Posted on 01/28/2024 1:10:41 PM PST by rey
Evan Neumann, charged with felonies for assaulting police officers during the riot, spoke to a Press Democrat reporter by phone from Belarus. He has been living in that country, an ally of Russia, since August 2021, when he fled across the border from Ukraine. Belarus granted him political asylum in early 2022
While his convictions about the 2020 election haven’t changed much, Evan Neumann says that if he could do it again he would not have traveled to Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, 2021, to protest Congress’ ratification of the vote.
Neumann still questions whether the election was fairly tabulated, despite the lack of any official or legal finding to the contrary. And, echoing conspiracies that have proliferated on the right, he suggests the crowd at the U.S. Capitol during the ensuing riot could have been salted with provocateurs who urged on the violence. Or, that the day was a “honey pot” operation, where law enforcement allowed crimes to be committed so they could punish the perpetrators later.
Three years later, Neumann is isolated from his family, wanted by the FBI and trying to build a new life in Eastern Europe. He misses his children, two young teenagers still in California, and he is unsure how to bring them over for a visit at this point.
“If I had some kind of a crystal ball to see the future, then I wouldn't have gone,” Neumann said. “But I never predicted this.”
Neumann spoke to a Press Democrat reporter by phone from Belarus. He has been living in that country, an ally of Russia, since August 2021, when he fled across the border from Ukraine. Belarus granted him political asylum, with media fanfare, in early 2022.
Neumann, 51, is charged with 14 crimes including “assaulting, resisting or impeding officers.” According to his indictment, Neumann assaulted four police officers over the course of the day with both his fists and by picking up a metal barricade and ramming it into a line of police.
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With little belief that the charges against him will be dropped, and no apparent interest in coming home to face the justice system, he is settling in for the long haul in Brest, a city of cobblestone streets and Old World charm.
The former Santa Rosa hotelier — from 1996 to 2000, Neumann was general manager of the iconic Hotel La Rose in Railroad Square, then owned by his parents — is working to open a restaurant. It will serve American cuisine, Neumann said, but will be more upscale than hamburgers.
Neumann denies that he assaulted any officers and says the evidence against him is based off still photographs taken from videos without context. He said a photograph of his fist appearing to strike an officer is of his non-dominant hand and could have been an attempt by him to ward off pepper spray or stop himself from falling. While he gripped the barricade and it did move toward police, Neumann maintained it was a result of movement down the line of fence and that he did not use it as a battering ram.
According to his indictment, largely based on body camera footage, Neumann called police officers “little b-----s,” who “kneel to antifa” and said to one officer, “I’m willing to die. Are you?”
But, “I know that my frame of mind was of nonviolence and passive resistance,” Neumann told The Press Democrat.
Still, he has no intention of coming home and defending himself in the federal courthouse in Washington, D.C., where more than 900 participants in the riot have pleaded guilty or been convicted of federal crimes so far.
“I would be found guilty regardless,” Neumann said. “There's a lot of a lot of people who have strong political views in Washington, D.C., and they're very anti-Trump and anti-Trump supporters. And so it doesn't matter really what the charges would be. I would not get a fair trial there.”
Neumann considers the effort to prosecute participants in the Jan. 6 riot politically motivated. The event was a protest, like others he has attended — he says he was present during the massive pro-democracy protests in Ukraine in the early 2000s.
And politics aside, Neumann notes, federal prosecutors aren’t often in the habit of dropping charges, once they’ve brought a case. He does not know what, if any, new charges he may have accumulated by evading justice and taking political asylum, he said.
Neumann does want the FBI to drop the “armed and dangerous” label from his fugitive status though. Though he owned a shotgun and pistol in the U.S., he did not bring them to D.C. (he flew) and has no guns abroad, he said. Neumann fears the label could lead law enforcement to shoot first and ask questions later, if they ever caught up to him.
A new life
If the restaurant works, it won’t be Neumann’s first success as an entrepreneur. He has sold a software program for hotel reservation data, amid other business successes — he sold a house in Mill Valley for $1.3 million after leaving the country, according to a Press Democrat profile from December 2021.
Neumann left the country for Italy a month after the riot. He says he was not fleeing at that point, but was on a business trip to check on the production of a line of purses. But he also conceded that “multiple factors” went into the decision to travel abroad at that point. If Neumann didn’t know the mounting legal trouble he faced when he booked his flight, he certainly knew after he was questioned, but released, by FBI agents at San Francisco International Airport.
From Italy, Neumann traveled to Ukraine, where he said he went to work for a stone quarry making sales into the American market. He fled that country on foot in August 2021, he said, after fearing he was to be arrested ahead of a summit between Ukrainian and U.S. officials. Neumann says he was followed, barely escaped arrest and feared being a bargaining chip as Ukraine sought American weapons — all claims The Press Democrat was unable to confirm.
There’s reason to question Neumann’s belief that he avoided an unbearable prison sentence through flight abroad. He doesn’t think he would plead guilty in court, he said, “and even if I did, that would be decades in prison. And I'll be honest, I don't think I would survive decades in prison. I’m not that personality.”
Only a handful of the insurrection's most prominent leaders have faced long sentences, even after being convicted of seditious conspiracy and plotting for months to disrupt Congress.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the far-right militia movement the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 18 years in prison and three years of supervised probation for seditious conspiracy and other crimes. Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the former leader of the possibly even more violent Proud Boys, received 22 years for seditious conspiracy, perhaps the longest sentence.
Peter Schwartz, a Kentucky man who threw a chair at police officers and sprayed them with pepper spray, was sentenced to 14 years in prison. But Schwartz’s criminal record included 38 other convictions. Other rioters charged with assaulting officers have received sentences of less than five years.
Neumann has past convictions but nothing to the tune of Schwartz’s rap sheet. In 2007, Neumann was convicted on one count of illegal marijuana possession. In October 2017, after the Tubbs Fire destroyed his parents’ Fountaingrove home, Neumann and his brother were arrested when they crossed a National Guard barricade in an attempt to search the remains. He pleaded out to a misdemeanor and received two years of probation.
The average sentence for people who pleaded guilty to felonies in the 2021 insurrection has been around 2.5 years, according to data reported in The Washington Post, while the average sentence for those convicted at trial has been around five years.
Jonathan Lewis, a researcher at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism who has been tracking the fallout from Jan. 6, said Neumann appears to be rationalizing his own behavior.
“He basically doesn’t want to go (to prison), which, super fair, but call it what it is,” Lewis said.
There are “certainly a lot of very fair conversations” that can be had about federal prosecutors’ charging decisions, Lewis said. But Neumann’s suggestions that the event was a trap or the prosecutions are intended to harm Trump’s political movement is in itself a belief with political motivations, he said, and one echoing right-wing media.
“For the vast majority of Jan. 6 defendants, especially those who are fugitives and on the run, there is a self-interest in seeing the justice system delegitimized,” Lewis said.
Neumann, Lewis said, “has to reject the very nature of everything that happened.”
The Belarus resident is in fact one of few fugitives left out of the Jan. 6 cases, and probably the only one who has received political asylum in another country, Lewis said.
Neumann is right, according to Lewis, not to expect the federal government to back off his case, at least under the current administration.
“The Department of Justice has shown a commitment to executing this stated mission of holding accountable every single individual who committed criminal activity on Jan. 6 at the U.S. Capitol,“ Lewis said.
Most Americans consider the sentences for Jan. 6 rioters fair. Even most Republicans — 55%, according to a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll — believe the legal penalties for people charged with crimes for assaulting officers or breaching the Capitol are fair or “not harsh enough.” They share that view with 70% of independent voters and 90% of Democrats.
But the same poll indicated that many Americans, Republicans in particular, also say the nation’s leaders have made too much out of the riot and that it’s time to move on. Seventy percent of Republicans take that view, according to the poll, though the majority of Democrats and independent voters do not.
That division nods toward what Neumann sees as the one clear, prison-free route in which he could return the United States, something he says he very much wants to do: “Missing my children’s teenage years is very hard,” he said.
His best hope, he believes, is that Donald Trump is elected in November and, after his inauguration, makes good on his stump speech suggestions of pardoning everyone charged with crimes over storming the Capitol. But even Neumann, who wouldn’t be in exile if he didn’t entertain Trump’s false claims that the election was rigged, doesn’t put too much stock in the possibility of sweeping pardons.
“Trump is Trump,” Neumann said. “He may say something today and decide that it's not convenient tomorrow.”
Neumann puts the chances of the charges against him being dropped at about 25%, he said. “50-50 that Trump can get elected and then 50-50 that he can get amnesty,” he said.
He tries not to dwell too often on his decision to travel to D.C. in January 2021.
“That only causes depression,” he said. “I think about my future, my business. … I like the idea of bringing some nice food to the people of Belarus.”
Now that he has refugee papers, Neumann is free to move about the country and abroad, he said, though he has not left Belarus out of concern of being arrested and extradited. He likes Brest, he said, the city he waited in while his asylum processed, and has chosen to stay there.
The region is a food-producing one with beef ranching and forests full of wild berries like huckleberries as well as chanterelles, Neumann said.
There are no vineyards, he said, but with its natural and agricultural bounties, ”it’s a little bit like Sonoma County.“
All the comments at the site are negative.
He misses his children, two young teenagers still in California, and he is unsure how to bring them over for a visit at this point.
I cannot see a legal reason his kids would be forbidden travel to see him. They have committed no crime and should be free to travel anywhere any other American can.
But DC has the ethos of the SS or NKVD these days. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sodom on the Potomac deny them passports or something. Hard to blame a guy in his 50s not wanting to spend twenty years in solitary for such a trivial offense. You only get one life...
Glad he got away.
Sounds like he’s building a new life in exile.
“..it doesn’t matter really what the charges would be. I would not get a fair trial there.”
This is our “new” Amerika.
He was 48 when that happened, old enough to have impulse control. Did he do these things? The vast majority of people there did NOT do these kinds of things. If he did them, I don't have any sympathy for him. He maintains they brought charges based on screen captures that don't give correct context. Perhaps that is true, and is not outside the scope.
I thought Antifa scumbags should have been charged when THEY did these things, and I consistently think we should all be held to the same standard, even though we are NOT.
If Trump is elected, there is no doubt he will issue pardons, but I can guarantee, they won't be blanket pardons. And Trump will have people tasked with making recommendations from video. If his video shows the charges are spurious as he asserts, he may get a pardon. If the video shows otherwise, he won't.
“despite the lack of any official or legal finding to the contrary”
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One day, neighbors and I watched a tornado go down a street, lifting a rooftop and incredibly, completely removing every metal chimney duct work (top to bottom) - from a row of similar three-story apartment structures.
But somebody in government and weather, did not see it. So, “no tornado.”
The other incredible part of the story, is that everything that the tornado yanked out of the structures plus the roof plus tree parts . . .
. . . all landed without hitting people and many vehicles that were parked here and there.
And then, the young couple who had been resting on their bed when the tornado took the roof over their heads, showed up to describe their point of view.
The Island of collected debris, lasted a long time, while the insurance companies, government, and owners wrangled.
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PS I spent much of the afternoon, clearing away the leaves from street drains - the leaves and branches ripped from the trees. All the drains were blocked, and the area, swamped.
The article is extremely biased. As I recall, Rhodes wasn't even at the event.
Good argument.
If President Trump does pardon the public ought to be shown the videos, for at least three reasons.
1. To show the public the charges are clearly without merit and Neumann deserves to come home.
2. To show the public the charging officials and their superiors are scum bags.
3. Perhaps to show LEO's charged the crowd that Neumann was a part of, that Neumann was trapped by the crowd and defending himself.
Whatever. I’m just glad you’re not on the jury.
If he had stayed, he'd be rotting in jail now being abused and tortured and still not seeing his kids.
He made the right decision.
“ I consistently think we should all be held to the same standard,”
BLM rioters get paid millions of dollars.
Yeah, THAT was amazing.
Belarus? Or a Gulag in Sodom on the Potomac? Hmm… 🤔
Why “whatever”?
I am angry about the dumb ass douchebag so-called “conservatives” who engaged in actual violence, never mind the Antifa jerkoffs there. And I am not talking about people who did nothing wrong, and there are plenty of them in jail. I am talking about people who assaulted police and damaged property.
I make a clear distinction.
I have been to dozens of protests down in DC, and I was alway proud to be there with conservatives. I almost went down there for January 6th but was unable to do so. But I have learned, in watching events, that there is absolutely no equivalence. None. They were slobs, engaged in exchanges in profanity and obscenity, were indecent in actions, appearance, and message. They left massive messes behind them.
We as conservatives, uniformly and ALWAYS conducted ourselves responsibly with civility, and we cleaned up after ourselves.
On January 6th, there were tens or hundreds of thousands of REAL conservatives who went down to show their displeasure, and did so in a civil and responsible fashion, without fail.
But because a few hundreds couldn’t restrain themselves and did things they damn well should not have, they were the ones who handed the a-hole Leftists their “insurrection” BS.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who engaged in assaults or destruction, and all the sympathy for people who went there to exercise their rights and were painted with the same brush as those jackasses who did.
Don’t you think, if YOU were presented with evidence in a trial that included video and other imagery, that YOU could have enough intelligence and impartiality to be fair in your judgement?
If you think that every single person who was there should be given a blanket pardon, then this discourse we are having would be worthless, and not worth pursuing.
But if you, like me, are proud of the fact that we, as Conservatives, are better than those leftist turds who burn down buildings and assault police and innocent people and businesses, then we have common ground.
If you believe that there should have actually been overt violence, I cannot find common ground with you. Even with the clear deliberate provocations at some points in that crowd by the police such as firing tear gas and flash bangs into the crowd, I would take that into account.
But I am not going to simply accept the word of someone who was there who was charged and fled the country. I will listen and judge, but I am not going to accept that the person is a victim without proof in his favor. Nor would I judge in favor of conviction with the lack of it.
Yeah. No kidding. I am not here asserting there is NOT a dual system of justice, because there clearly is.
He did the right thing. If rump gets elected he should return and face a trial. Trump could pardon him if he’s found guilty. If he’s innocent Trump should give him money for damages.
I am not even impugning this person for fleeing the country, especially given what we have seen happen to people for doing far less, or nothing at all. I have no problem with that at all.
If video or other evidence shows the charges are unwarranted, I think that as an adult with critical thinking skills, I would be able to reach an appropriate conclusion, and I would stick with it regardless of whatever the other 11 jurors might decide.
Point is, some people did things that day they should not have, and in the process, got all conservatives painted with that same brush.
It is indisputably true that there were Leftists in that crowd posing as conservatives, as well as Leftist government agents doing the same.
But I am not convinced there were no conservatives (or people who presented themselves as conservatives) involved, people who had no impulse control. And I say this even while conceding that there may have been deliberate provocation of protesters.
Don’t be surprised if we hear that “agents” have kidnapped him and turned him over to “American authorities “. The way it goes in a banana republic.
Grant him and all other Jan 6 political prisoners a full and complete pardon on day 1.
Then the investigation of the FIB starts up followed by numerous arrests of various former federal agents (assuming they’ve been fired by that point). That’s what needs to happen.
I would not be surprised at all. It is what we have descended to.
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