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To: stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
So, the god you believe in sends "some" mentally retarded to hell?

What precisely is your criteria for going to heaven? Mine is you must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved. I didn't know the Bible came with exclusions and waivers.

There is NOTHING from God that was not created for love. Nothing! That God hates nothing by Saint Thomas Aquinas...it is impossible for Him to hate anything.

It's not that God hate us. Rather WE hate God. The WAGES of sin is death. God would not be just if He did not give us our due wages and those wages are death and hell-something that we work for. There is no one that seeks to do His pleasure. God's wrath waits for those who hate Him, not because He hates us.

Therefore God wills the good of everything, and hates nothing.

No, all things works together for good for THOSE WHO LOVE THE LORD JESUS. God rains equally on the just and unjust, but He only makes the trials turn to good for who love His Son.

Some things however God is said, to hate figuratively (similitudinarie), and that in two ways. The first way is this, that God, in loving things and willing their good to be, wills their evil not to be: hence He is said to have hatred of evils, for the things we wish not to be we are said to hate.

With all due respect, it seems St. Tom got wrapped around the axle on this. What gobbledygook. If God willed "their evil not to be" then it would be so. There wouldn't be any evil. But we know this isn't so. There is also NOTHING figuratively about the Lake of Fire or the burning HELL that awaits those who do not believe in His Son. I wonder how St. Tom would square that one.

The truth of the matter is that mankind starting from Adam, showed a desire to hate the things of God. This has progressively gotten worst over the centuries. We are simply evil, wicked, stiff-necked people that God has decided to show mercy. If we could but understand how much God tolerate us, then we would probably be a little more humble.

76 posted on 06/20/2009 1:28:38 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

So a child too mentally retarded to form a belief in Christ goes to hell? Is that your belief?


77 posted on 06/20/2009 1:44:26 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: HarleyD
“”If God willed “their evil not to be” then it would be so. There wouldn't be any evil.””

Evil cannot be a first cause of God because God wills everything good,dear brother.

Evil is a defect from perfection,thus if God willed evil to exist it would part of God's essence and first cause,thus God would have evil in Him and therefore would not be perfect.

Evil can only enter the world by God giving us a free will

That God cannot will Evil By Saint Thomas Aquinas

EVERY act of God is an act of virtue, since His virtue is His essence (Chap. XCII).

2. The will cannot will evil except by some error coming to be in the reason, at least in the matter of the particular choice there and then made. For as the object of the will is good, apprehended as such, the will cannot tend to evil unless evil be somehow proposed to it as good; and that cannot be without error.* But in the divine cognition there can be no error . 3. God is the sovereign good, admitting no intermixture of evil . 4. Evil cannot befall the will except by its being turned away from its end. But the divine will cannot be turned away from its end, being unable to will except by willing itself . It cannot therefore will evil; and thus free will in it is naturally established in good. This is the meaning of the texts: God is faithful and without iniquity (Deut. xxxii, 4); Thine eyes are clean, O Lord, and thou canst not look upon iniquity (Habi, 13).

78 posted on 06/20/2009 1:47:42 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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