Posted on 12/03/2019 12:54:33 PM PST by wildbill
Most people know of the great construction achievements of the dynastic Egyptians such as the pyramids and temples of the Giza Plateau area as well as the Sphinx. Many books and videos show depictions of vast work forces hewing blocks of stone in the hot desert sun and carefully setting them into place. However, some of these amazing works could simply not have been made by these people during the time frame that we call dynastic Egypt.
Up until the 7th century BC there was very little iron present in Egypt, as this material only became commonly used once the Assyrians invaded at that time; in fact, the ancient Egyptians regarded iron as an impure metal associated with Seth, the spirit of evil who according to Egyptian tradition governed the central deserts of Africa. A few examples of meteoric iron have been found which predate the Assyrians, but this consists largely of small ornamental beads.
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Oh, by the way, I can clearly see that the framing square DOES NOT FIT flush on the upper right.
Never, ever, clean up your workstation?
I'd call to question those "engineers". I suspect a movie maker can hire just about anyone to say anything on camera. I am certain there is absolutely nothing the ancients have done that we couldn't do. The converse is not true.
If there were such super-dooper tools back then, why haven't we found any trace of them? Don't you think they'd be proud enough of them to lay them with their kings like they do with the swords?
Nonsense!!! Just what is the accuracy of those peices? Please quote the accuracy. Even inexpensive CNC machine can repeat accuracy to .0005”; and, intricate machines to .0001”. We can also make things “optically flat”, none of which is evident in that ancient stuff.
No never... I need to come back and know exactly where I put that one screw, even my wife knows better than to mess with it. Please let me get the hearings out of my system and I will indeed gather that up for you from the other PC. I need to move those files over anyhow now that I have this Linux only laptop done and it is working so well... :)
The wall paintings manage to show every facet of Egyptian life except the use of power tools. Maybe they didn’t think those things were noteworthy. On the other hand, maybe they didn’t have exotic tools after all, just craftsmen who worked on something for a lifetime.
You're a true skeptic. I don't blame you, thousands of others are skeptical. That still doesn't explain how these artifacts were created. You''re welcome to try replicating them, if successful you will be famous around the world. There are curators around the world hiding discovered items and not allowing the public to see them, because they run counter to existing prevailing theories. I'm skeptical of so-called experts because they won't openly display these strange items that run counter to what they believe. If super-dooper tools (your description) exist, they may be hidden or may have been destroyed by curators because they don't fit the narrative. Don't be a flat-earther and accept just one narrative because we don't always know what we don't know.
with ancient tools perhaps. Just because we don't know how THEY did it without our tools does not mean we can't do it with our tools. It also does not mean we couldn't make them without our tools either.
I still haven't been directed to anything we can't make that they did. Everything I've seen on those web sites could be made now.
Nitric acid.
Hydrofluoric acid.
I had thought to mention in my earlier post about the old legend of using organic material acids to dissolve stone, but thought it would be off topic. Wow! Right on target... and then the main hurdle: what to use as a hardener {re-hardener}.
Well, shet mah mouf! A whole crib of corn there to be shucked. It certainly goes a long way to explain the grey andesite 'H' blocks with the perfectly squared detents; I still wonder how they built the molds and with what to still achieve perfect 90 degree rabbet indentations.
Thanks for the lead on 'geopolymer' technology; I still do not understand the name very well. :^/
I sure would like to see you prove that.
Spirochete:
which egyptian museum did you visit? the stuff in most museums can be hand-me-down objects of relatively little value (significance and beauty). my impression is that the egypt government and modern culture frowns upon objects kept outside of egypt (sometimes acquired by quasi-legal means or worse).
SunkenCiv:
Your explanation does not explain the unknown means of production of the petri cores and holes and of high precision of the planed and inscribed granite work. I believe those remain unsatisfactorily explained by archaeologists. Getting more people involved does not necessarily result in higher quality. It seems more likely that it would take different and higher levels of skill to coordinate large numbers of skilled individuals into making single sculptures of (net) high precision. Again, think of doing such a thing today, even with modern advanced precision tools. Also, iron for iron chisels (alleged by some to be used for granite holes in preparation for splitting) would be only 4 on the Mohs scale. Also, IIRC some of the obelisk inscriptions are in bas relief, which would seem to interfere with any simple methods used for accurate granite planing.
Glad you liked it. He's been at this for decades, but it's mostly been obscure. Egyptology will have a chance to improve after Lerner and HAwass kick off.
I don’t try to prove negatives. You go ahead and show us the plethora of great art that compares to those old masters that would be found strewn about the ruins of our cities...
In my experience, they would find a whole lot of canvases filled with abstract shapes and blotches of paint, and maybe the occasional “dogs playing poker”.
:^) I got to where I am by reading a *lot* of stuff, some of which was compelling, some was just silly BS (like Sitchin, Robert K. G. Temple, von Dannikin), much of it was enjoyable, usually there would be new (to me) information that was interesting but either out-of-context, or used in a way that was a non-sequitur or grossly illogical.
One of the problems people have is that these drill holes and cuts have never been dated (cosmic ray exposure dating might work for some of them). The most likely explanation for modern-looking damage (because by and large, the holes and cuts don't appear to be original to the work) is that the damage *is* modern (iow, sometime in the past few hundred years). We don't have surveillance vids to rely on, and we know that, for example, in the MIddle Ages some muzzie ruler of Egypt tried to dismantle the pyramids of Giza, and that even in pharaonic times and ever since the local gentry (of whatever ethnic group) has been trying to find hidden treasure. Even to the current day the "guards" and "watchmen" apparently left in charge for the security of Egyptian monuments will let a visitor go almost anywhere and do almost anything as long as the money's right and no one in authority is around to catch someone in the act.
Granted, Picasso's art seems to be like that lining the halls of elementary schools while artifacts dug up from the ground have real class.
One cannot even take a picture of a Cairo traffic jam unless Hawass is leaning into the camera frame waving... yeeeese! {who is Lerner? (color me unconscious)}
Mark Lerner got interested in Egyptology via his involvement with the Edgar Cayce organization, the A.R.E. (Lerner actually authored a brochure of short book about Cayce's material about Egypt). One might argue that he made a move in the right direction by leaving all that behind, but his attitude now reminds me of that old joke about reformed prostitutes.
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