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Liberty's champion: On his 500th birthday, two cheers for John Calvin
WORLD Magazine ^ | July 04, 2009 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 06/19/2009 7:09:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: MarkBsnr

Calvin also invented jello, abdominal surgery and the electric blender.

Donchaknow...


61 posted on 06/20/2009 12:37:14 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

The Gospel according to Petronski?


62 posted on 06/20/2009 12:37:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

No such thing.


63 posted on 06/20/2009 12:37:57 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

***Calvin also invented jello, abdominal surgery and the electric blender.***

A fine man, especially with the blender on ‘puree’.


64 posted on 06/20/2009 12:46:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

He perfected the stern rudder, made the first paper from wood pulp and perfected ammonia-based air conditioning.

Oh, and if there were any justice in this world, we would know Lobster Thermidor as, you guessed it, Lobster Cauvinique.


65 posted on 06/20/2009 12:49:21 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: trisham

***Gasp! ***

That is precisely the same reaction our Calvinist comrades and their Pentecostal cheering section have when presented with the Gospels. The message of Jesus is rather clear; I find it interesting that so many would only take a portion of it and construct their own theology from that portion.


66 posted on 06/20/2009 12:49:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Petronski
Calvin also invented jello, abdominal surgery and the electric blender.

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I believe he also invented the hula hoop, but that was a number of years ago.

67 posted on 06/20/2009 12:50:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Heh. I find it more baffling than interesting.
68 posted on 06/20/2009 12:51:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petronski

***He perfected the stern rudder, made the first paper from wood pulp and perfected ammonia-based air conditioning.***

So he had a cool head and could read directions while steering the ship from his behind? Remarkable man. I’m surprised that he didn’t set his sights further than the good burghers of Geneva. He might have made it to, gasp, Berne.

***Oh, and if there were any justice in this world, we would know Lobster Thermidor as, you guessed it, Lobster Cauvinique.***

I prefer my lobster in New Glasgow, Prince Edward Island - the best lobster that I’ve ever had anywhere in the world over nearly two decades. Since PEI is largely Catholic, justice is not served. Little Johnny Calvin needs to stamp his little feet.


69 posted on 06/20/2009 12:54:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: trisham

***I believe he also invented the hula hoop, but that was a number of years ago.***

I’d rather not picture Calvin in a little grass skirt.


70 posted on 06/20/2009 12:54:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Why not? It might be an improvement.


71 posted on 06/20/2009 12:56:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

***Heh. I find it more baffling than interesting.***

I think that it has a lot to do with pride and hubris. And the association of one with a socially elevated group.

The Calvinists associate themselves with God, identifying themselves as the elite and therefore they are better than anyone else. These lickspittle Pentecostals are associating themselves with the Calvinists hoping that their association with them will somehow bring them elevated status as well.


72 posted on 06/20/2009 12:57:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I confess I know little about this group, other than the hula hoop factoid.

We Catholics tend to be humble, as we are all too aware of our shortcomings.

73 posted on 06/20/2009 1:01:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

***Why not? It might be an improvement.***

Don’t look; I beg of you...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/60/183829780_dc5bb59ee3_o.jpg


74 posted on 06/20/2009 1:04:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: trisham

***We Catholics tend to be humble, as we are all too aware of our shortcomings.***

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!

Jesus tells us to pray constantly. Our schismatic friends tell us that they are above that.


75 posted on 06/20/2009 1:07:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
So, the god you believe in sends "some" mentally retarded to hell?

What precisely is your criteria for going to heaven? Mine is you must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved. I didn't know the Bible came with exclusions and waivers.

There is NOTHING from God that was not created for love. Nothing! That God hates nothing by Saint Thomas Aquinas...it is impossible for Him to hate anything.

It's not that God hate us. Rather WE hate God. The WAGES of sin is death. God would not be just if He did not give us our due wages and those wages are death and hell-something that we work for. There is no one that seeks to do His pleasure. God's wrath waits for those who hate Him, not because He hates us.

Therefore God wills the good of everything, and hates nothing.

No, all things works together for good for THOSE WHO LOVE THE LORD JESUS. God rains equally on the just and unjust, but He only makes the trials turn to good for who love His Son.

Some things however God is said, to hate figuratively (similitudinarie), and that in two ways. The first way is this, that God, in loving things and willing their good to be, wills their evil not to be: hence He is said to have hatred of evils, for the things we wish not to be we are said to hate.

With all due respect, it seems St. Tom got wrapped around the axle on this. What gobbledygook. If God willed "their evil not to be" then it would be so. There wouldn't be any evil. But we know this isn't so. There is also NOTHING figuratively about the Lake of Fire or the burning HELL that awaits those who do not believe in His Son. I wonder how St. Tom would square that one.

The truth of the matter is that mankind starting from Adam, showed a desire to hate the things of God. This has progressively gotten worst over the centuries. We are simply evil, wicked, stiff-necked people that God has decided to show mercy. If we could but understand how much God tolerate us, then we would probably be a little more humble.

76 posted on 06/20/2009 1:28:38 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

So a child too mentally retarded to form a belief in Christ goes to hell? Is that your belief?


77 posted on 06/20/2009 1:44:26 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: HarleyD
“”If God willed “their evil not to be” then it would be so. There wouldn't be any evil.””

Evil cannot be a first cause of God because God wills everything good,dear brother.

Evil is a defect from perfection,thus if God willed evil to exist it would part of God's essence and first cause,thus God would have evil in Him and therefore would not be perfect.

Evil can only enter the world by God giving us a free will

That God cannot will Evil By Saint Thomas Aquinas

EVERY act of God is an act of virtue, since His virtue is His essence (Chap. XCII).

2. The will cannot will evil except by some error coming to be in the reason, at least in the matter of the particular choice there and then made. For as the object of the will is good, apprehended as such, the will cannot tend to evil unless evil be somehow proposed to it as good; and that cannot be without error.* But in the divine cognition there can be no error . 3. God is the sovereign good, admitting no intermixture of evil . 4. Evil cannot befall the will except by its being turned away from its end. But the divine will cannot be turned away from its end, being unable to will except by willing itself . It cannot therefore will evil; and thus free will in it is naturally established in good. This is the meaning of the texts: God is faithful and without iniquity (Deut. xxxii, 4); Thine eyes are clean, O Lord, and thou canst not look upon iniquity (Habi, 13).

78 posted on 06/20/2009 1:47:42 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Petronski
It is not my place to judge. At least that is what the scriptures state.

Please note, I also will not state who went to heaven. And how do you know?

79 posted on 06/20/2009 2:10:00 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

I don’t know.

But I’m not the one who is trying to say somehow that God might send retarded children to hell because they have not done something the cannot do.


80 posted on 06/20/2009 2:12:45 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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