Posted on 07/27/2006 12:06:07 PM PDT by NYer
Been many moons since I was concerned about diagramming sentences...
Actually, the text doesn't allow this interpretation. "God" is in the genitive case, but "pillar" and "ground" are in the nominative:
Although I don't disagree that God is genitive, I'd say it's pretty difficult to determine from the sentence structure where pillar and ground fit in...
If after God there was no comma, but an 'and', an 'or', or even a 'but', I can see where pillar and ground could be nominative...But there is a comma...
You may say that the 'original' doesn't have a comma...But I'd like to point out that without a comma, the sentence wouldn't be much of a sentence...AND, the Douay-Rheims bible, copied from the Vulgate has the exact wording and comma as the KJV...
In conclusion, I'd say the answer lies in the rest of the scripture...And I'd also says it's pretty conclusive that Jesus Christ is the 'ground' (the Chief Cornerstone, the Foundation,) of the church...That makes God the 'pillar' (stulos- a post (style), that is, (figuratively) support: - pillar.)...
You need to learn what private interpretation is...I didn't see any interpretation...It's call believing what you read while comparing scripture with scripture...
What is this, Judaizer propaganda? Yours is an extremely minority opinion, both inside the Catholic Church and outside.
Balderdash!
Acts 20:7 is describing a Havdalah (after the Sabbath) meal. If you notice Paul is speaking until midnight which would be the first part of the first day of the week....having begun at sundown. He is expecting to leave the next morning (Sunday) a normal work and travel day. Acts 20:7 This says nothing about a religious service.....it is a meal!
1 Corinthians 16:2
This is a collection for the poor in Jerusalem. See Romans 15:25 and Acts 11:28-30. This is not in any way shape or form a religious service.
Colossians 2:16
See post #20.
Revelation 1:10
What in the world does this have to do with Sunday? The Lord's day was nothing more than the Apostle John being brought forward in vision to Joel 2:31," The Terrible Day of The Lord." Remember, John was in the spirit [Revelation 4:2]....not sitting on the beach at Patmos some Sunday morning!
From The Didache
This is not scripture....it is tradition. That is the main problem with your Magesterium....it is mostly human tradition.
Explain Matthew 28:1 to me, convincing me that our Saviour did not rise on Sabbath afternoon about sundown. I realize that you cannot do this as it destroys your entire theology. You also cannot show me a specific command by Jesus or the Apostles to ignore the Sabbath and celebrate "The Day of the Sun."
Man, you're arrogant.
And they disagreed with... whom? Luther said when they disagree with me that is the same as disagreeing with the Holy Ghost. There are many Luthers.
I agree that He didn't abolish the Ten Commandments and all the moral laws, but I disagree that we are still under bondage of the Mosaic laws. Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and we are only under His law.
Galatians 3:9-14
Consequently, those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham who had faith.
For all who depend on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not persevere in doing all the things written in the book of the law."
And that no one is justified before God by the law is clear, for "the one who is righteous by faith will live."
But the law does not depend on faith; rather, "the one who does these things will live by them."
Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree,"
that the blessing of Abraham might be extended to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
I think that is patently obvious there is now a new law and that law is Christ that we are under.
I don't evade anything. I don't kill Christians for being deceived....would you? Pay special attention to verse 13.
But you are going against the law! The Lord commanded the Israelites to put to death a man who collected sticks on the Sabbath. See Numbers 15:32. What good is the law if you're going to make exceptions to the rule? Which one of you Saturday Sabbath keepers is going to come forward and stone us Sunday worshiping Christians?
Well, I can answer your dilemma for you. It's right in the book of Hosea 2:11
And I will cause all her mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times.
Here we come full circle to what St. Paul was saying that those things were shadows. And... Hosea 2:20
"And I will espouse thee to me in faith: and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
Now, why don't you explain to me why your Magesterium cannot understand the simple language of Matthew 28:1?
Oh they understand it my friend. Their magesterial ancestors were living it!
Matthew 24:5.....If you are betting on the majority you are betting on the wrong horse! Many shall come and lead many astray!
Can you explain the very clear language of Matthew 28:1?
Our Lord and St. Paul are speaking against the tradition of the Pharisees, and Paul specifically against the notion that non-Jews must accept the law.
I notice you did not include the Magesterium in that grouping. Step in the right direction!
Your job is to tell where I am wrong. You need to quote chapter and verse. If that is not possible for you to do... we cannot lower our discussion to this level. I'm sorry you feel that way.
Where did he tell us to ignore the Sabbath? Where is the Biblical command to honor Sunday?
The Lord commanded the Israelites to put to death a man who collected sticks on the Sabbath. See Numbers 15:32
There is currently not a "Nation of Israel" under the direct Law of God. There was at that time. There will be again, I'm sure. In the meantime I will obey the commandment not to kill..... as should you.
I can answer your dilemma for you. It's right in the book of Hosea 2:11
I guess you don't understand that the Lord has given Israel a bill of divorce here and these actions are intended to be a punishment.
How come no one can tell me why the Magesterium cannot properly interpret the plain language of Matthew 28:1?
Neither the Greek, nor the Vulgate for that matter, has commas (or even spaces for that matter). Punctuation wasn't invented yet.
From your comments you appear to be unfamiliar with the nature of the Greek language. In Greek (also in Latin), nouns are "declined" according to their case: they actually change in form. For instance, "theou" is the genitive form of "theos," God. Likewise, "ekklesia" (church) is a nominative, and so are "stulos" and "hedraio^ma." (pillar and foundation) If they weren't nominatives, but rather genitives agreeing with "theou," they'd have a different word-form.
AND, the Douay-Rheims bible, copied from the Vulgate has the exact wording and comma as the KJV...
Rheims note/commentary on 1 Tim. 3:15:
15 "The pillar and ground of the truth"... Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.
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