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Americans fear climate change - and the cost of figuring it out (only 11.29 years left)
Newsday ^ | 10/05/19 | Noah Smith

Posted on 10/05/2019 11:12:15 PM PDT by Libloather

Although the wealthy can and should be expected to make larger sacrifices than the middle class, it's vanishingly unlikely that any plan serious enough to slow global warming will leave the bulk of Americans financially untouched.

But if Americans are going to be asked to engage in a war on climate change, they should understand the material and economic sacrifices that will be required of them. The best way to do this is to look at an ambitious, well-crafted climate plan like the one put forward by Washington Governor Jay Inslee.

**SNIP**

Much of this could be financed with taxes on the rich, but it will take a huge amount of labor and other resources to carry out. Those resources will have to be diverted from producing other goods and services, which means prices for consumer items throughout the economy probably will rise. Those higher prices mean that most Americans will become poorer in the short term, though government redistribution can cushion the blow.

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To: Libloather
Much of this could be financed with taxes on the rich

The "rich" are not going to pay for climate change solutions. They didn't become rich by giving their money away. Everyone will have to pay and as France discovered, it's easy to talk a virtuous game about solving climate change up until the cost for it is on the gas pumps, and then there's rioting in the streets.

Same thing will happen here.

21 posted on 10/06/2019 4:58:04 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Libloather

Noah Smith is woefully ignorant of both science and economics.

We cannot live a carbon-free lifestyle, nor should we desire to. We are made of carbon. If the left got its way and actually started removing carbon from the atmosphere, they would be reducing the biosphere. As the carbon concentration drops, species will go extinct, deserts will grow, and the earth will warm because bare earth converts sunlight into heat far more effectively than plant covered earth.

No carbon, no life.


22 posted on 10/06/2019 5:01:16 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Elsie
When on my home page; and I select [In Forum]-
 
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- I get a page of my most recent replies on FR.
 
 
 
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What is wrong??

23 posted on 10/06/2019 5:23:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimrob

forgot to ping you to above.


24 posted on 10/06/2019 5:23:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Libloather

“Much of this could be financed with taxes on the rich, but it will take a huge amount of labor and other resources to carry out. Those resources will have to be diverted from producing other goods and services, which means prices for consumer items throughout the economy probably will rise. Those higher prices mean that most Americans will become poorer in the short term, though government redistribution can cushion the blow.”

This whole paragraph...does the radical left actually believe this to live by it or just to make everyone else to live by it.....


25 posted on 10/06/2019 5:29:20 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: familyop

Reasonably good summary. There is one effect that is totally known physics that has not been factored into the climate biz at all, and that is electromagnetism. The sun has a magnetic field (which is currently (no pun intended) increasing). The earth’s interior is an electric conductor (gigawatts of circulating current).

Physics says “conductors moving in a magnetic field cause current to flow”.

HOW MUCH DOES THE CHANGE IN THE SUN’S FIELD INCREASE THOSE CURRENTS??

The electromagnetic effect is totally independent of the “standard model” of energy transfer to earth by light photons, yet is completely ignored.


26 posted on 10/06/2019 6:24:19 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: HotHunt

This is about the best explanation I’ve seen for the whole “climate change” situation. Of all the things we need to be concerned about, climate change(except coping with natural seasonal changes) is hardly even on the list for thinking Americans.


27 posted on 10/06/2019 6:57:01 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: familyop; Trumpet 1; Gamecock; SaveFerris
"As the Sun gets warmer the planets of the solar system get warmer."

You saw that movie, too?

"The planets of our solar system, incinerating. Like. flaming globes, Sigmund. Like flaming globes!"


28 posted on 10/06/2019 7:04:26 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Libloather

Something I found last night...

POPULAR SCIENCE, Feb 1980..
PS/What’s News ....page 73
Changing the weather intentionally or otherwise weather modification..(Earth cooling vs Greenhouse effect)

“Do you suppose we can learn enough, soon enough, to pull off a balancing act with the CO2 blanket saving us from another ice age?”


29 posted on 10/06/2019 7:36:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: oldtech
Thanks.

I don't know about everybody else, but my wife and I never have had a discussion about climate change and never will. It's not even on our radar.

Reading about all of the uproar over it, I sometimes think we live on a different planet than the climate change cultists do.

30 posted on 10/06/2019 8:09:16 AM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: Libloather

“Fear” is how democrats keep their base in line...


31 posted on 10/06/2019 8:10:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (<img src=https://i.imgur.com/WjoG6dB.png width=500> The American press sucks...)
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To: Libloather

Noah Smith, whoever he/she/it is, has to be insane.

If No Newsday went up in flames along with ahole Noah, no one would care.


32 posted on 10/06/2019 8:12:52 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Ban liberals, NOT guns.)
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To: Trumpet 1; JoSixChip; Maudeen; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; RomanSoldier19; Soul of the South; ...

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and thus clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary — H.L. Mencken

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG:
(FYI - links at bottom:)

1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!

Sorry, Experts… Sorry, Scientific Consensus… Only a fool comes running for the 42nd cry of wolf.

List Climate ‘experts’ got right:
;
ZERO

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and thus clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary — H.L. Mencken

above from links:

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/20/nolte-climate-experts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions


33 posted on 10/06/2019 8:17:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (<img src=https://i.imgur.com/WjoG6dB.png width=500> The American press sucks...)
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To: GOPJ

34 posted on 10/06/2019 8:20:22 AM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: HotHunt

Anyone remember SUN DAY? from Popular Science, Apr 1978 issue.

May 3, 1978 was to be the day! The organizers of EARTH DAY planned a get together to celebrate that day to “Lead the US into the Solar era!”


35 posted on 10/06/2019 8:40:16 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Earth Day. Baloney. Might as well be May Day, the communist holiday.

Over 40 years later they are still trying to make solar (and wind) their go-to energy to drive the US economy with their Green New Deal.

In 2018, total solar generation by commercial power operations and estimated small scale photovoltaic generation, was only 2.30% of total U.S. electricity production. Wind provided only 6.3% in 2017.

So wind and solar combined total only 8.6% of US energy requirements.

Best estimates are that these two sources will only be able to provide 20-25% maximum in the future. I think that number is a stretch unless or until technology catches up with Leftist ideology.

And these climate cult idiots want to eliminate fossil fuels completely without an explanation of how the remaining bulk of the energy requirements for the country are going to be met.

Not very "forward" thinking these ex-bartenders and angry Swedish 16 year olds.

36 posted on 10/06/2019 9:32:24 AM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: HotHunt


(and I swiped this one as well!)
37 posted on 10/06/2019 12:06:41 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Maudeen
There's the bottom line. I think Satan has done an excellent job with this Global Warming Hoax.

There are many things indicating we're nearing the end of the Church Age.

And the Godless Left have people all worried about Global Warming. It's an excellent distraction by the god of this world. Which makes it a perfect cause for the United Nations, as they await the arrival of their Little Horn.


38 posted on 10/06/2019 12:11:21 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: HotHunt

Wonderful picture... sums it up... perfect.


39 posted on 10/06/2019 3:28:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (<img src=https://i.imgur.com/WjoG6dB.png width=500> The American press sucks...)
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To: Libloather

Ok now.

Everyone that believes in Human Caused Global Warming, raise your hand.

Everyone with your hand raised, report to your Facilitator for carbon reassignment therapy.


40 posted on 10/06/2019 3:32:16 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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