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Liberty's champion: On his 500th birthday, two cheers for John Calvin
WORLD Magazine ^ | July 04, 2009 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 06/19/2009 7:09:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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Calvin also opposed doctrines that deprive us of political liberty. His understandings—that God-given laws are superior to those of the state, the king, and any other institution, and that individuals have direct access to the Bible, without dependence on pope or priest—are common now, but compare them to the political and theological theories fashionable before his time. In ancient times, pagan states revered leaders as semi-divine. Those who argued with such bosses were seen as deserving death. In medieval times, the interpretations of church officials often trumped the words of the Bible itself (which few people could read). They identified God's kingdom on earth with a church monopoly, and hanged, burned, or decapitated some with other ideas.

1 posted on 06/19/2009 7:09:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

But the real question... would Calvin have played a Les Paul or a Strat?


2 posted on 06/19/2009 7:12:13 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; blue-duncan; Frumanchu; Gamecock

A great day for a barbecue!

:-)


3 posted on 06/19/2009 7:13:04 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: Alex Murphy

Calvin. An interesting person who, according to his own philosophy, may or may not have been elect.


4 posted on 06/19/2009 7:21:44 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Corin Stormhands

Speaking of barbecues, Miguel Servet (Servetus) is not available for comment.


5 posted on 06/19/2009 7:42:15 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Alex Murphy
Calvin also opposed doctrines that deprive us of political liberty.

But Calvin promulgated doctrines that would deprive us of spiritual liberty. He taught that God predestined part of mankind to a) sin and b) go to hell.

I won't be baking him a cake.

6 posted on 06/19/2009 7:43:53 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra; Larry Lucido; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; ...
But Calvin promulgated doctrines that would deprive us of spiritual liberty.

C'mon folks. I'm no Calvinist. But there is much we can learn from John Calvin. Whether you agree with him or not you cannot discount his very significant and very positive impact on Christianity and, for that matter, on the founding of this nation.

7 posted on 06/19/2009 7:52:49 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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8 posted on 06/19/2009 8:27:33 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: agere_contra

“He taught that God predestined part of mankind to a) sin and b) go to hell.”

Do you know of anyone God predestined to go to hell?


9 posted on 06/19/2009 8:45:04 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
Do you know of anyone God predestined to go to hell?

Interesting question. Why would it matter? If someone were of the elect then they would be not damned if they did or not damned if they didn't. Why would a person need to worry about it one way or another?
10 posted on 06/19/2009 8:50:20 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: agere_contra
But Calvin promulgated doctrines that would deprive us of spiritual liberty. He taught that God predestined part of mankind to a) sin and b) go to hell.

Calvin reminded us that all spiritual liberty is a gift from God. Calvin reminded us that Rome had it wrong and that an individual's conscience, either renewed by the Holy Spirit, or left to its own craven desires, is what determines a man's salvation.

11 posted on 06/19/2009 9:00:31 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy; Corin Stormhands; AD from SpringBay; agere_contra; Dr.Deth; Verginius Rufus; ...
Happy Birthday to a fellow saint among saints, saints!

JOHN CALVIN
THE FATHER OF AMERICA

"Very few people today realize that our country was founded on the theology of John Calvin, the Protestant Reformation's greatest leader and organizer, who lived from 1509-1564. Calvin provided our founding fathers with a working model for the separation and co-operation of Church and State. For this and many other reasons many historians have called John Calvin the virtual founder of America. George Bancroft, an American historian, calls Calvin ‘the father of America,’ and adds, ‘He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty.’ It is a fact that many of the Pilgrims were Calvinists. Pastor John Robinson, the leader of the Pilgrims, was a Calvinist. The Puritans, who came after the Pilgrims, and who formed the great bulk of the settlers in New England, were Calvinists. John Endicott, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony; John Winthrop, the second governor of that Colony; Thomas Hooker, the founder of Connecticut; and John Davenport, the founder of the New Haven Colony, were all Calvinists. It is estimated that at the time of the American Revolution, two-thirds of the colonial population had been trained in the theology of Calvin. More than one-half of all the soldiers and officers of the American Army during the Revolution were Calvinists. All of the colonels of the Colonial Army except one were Presbyterian elders. The war for Independence was spoken of in England as “The Presbyterian Rebellion.” Certainly, it is worthwhile for every American to know what John Calvin taught..."

12 posted on 06/19/2009 9:11:43 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Woo Hoo!!! Happy birthday to Mr. Calvin.


13 posted on 06/19/2009 9:14:00 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Alex Murphy

Although I am doctrinally a “Calvinist”, Calvin himself did not want to extend religious freedom to others.


14 posted on 06/19/2009 9:17:59 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you so much for the article! And Happy Birthday, John Calvin!


15 posted on 06/19/2009 9:34:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: agere_contra
He taught that God predestined part of mankind to a) sin and b) go to hell.

I won't be baking him a cake.

Where in his writings did Calvin ever teach that God's decree to permit the fall affected, excepting Jesus Christ, only part of mankind?

Cordially,

16 posted on 06/19/2009 9:55:24 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Verginius Rufus

LOL True. He’s just toasty now.


17 posted on 06/19/2009 10:34:21 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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Calvin provided our founding fathers with a working model for the separation and co-operation of Church and State.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." Part of the First Amendment which lead to the phrase “separation of church and state.”

Unfortunately, in an effort to not lose their tax exempt status (a Congressional law that now voluntarily shackles free exercise); Christian churches have so separated themselves from speaking about state matters that they have become marginalized. Meanwhile the State, ironically, is fast becoming “the church.”

18 posted on 06/19/2009 10:45:41 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (What is coming next?)
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Christian churches have so separated themselves from speaking about state matters that they have become marginalized.

Liberal churches and black churches are exempt.

Meanwhile the State, ironically, is fast becoming “the church.”

That happened a long time ago. The secular church-state has been awaiting their Messiah. Obama is now the Messiah of the Statist.

19 posted on 06/19/2009 10:51:23 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Obama is now the Messiah of the Statist

True.

I do pray for him. My prayer is that he will not be martyred. I often pray that he stays out of the rain. It is my understanding that turkeys, like him, who turn their heads up in the rain sometimes drown.

20 posted on 06/19/2009 11:05:09 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (What is coming next?)
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