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China Deals Major Blow to Russian Economy
Newsweek ^ | Giulia Carbonaro

Posted on 01/16/2024 7:32:40 PM PST by Sunsong

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To: BeauBo; BroJoeK; USA-FRANCE; MeganC; PIF; ought-six; canuck_conservative; Sunsong

The fact that so many of China’s youth are only children probably means many are spoiled and unwilling to take jobs that are “beneath” them. This is one reason there are a lot of grunt jobs vacant and available for illegals to fill in the US, and probably in Europe. China may not be attractive enough to gain additional needed workers. Our problem is to regulate the flow of immigration to meet our needs without overwhelming cities and towns with excess population.

The huge number of excess housing reminds me of my thoughts around 2000 when I would visit Miami approaching from behind and see such large numbers of new houses being built and sitting unsold. Then 2007/8 hit. I remember seeing a movie, I think “The Big Short” was the title, and it showed one of those houses with an alligator living in tne abandoned pool. My thought on those trips was, “Where are they going to find buyers for all those houses?” I wondered if they represented invested drug money. I heard that Brazilians were often buyers of vacant high rise condos in Florida.


61 posted on 01/22/2024 3:54:30 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: gleeaikin

China is also getting rid of low end assembly manufacturing and trying to go over to a headquarter economy like Tokyo, New York etc. Naturally, there are hundreds of thousands of workers unemployed with little prospect of getting another job.

For example, Shenzhen, which went for a sleepy Chinese village of 500,000 to 18 million with all the low end assembly manufacturing jobs, is now falling back towards its original population.

This is repeated all across China’s economic sectors.


62 posted on 01/23/2024 4:48:58 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF; BroJoeK; USA-FRANCE; MalPearce; Zhang Fei

Given the way they treat the creators of their “headquarters economy” in Hong Kong, I suspect that under Xi they will not be so successful. It will take more progressive elements in China to allow the freedom and creativity that have nurtered the headquarters economies of Tokyo and Singapore. Under current conditions, I suspect the most creative minds in China are doing their best to relocate elsewhere, or biding their time so they don’t get in trouble now.


63 posted on 01/23/2024 7:42:09 AM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: Kazan

My god, there must be some really nice burger sauce on that vranyo you’re gobbling.

“Angela Merkel and François Hollande have bragged about Ukraine signing the Minsk Accords with no intention of letting it honor the agreement. Both admitted signing Minsk was ruse so Ukraine continue its military buildup and continue to persecute, drive out and murder the ethnic Russian population in Dotensk and Lugansk.”

Translation without the bullshit: Ukraine was honoring the agreement and they were convinced Russia wasn’t. Merkel bent over backwards to give Putinrat the benefit of the doubt, but even she bowed to the inevitable truth that he was lying through his back teeth from the minute the Minsk agreements were signed.

We all remember Liar Putin flatly denying to the West that Russia had sent anybody at all into Donbas - while his own fricking troops IN the Donbas were walking around with Russian insignia on them, posting videos up on Telegram, and freely admitting they were there on the Kremlin’s shilling.

Minsk had many obligations for Ukraine to deliver, and you are right that Ukraine (while Poroshenko was president) didn’t deliver very much at all. But Zelenskyy DID deliver several - and did so pretty quick. In fact, Liar Putin even publicly congratulated Zelenskyy for the quick progress. How do we know that’s not Western lies? Because it’s minuted on the Kremlin Website, ya fool.

But some of the Ukrainian obligations were dependent on Rada ratification, and as long as Poroshenko’s pro Azov backers were still LEGITIMATELY in office and hadn’t LEGITIMATELY been voted out, and were watching Putin still bare-faced lying about his little green men, it was Russia creating the obstacles not Zelenskyy.

Russia had ONE obligation under both Minsk agreements -to pull its people out of the Donbas.

Putin didn’t just refuse to pull his people out, he flatly denied even sending them in. But his own troops in the Donbas told the world that they were there on the Kremlin dime.

You might not know this saying, “What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”. Since Putin demonstrated before even letting the ink dry on Minsk that he had no intention of honoring the ONE thing on it that he had agreed to do (and that’s pretty much after violating every single signed agreement between Moscow and Kyiv in the last fifty years), Merkel and other leaders decided NOT to violate the agreements they’d made.

And yes that bought time for us to arm Ukraine ready for what we knew was coming. Putin, the rat git, lying through his second anus before breaking yet another agreement before launching yet another illegal invasion.

Get this through your skull — those in Donetsk and Lugansk, who overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych, did so when his policy was to align with Europe. When Yanukovych sold his soul to Putin in Moscow on December 17th 2013, he didn’t just sell out Ukrainian nationalists, he betrayed the very people who’d voted him in.


64 posted on 01/23/2024 10:16:06 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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Kazan: "So, annexing 40,000 square miles of land that comprised 70-80% of Ukraine's GDP, building a land bridge from mainland Russia to Crimea and controlling almost all of the Black Sea coastline is not an example of winning?"

Sure, but if Vlad the Invader's original goal was to take over all of Ukraine, then not so much.

Here are the actual statistice:

  1. 233,000 square miles = 100% -- Ukraine's 1991 internationally recognized borders

  2. 16,000 square miles = 7% -- seized by Vlad the Invader in 2014, including Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk.

  3. 46,000 square miles = 20% -- maximum new areas seized by Vlad in 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

  4. 62,000 square miles = 27% -- maximum total occupied by Vlad's forces by March of 2022.

  5. 29,000 square miles = 13% -- Ukrainians liberated from Russian occupation by October 2022.

  6. 33,000 square miles = 14% -- 2022 balance of Ukraine territories currently occupied by Russian forces.
    Russian casualties by end of 2022 estimated as over 200,000

  7. 200 square miles = 0.1% -- net Russian territory gains in 2023.
    Russian casualties for 2023 alone estimated as at least 100,000.
On the matter of Ukraine's loss of GDP, it was about 20% from 2021 (PPP GDP = $588 billion) to 2023 (PPP GDP = $475 billion).

Ukraine's population loss is very serious, with at least 10 million displaced within Ukraine and as refugees in other countries, plus tens of thousands of children kidnapped or abducted by Russians.
I was interested to notice a recent survey of refugees which reported that nearly all planned to return to their homes when possible.

Kazan: "You're so filled with hate that you can't even think rationally about the war or about Russia.
People are like you are danger to safety of the planet."

No, the truth is that the only people who truly hate Russians are nations which live close to the Old Soviet Empire and know the Russians government for the monsters they are.

For everyone else, it's just a philosophical exercise in why it's not a good idea to let Russians invade their neighbors whenever the Old Tsarist spirits (or vodka) move them.
But for Russia's neighbors, whose experiences left strong memories, their passion against and hatred of Russians is almost genetic.

And here's the truth about peace on earth -- on the face of Planet Earth there is only one individual who seriously threatens "the safety of the planet" and he is Russia's ruler, Vlad the Invader.


65 posted on 01/24/2024 6:36:45 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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MalPearce to Kazan: "Get this through your skull — those in Donetsk and Lugansk, who overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych, did so when his policy was to align with Europe.
When Yanukovych sold his soul to Putin in Moscow on December 17th 2013, he didn’t just sell out Ukrainian nationalists, he betrayed the very people who’d voted him in."

Thanks for a great summary of historical events.

I think two of several Foundation Lies of Russian propaganda are:

  1. Victoria Nulan and John McCain staged a coup d'etat in Ukraine in 2013.

  2. Ukraine violated the 2014 and 2015 Minsk Agreements
Both are claimed to justify Vlad the Invader's "special military operations" in Ukraine, and neither can be effectively answered without a thorough knowledge of the related history, which virtually no American has.
And so, we usually can't respond to such claims.

So I much appreciate your explanation of the Minsk agreements here.

66 posted on 01/24/2024 7:09:52 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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No, the truth is that the only people who truly hate Russians are nations which live close to the Old Soviet Empire and know the Russians government for the monsters they are.

If you believe, you are totally clueless.

The WEF globalists DESPISE Russia because wouldn't let them in to rape his country of wealth or the allow the LGBT or green agenda to be implemented. He, wisely, kicked George Soros out of his nation and banned his organizations.

Putin is a nationalist who cares about the well-being of his country and is a major block to the globalists' objectives.

A RAND report in 2019 revealed the globalist objective to destroy Russia and break it into six regions whose resources could be vultured by our elite.

And, those hate Russia from former Soviet countries need to get over it. Modern-day Russia is not the old Soviet Union. WEF globalists are a far greater threat to their well-being than Russia is as proven by the insane green and immigration agendas that are ravaging Europe.

I don't believe for a second you don't know all that.

67 posted on 01/24/2024 1:18:53 PM PST by Kazan
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To: BroJoeK

The actual first agreement you could say was a Minsk agreement, was the Belovezha Accords - where Russia agreed it had no further claim to Ukraine or Belarus, and in fact said Belarus not Russia would be the chair of CIS.

(Which Russia broke.)

The second was Minsk 1, which Russia broke by flatly denying that the Russian soldiers parading all over the Donbas and doing videos on Telegram and Tiktok proving they were there, were Russian soldiers in Ukraine on a Russian dime. Once Putin refused to even tell the truth when the truth was all over Tiktok courtesy of his own mercs admitting it, of course Poroshenko had no reason to uphold his side of the bargain.

The third was Minsk 2, which Putin congratulated Zelenskyy for making progress on shortly before publishing his Spot The Dog abridged version of Dugin’s Foundation of Geopolitics (the rashist answer to Mein Kampf), and severing all communications channels with Kyiv.

As for the “coup d’etat”, you’ve got to admire the chutzpah.

So what if Nuland intervened in the setup of an INTERIM government which was only in power until fresh elections were held?

Putin “intervened” by sending little green men into Lugansk and Donetsk to topple elected civilian regional governments in two Ukrainian oblasts which Russia kept boasting were pro-Russian. So pro-Russian it needed two coups to take them over.

The LDPR spent 8 years blocking elections in those regions, and spent 8 years complaining they were about to be overrun by about 5000 nazis each because they couldn’t rally enough supporters from the pro Russian population to even fill a football field. They were mobilising and conscripting years before Ukraine, and they also kept begging Putin to send the troops in to prop them up...

And we’re supposed to think, mmkay, that the two fake governments that were imposed on the regions by foreign fighters without any attempt at a plebiscite, and which have never won an election between them, have more democratic legitimacy than the Arseniy Yatsenyuk interim government (Feb 2014 to Oct 2014) which got re-elected fair and square, under the Oleksandr Turchynov interim presidency (21 February 2014 to June 2014) which ended with Poroshenko’s win.

Oh, and of course, there’s that time Putin was interviewed on Russian TV about Ukrainian borders and he said explicitly, his predecessors had failed to sort the issue out but he accepted that Crimea and the oblasts were “de facto and de jure” part of Ukraine, so he personally intervened to settle the matter and as a consequence Crimea definitely was Ukraine’s land not Russia’s.

That interview is still summarised on the Kremlin website along with a whole bunch of other stuff the vatniks keep telling us didn’t happen. Shh. Don’t tell anyone!


68 posted on 01/24/2024 2:57:08 PM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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To: Sunsong

China is taking a pre-emptive move before President Trump is re-elected. They know Joe will never enact true sanctions, so they must know that Trump will be elected.


69 posted on 01/24/2024 3:05:54 PM PST by shotgun
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To: Sunsong

Newsweek = propaganda


70 posted on 01/24/2024 3:08:50 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Kazan; canuck_conservative; funwithfood; MalPearce; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin
Kazan: "The WEF globalists DESPISE Russia because wouldn't let them in to rape his country of wealth or the allow the LGBT or green agenda to be implemented.
He, wisely, kicked George Soros out of his nation and banned his organizations."

Naw, nobody really cares about Russia, let Russians be Russians and do their own thing in Russia.
Nobody seriously wants to mess with Russia within Russia.
So, any paranoid fantasies you have to the contrary are just that, paranoia -- bad dreams caused by too much vodka, time to get off that stuff, comrade.

Kazan: "Putin is a nationalist who cares about the well-being of his country and is a major block to the globalists' objectives."

Naw, more nonsense because, whatever grandiose visions Putin may have of himself as the successor to Peter the Great and Old Uncle Joe Stalin, the truth is he's just a two-bit tin-horn fascist dictator of a failed democracy, world's #6 economy (PPP) and falling, now effectively allied in a New Axis of Evil Dictatorships -- with the CCP's Xi-snake, NoKo's Little Kim and Iran's Moolah Mullahs.
Regardless, so long as Vlad keeps his military forces (in his pants) inside Russia, he's not blocking or hurting anything important.

Kazan: "A RAND report in 2019 revealed the globalist objective to destroy Russia and break it into six regions whose resources could be vultured by our elite."

I expect that is simply another Russian propaganda lie; however, national "suicide by cop" (NATO) would be Vlad the Invader's goal, if he uses nukes or invades yet more of his neighbors.

Kazan: "And, those hate Russia from former Soviet countries need to get over it.
Modern-day Russia is not the old Soviet Union. "

No, not yet, but becoming more and more like the Old Soviet Empire every day.
So, what is the latest count on new statues of Stalin erected by Vlad the Invader, is it 20 yet?
Russia is re-Sovietizing as fast as Vlad can make it happen.

And how many Chechens did Vlad kill, was it 150,000?
That's peanuts compared to Old Uncle Joe Stalin's tens of millions throughout the USSR.
How many refugees in Georgia, was it 200,000? A drop in the proverbial bucket.
Now we have Ukraine and it's only half a million so far killed or seriously wounded on both sides, but for Vlad to reach Stalin levels of mass murder, it's a start, right?

Kazan: "WEF globalists are a far greater threat to their well-being than Russia is as proven by the insane green and immigration agendas that are ravaging Europe."

Nobody has ever forced Russians to do anything.
If they wanted to collapse the Old Soviet Empire and abolish communism, that's their choice.
If Russians have grown tired of trying out democracy and capitalism and want to re-Sovietize now, that's their choice, nobody outside Russia seriously gives a d*mn what Russians do inside Russia.

But whenever Russians begin invading and threatening their neighbors, then the world sits up and takes notice, and, if necessary, begins to to stand firm against Russian aggressions.

Here is a partial list of Russian invasions or threats against neighbors since 1991:

  1. Azerbaijan (1990–1994);[1][2]
  2. Moldova (1992–present);
  3. Georgia (2004–present);
  4. Lithuania (2006);
  5. Estonia (2006–2007);
  6. Poland (2006–present);
  7. Belarus (2007);
  8. Ukraine (2014–present);
  9. Syria (2015–present);
  10. Turkey (2015–2016);
  11. Kazakhstan (2021–2022) ;[3] and
  12. Armenia (2022) [4] amongst others.[5]
Kazan: "I don't believe for a second you don't know all that."

I don't believe for a second that even one word you've posted here is truthful.
I think all of it is lies from the information sewer pipes of the Kremlin's Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda.

71 posted on 01/25/2024 4:35:54 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: McGruff

LOL

sure, that’s why you see it as a source here a lot


72 posted on 01/25/2024 2:01:29 PM PST by Sunsong
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