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The Evidence is Cut in Stone: A Compelling Argument for Lost High Technology in Ancient Egypt
Ancient Origens ^ | August 2017 | Brien Forrester

Posted on 12/03/2019 12:54:33 PM PST by wildbill

Most people know of the great construction achievements of the dynastic Egyptians such as the pyramids and temples of the Giza Plateau area as well as the Sphinx. Many books and videos show depictions of vast work forces hewing blocks of stone in the hot desert sun and carefully setting them into place. However, some of these amazing works could simply not have been made by these people during the time frame that we call dynastic Egypt.

Up until the 7th century BC there was very little iron present in Egypt, as this material only became commonly used once the Assyrians invaded at that time; in fact, the ancient Egyptians regarded iron as an impure metal associated with Seth, the spirit of evil who according to Egyptian tradition governed the central deserts of Africa. A few examples of meteoric iron have been found which predate the Assyrians, but this consists largely of small ornamental beads.

(Excerpt) Read more at ancient-origins.net ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Egypt; Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: ancientorigens; brienforrester; egypt; flint; flintknappers; flintknapping; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; originsnotorigens; technology
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To: Openurmind

Years ago, when I was in middle school I saw a video with a knock off line that stones in S. America were softened with a flower. Don’t remember much else about the movie, but did find more references with convincing (to me) evidence that the conventional explanation has a few lacking points.

http://davidpratt.info/andes2.htm

The pictures are striking.

DK


61 posted on 12/03/2019 3:19:07 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: Openurmind

But soon we will be able to 3D print large blocks in place with microscopic precision.


62 posted on 12/03/2019 3:23:41 PM PST by CJ Wolf (-Please forgive my misspellings, as I forgive those that misspell around me.)
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To: Openurmind
The most popular theory is an earlier much more advanced civilization. Much much earlier than allowed to be suggested, and that these oldest works were already there when the later cultures came there.

The Last Glacial Period started about 115,000 years ago, shortly after their "progressives" banned any technology that released carbon dioxide...

63 posted on 12/03/2019 3:24:20 PM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: marktwain

Most people couldn’t chop down a tree today with a saw or axe. Let alone know how to sharpen it.


64 posted on 12/03/2019 3:25:16 PM PST by CJ Wolf (-Please forgive my misspellings, as I forgive those that misspell around me.)
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To: Dark Knight

I absolutely believe this is possible. They may have had a way to soften stone. The question would be how did they move some examples of these megaliths. Some would have had to be moved across sheer cliff valleys from the quarry and no roads or bridges to where they were erected.

Kind of an interesting site, scroll down to the “MINER BIRDS OF THE MONTANA” short article excerpt about softening stone. :)

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/index.html


65 posted on 12/03/2019 3:37:12 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Dark Knight

“Fig. 5.7 A common ancient method of splitting stones was to make a series of small holes and then insert saturated wooden wedges which expanded and cracked the rock. Left: Machu Picchu quarry. Right: Aswan quarry”

Wouldnt one want to put dry wood in the holes and then add mositure?

Fascinating article.


66 posted on 12/03/2019 3:39:17 PM PST by CJ Wolf (-Please forgive my misspellings, as I forgive those that misspell around me.)
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To: CJ Wolf

One of the points in IIRC Von Daniken’s book, and it has been more than forty years since read...was that the economy required for a brute force old solution to just the manipulations and moving of the stones was far greater than those cultures had to devote to those projects.

DK


67 posted on 12/03/2019 3:48:21 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: SunkenCiv

Forget about the smooth outsides of “sarcophagi” in the Serapheum Lets assume you can get hordes of diorite rock chippers banging away for years.

But Try to hollow out huge “sarcophagi” with granite hammers and then achieve plumb sides, edges and squared corners inside. As well as finely fitted lids that form a seal?????

I don’t see how it could be done because there wouldn’t be room to swing a hammer with any force. And how many workers could you get into such a cramped workspace to hammer at the same time??/ Maybe some kind of acid might work??

Maybe someone could post a picture or two of those granite boxes.


68 posted on 12/03/2019 3:54:05 PM PST by wildbill (The older I get, the less meaning 'life in prison" means to me)
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To: Williams
The only other reason that such precision would be created in an object would be that the tools that are used to create it are so precise that they are incapable of.
It strikes me that neither of those statements makes any sense.

A lathe cannot produce anything of a n indeterminate lumpy texture. Even the turnings are precise. Apply this thinkibg to other devices like a wood saw or metal saw, or a hand drill, ir a die for cutting threads on a rod.

High pressure water jets can cut hard metal, let alone stone MOH 6-7 or ceramics with MOH index of 8 or 9. Maybe they were able to create such water jets. That would seem to be a real possibility.

I have used ultrasonic tools to precisely machine silicon carbide with diamond grit slurry and a metal tool delivering the vibrations. I would think that given the ingenuity to design a rotary disk and/or vibrating tool tip that a water slurry of granite dust or sand (which is grains of quartz or zircon with a higher MOH) could be used to cut a thin slot into the massive stone. Such a slot would by its own action create a very precise planar surface on each side of the cut

These archaeologists simply have no practical imagination, not even as much as the cultures they are digging out. Even their nimbleness in the spiritual dimension is far less than that of the prophets who believed God and wrote the self-consistent Holy Bible. Dame Kenyon, who dug at Jericho, couldn't comprehend that the Bible tale of the fallen walls was true, (which later diggers proved to be so) not believing at all in a real Creator.

Using a slurry of granite dust as the grinding medium would, after a washing down and cleanup, not leave a smidgin of evidence as to how the cutting was achieved, would it?

Bunch of unimaginative dummies. That's probably the reason they can't find work anywhere else.

69 posted on 12/03/2019 3:55:49 PM PST by imardmd1
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To: CJ Wolf

Good catch, I noticed that too. Yes I think you would want to swell after inserting. Similar to splitting with water, you fill the holes with water and let it freeze overnight a few times to split the rock.


70 posted on 12/03/2019 4:00:33 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: wildbill
The main mystery of the Serapeum is, since the stone isn't local to where it wound up (IOW, it wasn't mined en situ), how did they get the finished boxes inside there?

71 posted on 12/03/2019 4:08:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: wildbill
There are a few videos about those boxes, and they are so exact that we would have trouble reproducing them with modern methods.
72 posted on 12/03/2019 4:12:03 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: fproy2222; Openurmind
“Did they all of a sudden “forget how” to create the previous much finer works? They decided to go backwards in skills and pride of craftsmanship rather than advance?”

The world is doing that now.

I watched a fascinating interview of Elon Musk at a TED conference. Among his many achievements is his quest to build SpaceX in order to go to Mars. The interviewer asked him why rush, why not fix problems here on Earth and leave the space quest for a future time by others.

Musk pointed out that if he gives up the quest, others might not continue it. That the ancient Egyptians forgot how to build pyramids and other great monuments, and the Romans who built aqueducts soon forgot their technologies. He says it could happen to our modern civilization, that we could forget how to build and then revert to primitive states. He said after we went to the Moon we just sort of gave up for half a century. If he doesn't help push us along, we may never go to Mars. It doesn't take much for a civilization to decline and forget how to build.

73 posted on 12/03/2019 4:12:43 PM PST by roadcat
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To: SunkenCiv; wildbill

Absolutely, and even more curious is how did they see to do it in the dark? There is absolutely no soot from torches or oil lamps on the ceiling.


74 posted on 12/03/2019 4:18:18 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: GingisK
Anything the ancients have done we could also do. Name one artifact that we couldn’t produce.

I don't think this is true. I've watched many of these documentaries on ancient civilizations, and modern engineers say they can't duplicate many of the things done back then. Our largest construction vehicles couldn't lift and install the massive stones in ancient structures, and couldn't be fitted with the same precision. Many ancient carvings appear to have been cut with finer precision than modern computer-driven lasers, impossible to do by hand-carving to be symmetrical (left and right facial images for instance).

75 posted on 12/03/2019 4:18:22 PM PST by roadcat
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To: roadcat; GingisK

Yep, Symmetry is the big one. Even with a computer driven CNC machine this would be hard to get as exact as they did on some of that work.


76 posted on 12/03/2019 4:30:05 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: imardmd1; Williams
As a glass dealer and engineer my shop used a tube drill to cut circular holes in the glass. That is, a brass tube having three or four vertical slots of say 1/8" and a steel shaft of say 1/4" + to fit an ordinary electric drill is still commonly used to produce round holes of small and large diameter

The tube drill uses very hard fine carborundum particles to grind the hole. The particles imbed in the slots as the tube rotates and grind a circumferential slot. In the end, a perfectly round hole is cut and a perfect circular core is cut as well.

As the hole is cut, the soft brass is also eroded such that the slots are deep and there is a double layer of slots

That is, the 4000 + year old technology you describe using a fine very hard particle (sand) cutting medium is alive and well and in use in all glass shops that cut round holes in glass.

Four Inch Diameter Tube Drill


77 posted on 12/03/2019 4:32:45 PM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Openurmind

Using polished metal mirrors has been shown to work well enough at surprising depths. Also, the oils (olive oil, seed oils) used in ancient oil lamps were also very low producers of soot. Kerosene is a modern discovery, if memory serves was discovered in Poland (the discoverer had what turned out to be oil seeping out on his property, and his neighbors urged him to try to make vodka out of it; that could easily be a mythical detail).

http://oliveoilsource.com/asktheexpert/how-did-ancients-use-olive-oil-their-lamps

https://www.antiquelampsupply.com/type-of-oil-used-in-oil-lamps


78 posted on 12/03/2019 4:45:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: roadcat
Many ancient carvings appear to have been cut with finer precision than modern computer-driven lasers,

I've wondered if anyone has ever measured the precision of the depth and sides of those hieroglyphs "carved" into some of those obelisks. They look like they were cut with a router.



79 posted on 12/03/2019 4:47:13 PM PST by Oatka
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To: roadcat
I've watched many of these documentaries on ancient civilizations, and modern engineers say they can't duplicate many of the things done back then.

Firstly, I don't think you'll ever find a consensus of modern engineers who will all agree. Some modern engineers might say it couldn't be done, but they are selected by the shows to prove the show's narrative. Think of the New York Times, and their "experts" that prove Trump is guilty of whatever.

The biggest single fact that the things were in fact done is that they are there.

Thousands of years old, just standing there, or toppled over by time or whatever--the modern engineer can say it is impossible--but the stone is there nevertheless.

It would better for them to say they don't know how to duplicate it today, not that it couldn't be done (because it WAS)--they don't know--is the final answer.

80 posted on 12/03/2019 4:47:58 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (The prisons do not fill themselves. Get moving, Barr!)
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