason he or she wants. The Constitution has no limit on how the individual makes that choice.
I agree that there are lots of good reasons not to vote for Mitt and I don't intend to vote for him. While I am opposed to Mormonism, I wouldn't vote for Mitt if he sincerely came to Christ tomorrow. His Mormonism isn't the reason I'm not supporting Romney - it is his politics.
I don’t think we disagree on anything, aside from the voting for Romney part.
I apologize if I read something into your comment that wasn't there.
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