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To: funwithfood
The Russians and the separatists trashed the Minsk accords one and two.

You're lying. The Russians had the leverage to force Ukraine into signing the Minsk Accords. Of course, they wanted it implemented.

Angela Merkel and François Hollande have bragged about Ukraine signing the Minsk Accords with no intention of letting it honor the agreement. Both admitted signing Minsk was ruse so Ukraine continue its military buildup and continue to persecute, drive out and murder the ethnic Russian population in Dotensk and Lugansk.

Your take on Minsk proves what a liar you.

Get this through your skull -- those in Donetsk in Lugansk, who overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych had NO OBLIGATON WHATSOEVER to remain part of Ukrainian nationalist/neo-Nazi government that came to power illegally.

The part of Ukraine that Russia has liberated and is in control of isn't going back to Ukraine. There is anything anyone can do to change that reality.

53 posted on 01/18/2024 12:21:41 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

My god, there must be some really nice burger sauce on that vranyo you’re gobbling.

“Angela Merkel and François Hollande have bragged about Ukraine signing the Minsk Accords with no intention of letting it honor the agreement. Both admitted signing Minsk was ruse so Ukraine continue its military buildup and continue to persecute, drive out and murder the ethnic Russian population in Dotensk and Lugansk.”

Translation without the bullshit: Ukraine was honoring the agreement and they were convinced Russia wasn’t. Merkel bent over backwards to give Putinrat the benefit of the doubt, but even she bowed to the inevitable truth that he was lying through his back teeth from the minute the Minsk agreements were signed.

We all remember Liar Putin flatly denying to the West that Russia had sent anybody at all into Donbas - while his own fricking troops IN the Donbas were walking around with Russian insignia on them, posting videos up on Telegram, and freely admitting they were there on the Kremlin’s shilling.

Minsk had many obligations for Ukraine to deliver, and you are right that Ukraine (while Poroshenko was president) didn’t deliver very much at all. But Zelenskyy DID deliver several - and did so pretty quick. In fact, Liar Putin even publicly congratulated Zelenskyy for the quick progress. How do we know that’s not Western lies? Because it’s minuted on the Kremlin Website, ya fool.

But some of the Ukrainian obligations were dependent on Rada ratification, and as long as Poroshenko’s pro Azov backers were still LEGITIMATELY in office and hadn’t LEGITIMATELY been voted out, and were watching Putin still bare-faced lying about his little green men, it was Russia creating the obstacles not Zelenskyy.

Russia had ONE obligation under both Minsk agreements -to pull its people out of the Donbas.

Putin didn’t just refuse to pull his people out, he flatly denied even sending them in. But his own troops in the Donbas told the world that they were there on the Kremlin dime.

You might not know this saying, “What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”. Since Putin demonstrated before even letting the ink dry on Minsk that he had no intention of honoring the ONE thing on it that he had agreed to do (and that’s pretty much after violating every single signed agreement between Moscow and Kyiv in the last fifty years), Merkel and other leaders decided NOT to violate the agreements they’d made.

And yes that bought time for us to arm Ukraine ready for what we knew was coming. Putin, the rat git, lying through his second anus before breaking yet another agreement before launching yet another illegal invasion.

Get this through your skull — those in Donetsk and Lugansk, who overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych, did so when his policy was to align with Europe. When Yanukovych sold his soul to Putin in Moscow on December 17th 2013, he didn’t just sell out Ukrainian nationalists, he betrayed the very people who’d voted him in.


64 posted on 01/23/2024 10:16:06 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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