Posted on 01/16/2024 7:32:40 PM PST by Sunsong
“The Russian economy is thriving despite the sanctions.”
Get ready for even more of that thriving, because even more sanctions are on the way.
China can’t afford the secondary sanctions, and Russia can no longer afford to lose China. Putin has made Russia economically dependent on China.
“That is all the land Russia ever intended to liberate going into this war.”
So why are they still attacking and losing soldiers and equipment in an attempt to gain more land? (Advika anyone?)
Did not Russia annex the Khereson province? Then why is Ukraine still sitting on the most populated part? (Khereson city) They dont want it now?
If Russia has gotten all the land they wanted why are Ukrianians also across the the river from Khereson? They dont want that land either, or are they simply to impotent to kick the old men and ladies out?
And if one goes back in time you once stated that Russia will have ALL of the black sea coastline and there was nothing anyone can do about it....They dont want it anymore? or were you just simply wrong?
“You’re so filled with hate that you can’t even think rationally about the war or about Russia.”
Are not u the one what states “Death To Ukraine” on a regular basis? Sounds like hate to me.
This article from Brookings mentions the word stabilize, but it is not the answer to the problem. It still exists and the efforts they are making are to stop the, in their words, spiraling in of a declining existence. In other words, they are on the wrong side of workable and not improving. They are right now on hold on the edge of the cliff. So they are not doing things now to change an already failing effort. Just trying not doing anything to make it worse.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/us-china-relations-in-2024-are-stabilized-but-precarious/
wy69
China has the biggest property bubble in history. They built somewhere between one and two vacant residences, for every family in China - virtually all on credit, and now they stand empty, with no one paying rent, to pay off the loans.
A lot of manufacturers started looking to diversify away from their huge reliance on China, when COVID rocked the supply chain, and while the Trump Administration levied tariffs. It takes a while to plan and develop new manufacturing facilities (multi-year projects), but those moves are now happening.
Stuff that would have been done in China, is increasingly being done in Vietnam, India, Indonesia, Mexico and the good old USA. China now struggles with high youth unemployment.
Manufacturing is where China made its money, and a huge amount of their domestic wealth (a bulk of the life savings of the middle class) was “invested” in a real estate market that is dramatically over-leveraged with debt.
China has huge economic risks that they have to manage. By historical norms, they have the makings of potentially huge debt and real estate bubbles bursting.
“China has the biggest property bubble in history.”
They may but it hasn’t restrained trade with thye US and Russia which is what this thread was about. The unfortubate side to it is that trade has slowed with the US a tiny bit and grown with Russia much faster than the US has lost. China is just spreading the wealth to Russia and we are taking a back seat so growth, that is required to balance trade is not happening. We’re being suspended in mid air.
For the 2023 full year, the country posted a surplus of USD 823 billion, with exports falling 4.6% to USD 3.38 trillion while imports dropped 5.5% to USD 2.56 trillion. The trade with the US was at USD 664 billion in 2023, down 11.6% from 2022, the first decline since 2019. Meanwhile, trade between China and Russia reached USD 240.1 billion, hitting a new record high in 2023, growing 26.3% from a year earlier.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade
wy69
more BS
The Russians aren't on the offensive. They are grinding the Ukraine defense lines down using their massive advantage in ammo and missiles to do so. Then, advancing slowly over the dead bodies.
It's a war of attrition and the Russians have all the advantages.
Ukraine is running out of Western money, critical low on ammo and, more importantly, running out of troops. There will come a point when their military collapses. Ukraine will either have surrender or Russia will advance all the way to the Dnieper river with little resistance.
Because that part of it is on western half of it on other side of the Dnieper river and Russia doesn't want to lose troops and waste resources defending it.
Russia has already liberated and taken all the land the vast majority of land it wanted. Clearing out what is left of Donetsk and Lugansk is all that is left to do.
Building a land bridge between Crimea and mainland Russia and taking control of most of the Black Sea coastline was the objective behind liberating Donetsk and Lugansk. And, that has been accomplished for well over a year.
Oh, unless Ukraine surrenders, I have no doubt that Russians will take Odessa and leave Ukraine a landlocked country as well as everything east of Dnieper river.
That objective to start with, though.
The Russians would have been perfectly happy to see the Minsk Accords implemented. But, we and NATO had Ukraine sign the Minsk Accords with no intent of allowing Ukraine to abide by it.
Russia would have settled for Donetsk and Lugansk being annexed in peace talks in Turkey of last year. A deal was almost reached before Boris Johnson and Biden regime killed it.
The Biden regime and NATO wanted this proxy war with Russia. It's been total disaster. Both keep doubling down and losing. And, that will continue to be the case until Ukraine ultimately surrenders. The only question is how much more territory will Russia be forced to take before it does.
Looks like you went back to try to edit it, and replace "all" with "vast majority" but even that is wrong.
They clearly wanted all of Ukraine, but now probably won't even get the full four provinces that supposedly succeeded.
“Oh, unless Ukraine surrenders....”
You just repeated what you said before instead of answering my question. Back then you did not say it with that “surrender” caveat. You have changed your tune since then. Why? Where you wrong or is Russia simply unable to take the whole coastline as you said they would?
“The Russians would have been perfectly happy to see the Minsk Accords implemented.”
The Russians and the separatists trashed the Minsk accords one and two.
“Russia would have settled for Donetsk and Luhansk being annexed”
Your point? Again, you didnt address my point: You said Russia has all they want, (even though they still do not control all the land they claim, nor the land you claim they would get “not matter what anyone tries to do”). If they have all they want why are they still trying and failing miserably to take more land?
“The only question is how much more territory will Russia be forced to take before it does”
Then why not take the whole Black sea coastline as you said they would to force Ukraine to surrender? Ukraine is down to old men and woman. What are they waiting for? Should be EZPZ.
“The Russians aren’t on the offensive.”
You do not win wars by playing defense when you can easily go on the offense.
Again, If you have overwhelming superiority as you claim Russia does, and the enemy has no resources as you claim, there is no need to “grind down” anything. Its stupid and a waste.
Thats like the US landing in Normandy and instead of advancing with its huge advantage, instead just sitting on the beach head to “grind down” Germany. Or Russia just sitting outside Moscow to “grind down” the Germans. Completely asinine. Any General who would recommend that would be court martialed for aiding and abetting the enemy.
You're lying. The Russians had the leverage to force Ukraine into signing the Minsk Accords. Of course, they wanted it implemented.
Angela Merkel and François Hollande have bragged about Ukraine signing the Minsk Accords with no intention of letting it honor the agreement. Both admitted signing Minsk was ruse so Ukraine continue its military buildup and continue to persecute, drive out and murder the ethnic Russian population in Dotensk and Lugansk.
Your take on Minsk proves what a liar you.
Get this through your skull -- those in Donetsk in Lugansk, who overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych had NO OBLIGATON WHATSOEVER to remain part of Ukrainian nationalist/neo-Nazi government that came to power illegally.
The part of Ukraine that Russia has liberated and is in control of isn't going back to Ukraine. There is anything anyone can do to change that reality.
The answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain -- taking Odessa will cost Russian lives.
Unlike Zelensky, Putin gives a damn about his troops and wants to minimize the loss of life.
Compare that to Ukraine, which has rounded up conscripts, sent them to frontlines ill-prepared to be cannon fodder. Lives are irrelevant to Zelenksy and us and NATO, which couldn't give a hoot about Ukraine or Ukrainians.
“The answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain
taking Odessa will cost Russian lives”
Well you dont think “grinding down Ukraine” costs Russian lives? Seems to me just dicking around and losing lives is far more costly then just going on the offensive with the massive advantage Russia has. Especially since Ukraine has only old men and women in their way and no more ammo. You only need quarter brain to see that!
Again, you showing totally clueless about what is going on in this war.
1) Russia a massive advantage in both ammo and missiles. So, Russia can kill Ukrainians from distance that doesn't endanger their troops.
2) The vast majority of the urban warfare that have taken place that have resulted in the most causalities on the Russian side were fought by the LPR, DPR, Chechens and Wagner group. So, those groups, not the regular Russian military suffered the causalities.
Ukraine has suffered more than five times as many causalities and are running out of soldiers. The average age of the Ukraine soldier is now 43. Women have been forced the frontlines.
Ukraine has absolutely no chance of gaining back any lost territory. It can only lose more territory.
It appears we have a brand new FReeper speaking out for Russia. I wonder who they might be replacing or playing with a new name??? Could have just been honest opinion of Russia, but then they threw in the Globo-homo meme.
I wonder who they might be replacing or playing with a new name?
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Wildcard_Rednek
Ohh... Generally speaking these guys are usually supporting the whole “GINSCA” package.
GINSCA: Globo-Islamo-NeoSoviet-Commie-Alliance
Indeed, Russia’s main and absolute allies are foremost North Korea and the Islamic State of Iran, known to be not only America’s traditional worst enemies, but to represent the most extreme form of Communism and radical Islam humankind has ever seen. Russia might not be communist, but is deeply, deeply Soviet in the ways it operates.
But then of course here are the other openly pro-Russia countries of the planet: China, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Belarus. It represents an obvious globalist communist network with an ultra Islamic twist (with IRAN).
Anecdote:
Its interesting to know that Putin has inaugurated Europe’s largest Mosque, situated in the very center of Moscow...
I’m noticing a few new names on these topics. It’s like a changing of the guard. Also seeing a number of old accounts that have never posted on Ukraine before suddenly posting the same scripted propaganda we’ve been seeing for two years now.
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