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  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/25/2013 5:07:30 AM PDT · 388 of 388
    Elsie to Elsie
    When Gentiles, who do not possess the law...

    Romans 2:14a

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/25/2013 5:05:30 AM PDT · 233 of 244
    Elsie to Revolting cat!
    Only TWO choices from which to select?

    What shall I do?

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/25/2013 5:03:36 AM PDT · 232 of 244
    Elsie to Natural Law
    When Gentiles, who do not possess the law...

    But there are SO many who wish they did!

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/25/2013 5:00:24 AM PDT · 231 of 244
    Elsie to boatbums

    Yeah...

    there are LOTS of ‘fools’ found throughout the Bible.

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/25/2013 4:59:25 AM PDT · 230 of 244
    Elsie to Salvation
    Do you ever read the book of James?

    I think I probably have...

    ...along with a bunch of other stuff; too.


     
    Is Peter the 'rock'?
     


    NIV Matthew 4:18-19
     18.  As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.
     19.  "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
     
    NIV Matthew 8:14
      When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
     
    NIV Matthew 10:1-2
     1.  He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil  spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
     2.  These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
     
    NIV Matthew 14:28-31
     28.  "Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
     29.  "Come," he said.   Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
     30.  But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
     31.  Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
     
    NIV Matthew 15:13-16
     13.  He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.
     14.  Leave them; they are blind guides.  If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
     15.  Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
     16.  "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
     

    As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
    BEFORE the following verses came along.....


    NIV Matthew 16:13-18
     13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
     14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
     15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
     16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
     17.  Jesus replied, "
    Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
     18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.
     19.  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 10:4
       and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
     
    NIV Luke 6:48
       He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
     
    NIV Romans 9:33
      As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
     
     
     
    NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
     4.  As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
     5.  you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
     6.  For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
     7.  Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
     8.  and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.


    But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS???

     

    NIV Genesis 49:24-25
     24.  But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
     25.  because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty,  who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.
     
    NIV Numbers 20:8
       "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink."
     
    NIV Deuteronomy 32:4
      He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
     
    NIV Deuteronomy 32:15
       Jeshurun  grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior.
     
    NIV Deuteronomy 32:18
      You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
     
    NIV Deuteronomy 32:30-31
     30.  How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
     31.  For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.
     
    NIV 1 Samuel 2:2
      "There is no one holy  like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
     
    NIV 2 Samuel 22:2-3
     2.  He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
     3.  my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn  of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me.
     
    NIV 2 Samuel 22:32
      For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
     
    NIV 2 Samuel 22:47
      "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior!
     
    NIV 2 Samuel 23:3-4
     3.  The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
     4.  he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.'
     
    NIV Psalms 18:2
      The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn  of my salvation, my stronghold.
     
    NIV Psalms 18:31
       For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
     
    NIV Psalms 18:46
      The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
     
    NIV Psalms 19:14
       May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
     
    NIV Psalms 28:1
       To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.
     
    NIV Psalms 31:2-3
     2.  Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
     3.  Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.
     
    NIV Psalms 42:9
       I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"
     
    NIV Psalms 62:2
       He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
     
    NIV Psalms 62:6
       He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
     
    NIV Psalms 62:7
       My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
     
    NIV Psalms 71:3
       Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.
     
    NIV Psalms 78:35
       They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.
     
    NIV Psalms 89:26
       He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.'
     
    NIV Psalms 92:14-15
     14.  They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green,
     15.  proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."
     
    NIV Psalms 95:1
       Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
     
    NIV Psalms 144:1
       Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
     
    NIV Isaiah 17:10
       You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
     
    NIV Isaiah 26:4
       Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.
     
    NIV Isaiah 30:29
     And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.
     
    NIV Isaiah 44:8
       Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." 
     
    NIV Habakkuk 1:12
       O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish.

    .....No other rock.............
     
    And now you know the Biblical position!

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/25/2013 4:56:11 AM PDT · 228 of 244
    Elsie to Salvation
    "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ." 
    --  St Jerome
     
    Now its...
     
     
    "Ignorance of what we say Scripture means, is ignorance of Christ." 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/25/2013 4:49:40 AM PDT · 73 of 80
    Elsie to ken5050
    ...completely off the rails..


    Am I ready for politics yet??


  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/25/2013 4:45:32 AM PDT · 72 of 80
    Elsie to Rebelbase
    A little kitty that turned up at my place a few years ago became a barn cat.

    When young, it would poke it's paw through small holes in the wall to were the goats where staying at night.

    Naturally, this action aroused the goat's curiosity and they'd go over to investigate. They were not happy at having their noses swatted playfully by Tiger, and when I'd feed them, ol' Tiger would strut through THEIR territory as if HE owned the place.

    One day Gracie, having had enough, squashed him against the wall, behind a piece of plywood he had dartted behind after tormenting them yet again.

    I thought I'd drag out a dead cat; but he was merely dazed.

    After that, he would fight me like crazy if I tried to carry him into their area!

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/25/2013 4:37:08 AM PDT · 69 of 80
    Elsie to MarkBsnr

    People all over the world have an interest in me...

    (bottom of page http://www.freerepublic.com/~elsie/ )

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/25/2013 4:35:24 AM PDT · 68 of 80
    Elsie to MarkBsnr
    What’s the odds of that, I wonder...

    Purty good, I'd say.

    People all over the world have an interest in me...

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 1:54:57 PM PDT · 149 of 244
    Elsie to GeronL
    To be an atheist today is to have rejected Christ, which is a sin isn’t it?

    Narrow definition of 'atheist'.

    Muslims have 'rejected' Christ.

    Wiccans have 'rejected' Christ.

    Buddhists have 'rejected' Christ.

    MORMONs have added to Christ.

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT · 148 of 244
    Elsie to cuban leaf
    My old ‘63 rambler is not just dead. It is “eternally” dead.


    But, reinCARnation is a FACT in these days of metal recycling!

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/24/2013 9:15:44 AM PDT · 387 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    Of course, your pitiful understanding of Yahweh and His law prevents you from answering this..........intelligently.

    Poor Elsie - so damn dumb and unteachable.

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/24/2013 9:14:43 AM PDT · 386 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    Why do you think a plaque (or and image) of the Ten Commandments appear in (or on) just about every public Law building in the U.S.A.

    You've answered your own question:

    ...just about every public Law building ...
  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/24/2013 9:12:47 AM PDT · 385 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    I'll play your silly game once more.

    I feel no need to post the LETTER once more - as it speaks for itself.

    My mind is NOT troubled by the things you've said.

  • Is This Good News? (RC Claim all can be saved without Jesus)

    05/24/2013 9:08:51 AM PDT · 59 of 109
    Elsie to fwdude
    So, when is he going to change his position on homosexuality.

    GOD has said....


    Genesis 13:13
    Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

    Genesis 18:20-21
    20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
    their sin so grievous
    21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

    Genesis 19:4-7
    4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
    from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
    5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
    ."
    6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
    7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

    Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

    Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

    Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

    2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


    Ezekiel 16:49-50
    49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
    50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



    2 Peter 2

    1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
    2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
    3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
    4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
    6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
    7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
    8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
    9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
    10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
    11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
    12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
    13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
    Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



    But there IS hope!!!

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
    Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
    10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


    If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
     

     
     
     
     
  • Is This Good News? (RC Claim all can be saved without Jesus)

    05/24/2013 9:06:47 AM PDT · 58 of 109
    Elsie to Resolute Conservative
    Review John 14:6.

    No...

    Review John 3:18

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 9:04:00 AM PDT · 128 of 244
    Elsie to Cvengr
    As soon as one adds something to faith in Christ, it isn’t faith in Christ.

    Like THIS??


    What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

     
     
     

    "He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
    - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
     
     
     
     
    "You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
    - Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
     
     
     
     
    "If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
    - (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
    There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
    - Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
     
     
     
     
    "I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
    - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
     
     
     
     
    "It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
    - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


    They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
    He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
    He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
    As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
    Who has made this so?
    Have I?
    Have this people?
    Have the world?
    No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
    If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
    If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
    Can you pass without his inspection?
    No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
    In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
    They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
    They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
    Brigham Young,

    --JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 9:00:57 AM PDT · 126 of 244
    Elsie to informavoracious
    The Pope cannot ignore that atheism is rising in the world.

    DUH!


    Luke 18:8b (NIV)

    When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 8:59:24 AM PDT · 125 of 244
    Elsie to Salvation
    “Regarding the debate about faith and works: It’s like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most important.”

    Sigh...


     

    John 6:28-29

    Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

    Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


    1 John 3:21-24

    Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 8:58:04 AM PDT · 124 of 244
    Elsie to DaveMSmith
    ... a punishing, angry and vengeful God who sacrificed His own son for the sin of Adam was shoved down their throats as children.

    And He is STILL in control!

    No matter WHAT the Boy Scouts have voted!!

  • Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

    05/24/2013 8:54:10 AM PDT · 123 of 244
    Elsie to piusv
    The format here in this forum makes it difficult enough to read the shorter posts. I wish they would upgrade it.

    Huh?

    HOW do you wish it 'upgraded'?

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/24/2013 5:39:08 AM PDT · 63 of 80
    Elsie to Elsie
    Crankshaft Cartoon for May/22/2013 
    Crankshaft Cartoon for May/23/2013 
     
    Crankshaft Cartoon for May/24/2013 
  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/24/2013 5:27:58 AM PDT · 62 of 80
    Elsie to goat granny; MarkBsnr
    ouch, you are a bad boy...

    More than THAT!

    My four claim he's the Anti-Christ!!

    They have his picture in their urinal!!!

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/24/2013 5:22:41 AM PDT · 383 of 388
    Elsie to Elsie

    DAng!

    That darned ol’ letter doesn’t even MENTION circumcision!

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/24/2013 5:16:50 AM PDT · 382 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    You've been corrected on your error regarding [Acts 15] now a couple of times.

    No; I have not.

    Declare victory and leave the field of battle.


    The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
     22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

       The apostles and elders, your brothers,

       To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

       Greetings.

     24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

       Farewell.

    I think I'll go with Scripture, instead of Spin.

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/23/2013 10:11:52 AM PDT · 380 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    I'm still amazed as to how the "Church" continues to portray this passage as something entirely different from what it is.

    Yeah!

    The 'church' should just IGNORE all them OTHER verses found in Acts 15!!

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/23/2013 5:05:18 AM PDT · 376 of 388
    Elsie to roamer_1
     
    Matthew 11:28-30
     "Come to me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
     
    Yet...
     
    Acts 15: 10
    Now therefore why tempt you God, to put a yoke on the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
     
     
    Gal 5:1
    "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by the yoke of slavery."
     
     
     
    ...there seems to be two DIFFERENT 'yokes' being described here.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/22/2013 8:26:12 PM PDT · 374 of 388
    Elsie to roamer_1
    BUT, we are to emulate him, and to keep the commandments.

    And if you CAN'T?

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/22/2013 3:54:06 PM PDT · 369 of 388
    Elsie to roamer_1
    Do you think Diego1618 is preaching justification by the law?

    No; of course not.

    We are veering away from the Sabbath thingy.

    There are some in this thread that seem to be VERY emphatic that God must be worshipped on the SABBATH; but there is disagreement over just what IS the 'sabbath' and did anyone actually CHANGE it.

    That's point 1.

    Point #2 - just who are His people these days? Jews? Gentiles?? Both???

    Point three.
    Just what DOES God 'require' from 'His people'?


    We seem to have tossed all this in a blender and turned it on without installing the lid!

    Big mess.

    Can we get back to ONE thing at a time?

  • If Women Ran the World

    05/22/2013 12:16:11 PM PDT · 42 of 48
    Elsie to william clark
     
     
     
     
     
  • If Women Ran the World

    05/22/2013 11:51:47 AM PDT · 40 of 48
    Elsie to stuartcr

    Mother
    Theresa?

  • If Women Ran the World

    05/22/2013 11:50:27 AM PDT · 38 of 48
    Elsie to rhema
    If Women Ran the World


  • California Tea Party Files Class Action Lawsuit Against IRS

    05/22/2013 11:44:22 AM PDT · 14 of 15
    Elsie to MrB

    Then let’s just impeach the WHITE half!!!!!

  • California Tea Party Files Class Action Lawsuit Against IRS

    05/22/2013 11:42:57 AM PDT · 13 of 15
    Elsie to Tenacious 1

    money well spent!

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/22/2013 11:34:18 AM PDT · 366 of 388
    Elsie to roamer_1
    Who said anything about being justified by the law?

    Uh... St. Paul did.

    ...to the church in Galacia.

    He called them FOOLS.

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/22/2013 5:55:36 AM PDT · 57 of 80
    Elsie to goat granny; Utah Binger

    Yes; it is.

    Obama has a reproduction hanging in the Oval Office.
    He says it represents Him leading his American followers into the promised land.

    (But the caption on the back says: Future president being chased by myriad scandals - flees to the East.)

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/22/2013 5:50:14 AM PDT · 56 of 80
    Elsie to goat granny
    Now GG; you KNOW that having food will LIKELY get you trampled ANYway!


    Hey!

    Is that a POTATO CHIP in his hand???

    GET him!!!


  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/22/2013 5:45:18 AM PDT · 362 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    Galatians 3:11

    Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith."


    Good luck with INSISTING that ONLY Saturday is the 'day' to worship GOD, by using texts that are CLEARLY aimed at the Chosen People - the ones with the Covenant.

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/22/2013 5:42:50 AM PDT · 361 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    Because you're the one pretending to know something...........

    Not 'know'; but READ.


    Ignoring the VERY plain words found in Scripture is a poor way to try to win an argument.

    Waving those words away with volumes of other words, likewise, is a no show.

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/21/2013 7:44:23 PM PDT · 358 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    As they grew in knowledge of the law they would naturally begin to obey it.

    That St. Paul must have been nuts to write to the Galatians!

    3:11

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/21/2013 7:42:18 PM PDT · 357 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    Then according to you...

    Why is this still getting blamed on ME??

    I am not the one who wrote Acts chapter 15, and I am not the One who spoke in John 6:28-29!

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/21/2013 7:37:50 PM PDT · 53 of 80
    Elsie to MarkBsnr

    They grow their own.

  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/21/2013 7:37:14 PM PDT · 52 of 80
    Elsie to goat granny

    not goats; but close...

  • Wrong color in the wrong place

    05/21/2013 3:26:00 PM PDT · 37 of 41
    Elsie to S.O.S121.500

    save_yer_ass_ism

  • Wrong color in the wrong place

    05/21/2013 3:23:34 PM PDT · 36 of 41
    Elsie to 3Fingas

    OPEN carry is MORE of a deterent.

  • Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

    05/21/2013 3:21:46 PM PDT · 355 of 388
    Elsie to Diego1618
    And.....this is exactly how the Jerusalem church (in its legalism) defined the new Gentile converts.

    And it got smacked down for it.

    What part of 'no other requirements' is so hard to figger out?

  • "Where Were You, God?"

    05/21/2013 3:19:44 PM PDT · 409 of 420
    Elsie to Gamecock

    Just like a Buick; yet many ministers drive one.

  • "Where Were You, God?"

    05/21/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT · 405 of 420
    Elsie to Elsie
    Pearls Before Swine
  • Pensioner dragged off his scooter before being kicked and bitten to death… by DONKEYS

    05/21/2013 9:53:20 AM PDT · 48 of 80
    Elsie to GeronL
    Bad ELSIE!