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New York City is lying about Chinese virus death rates; How the deaths are counted doesn't conform to standard methods in a bid to stoke panic
American Thinker ^ | 04/03/2020 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 04/03/2020 6:14:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The mass hysteria over COVID-19 in the U.S. is driven in large measure by misleading statistics and bad math about the disease’s body count.

Now that New York has become the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States, we are now regularly inundated on cable TV news with the latest pandemic statistics from the city.  The statistics grow gloomier by the hour.

These figures have frightened people into submission as state and local governments across America enact repressive measures they say are necessary to contain the virus or slow its proliferation. 

After doing everything in their power to oust President Donald Trump, journalists and others are now calling him a weakling for supposedly not doing enough, while they demand an unprecedented nationwide crackdown.

The problem starts with the fact that the highly influential statistics from the Big Apple paint a false picture of what is actually happening.

In New York City, the death of anyone who dies who tests positive for COVID-19 is counted as a coronavirus death.  This is the case even if the coronavirus failed to play a significant role in the person’s passing or illness. 

This calculus violates established scientific standards.

Brit Hume of Fox News read about New York City’s unscientific methods in a Twitter thread initiated by a thoughtful user named Adam Townsend (@adamscrabble).

Hume tweeted April 1:  “Very informative thread.  Explains why NY’s Covid 19 fatality numbers are inflated.  They don’t distinguish between those who die with the disease and those who die from it.”

A medical doctor once explained this critical distinction to me.

Arguing against ordering excessive tests for his patients, he said that plenty of old people die who have cancer present in their bodies.


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cookingcovidrates; coronavirus; covidphobia; deathrate; hysteriavirus; mortality; nyc; timeline
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1 posted on 04/03/2020 6:14:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
New York City’s government isn’t the only one worldwide doing this.

In an open letter to Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, wrote:

"[T]he mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death – regardless of other factors.  This violates a basic principle of infectiology:  only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made.”


2 posted on 04/03/2020 6:15:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

NYC hospitals are clearly not overwhelmed yet. They have access to hospital ships for patient overflow but the ships are not really being used. Because the hospitals in the city have room for all of their patients.


3 posted on 04/03/2020 6:18:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Can we wait for the surge to peak before dismissing all of the preparation activities?

If the numbers turn and none of this was necessary we can get all outraged then.

You guys expect everything to happen “right now.” Why is that?


4 posted on 04/03/2020 6:22:32 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: SeekAndFind

In New York City, if you are killed in a traffic accident, jay walking, shot, or natural causes, the Medical Examiner will list CORVID-19 as cause of death. And most other places also. It doesn’t matter what kills you, the official cause of death is CORVID_19


5 posted on 04/03/2020 6:22:33 AM PDT by sport
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To: SeekAndFind

I do believe the panic already happened about 3 weeks ago now we are in kinda an almost getting to the frozen food panic, might have to go to the grocery store panic. And I’ll probably get laid off today so - I’ll have more free time to panic. I’ve been trying to panic productively, I think most Americans are. We were just getting going again and this Chinese crap blah.


6 posted on 04/03/2020 6:24:09 AM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: SeekAndFind; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
When liars figure, figures lie...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

7 posted on 04/03/2020 6:27:36 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazing Polly | Real World or Simulation
https://youtu.be/cAnSkQojE_4

(Crisis simulators, crisis actors and crisis PR agents.)


8 posted on 04/03/2020 6:28:13 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Vermont Lt
You guys expect everything to happen “right now.” Why is that?

We're Americans!

We want it right freaking NOW!

Life is supposed to be like on TV, everything gets resolved in a single episode...

9 posted on 04/03/2020 6:31:26 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: null and void

It’s maddening.

They expect a home run hitter to have 60 home run after 60 at bats.

I wonder how many of them could be held to anything close to that kind of standard in their lives?


10 posted on 04/03/2020 6:35:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: sport

If your comment wasn’t sarcastic, then it was stupid. IMHO.


11 posted on 04/03/2020 6:37:23 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: datricker
Walmart isn’t even the highlight of the day anymore You gotta niter single file One-Way traffic on the aisles Still empty hospitals in my town, but folks walking around like the sky is falling 🐥
12 posted on 04/03/2020 6:38:06 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( If My people will pray ....)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“The doctors are lying”. “Britt Hume tweeted about it”. “If someone dies from choking on a sandwich, but has CV...”
No links to verifiable data, just a stale quote from a doctor who will go down in history as a charlatan.
2,538 dead from CV in New York State, 2,153 in the last week. These are the total deaths FROM ALL CAUSES in New York State for the last 8 years in week 10
2027 2020
2265 2019
2082 2018
2082 2017
2060 2016
2125 2015
1928 2014
2046 2013
So you geniuses have to explain why all the deaths in New York State, plus the extra deaths which don’t normally occur, are attributed to Covid19. Well, maybe all the deaths in New York State are Covid Positive, all the heart attacks, all those mauled by a bear, all the car accidents, all the cancer victims. They must ALL be CV positive, so the evil medical monsters can take away your freedom and say their deaths were caused by Covid19 - because they went to medical school to take away your freedom, right?. But if the infection rate in NY State is 100% (and where is that evidence flu dimwits?), and the disease has a mortality rate or about 1%, then 400,000 New Yorkers are going to die. But keep posting tweets from idiots.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html


13 posted on 04/03/2020 6:38:52 AM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: SeekAndFind

Was this reporting policy (counting everything as a “corona death” if there’s even a trace) recently changed?

Who ordered the change?


14 posted on 04/03/2020 6:41:35 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Vermont Lt

The right has sky high standards, and the left tries to hold them to those unattainable standards. Alinsky rule #4.

The left has abysmally low standards, and the right fails to even try to hold them to those sub-minimal standards.


15 posted on 04/03/2020 6:53:44 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: thefactor

Is it inaccurate?


16 posted on 04/03/2020 6:54:32 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: null and void

Yes it is inaccurate. Nobody who dies in a car accident is put into the “COVID-19” pile.


17 posted on 04/03/2020 6:57:52 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: sport
It doesn’t matter what kills you, the official cause of death is CORVID_19

A murder of crows? Or a conspiracy of ravens?

18 posted on 04/03/2020 7:44:08 AM PDT by no-s
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To: Vermont Lt; ClearCase_guy
Vermont Lt:" Can we wait for the surge to peak before dismissing all of the preparation activities?
If the numbers turn and none of this was necessary we can get all outraged then.
You guys expect everything to happen “right now.” Why is that?"

The outrage by expressed by both State and city NY is a mark of the politicization of the pandemic.
They may order more than needed, and when declared "surplus", they can sell those units which they own to other municipalities for profit.
Think of hoarding of the toilet paper at the onset of quarantine with everyone preparing for two or three weeks, but getting dozens of multi-packs
This whoreding (sic) creates the shortage, which in turn increases the value (profit $) of ventilators to those that then need them.

19 posted on 04/03/2020 7:49:59 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Fitzy_888

Bkmk


20 posted on 04/03/2020 8:11:56 AM PDT by sauropod (Pelosi Galore: We know she's lying when we see her dentures flying.)
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