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  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:53:03 PM PDT · 119 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Making it up is the cornerstone of Protestantism after all.

    Mary is dead in her grave.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:51:16 PM PDT · 118 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    And now the discussion will end.

    And you say that GOD doesn't answer Protestant prayers...

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:50:28 PM PDT · 117 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998

    SAY!

    Didn't I read this in another thread recently?

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:48:16 PM PDT · 115 of 129
    Elsie to caww

    Vile blood or blood vial?

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:47:22 PM PDT · 114 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Once again it is the Catholic who is singled out while nothing is said to the anti-Catholic.

    Step away from the keyboard; count to ten; take a deep breath (thru your nose; of course) and then return to your tantalizingly witty characterizations of your beloved separated brethren.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:45:04 PM PDT · 112 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Do you believe someone deliberately misrepresenting what someone else has or has not said is wrong?

    HMMMmmm...

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:44:33 PM PDT · 111 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    I have never seen such a remark from a Catholic, and any Catholic who made such a remark is not better educated in the faith than any mouth breathing Protestant anti-Catholic.

    How many mouth-breathers do you know?

    I DEMAND an accurate count!

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:42:22 PM PDT · 108 of 129
    Elsie to Salvation

    Have you any data on the OLD ‘good omens for the world’ that occurred during PAST liquifications?

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:40:39 PM PDT · 107 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Depends. Here at FR, a news and issues oriented posting site, in the religion forum when Catholic issues come up, it’s education.

    Yup; thanks to the Protestants.

    Here at FR, a news and issues oriented posting site, in the religion forum when Catholic issues are touted by Catholics; it's indoctrination.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:38:51 PM PDT · 105 of 129
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Arthur, when people only have a government school education they are capable of being misinformed on many topics.

    Likewise...

    ... when people only have a Catholic school education they are capable of being misinformed on many topics.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:37:53 PM PDT · 103 of 129
    Elsie to WKUHilltopper
    So why was his blood kept in the first place?

    Institutionalized weirdness?

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:36:50 PM PDT · 101 of 129
    Elsie to Arthur McGowan
    This is a sign of the power and the love of God.

    Sure it is...

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:32:30 PM PDT · 99 of 129
    Elsie to BlatherNaut
    ... they were watching cattle in a pasture when they saw a globe of light that “opened” to reveal a most beautiful woman...


  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/20/2014 7:27:10 PM PDT · 98 of 129
    Elsie to Arthur McGowan
  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:19:22 PM PDT · 643 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998

    There was no “catholic apostasy”.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:18:29 PM PDT · 642 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    No such posts will appear, however, because no such evidence exists.

    Doubling down is ALWAYS a good tactic.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:17:41 PM PDT · 641 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    No, he just had conversations with the Devil and the Devil agreed with him.

    Did he cut any fingers off like one of YOUR beloved popes?

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:16:49 PM PDT · 640 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Luther created the doctrines you believe in as a Protestant.


    GOD created the doctrines I believe in as a Protestant.

    They are quite enjoyable; as I don't have to jump thru ANY false, Catholic imposed hoops to get to Him.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:14:09 PM PDT · 639 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    Since when is the Holy Spirit disrespectful of "anyone," regardless of where you place Mary?

    Well; we DO agree that the Holy Spirit is GOD; right?

    And equal to GOD the Father as well as Jesus; right?


     


     
    Matthew 15:16
       "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

    Matthew 23
     
      1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
      2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
      3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
      4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
      5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
      6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
      7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
      8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
      9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
     10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
     11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
     12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
     13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
     14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
     15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
     16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
     17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
     18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
     19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
     20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
     21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
     22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
     23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
     24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
     25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
     26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
     27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
     28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
     29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
     30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
     31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
     32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
     33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
     34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
     35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
     36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
     37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
     38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
     39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
     


    Mark 7:26-27
     26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
     27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
     
  • Mormons Say Jesus Was Married?

    09/20/2014 2:31:03 PM PDT · 274 of 274
    Elsie to Jabba the Nutt
    I’m trying an intervention to help people obsessed by the theological arguments of a belief and extending that to the character of the believers.

    And which reply numbers of this thread will a person find evidence of what you are trying to do?

  • Mormons Say Jesus Was Married?

    09/20/2014 2:29:51 PM PDT · 273 of 274
    Elsie to Jabba the Nutt
    You’re still making a poor argument.

    Utah, as a state, is 57% Mormon.

    I assume that the prison population of ANY state reflects the general population OF it.

    Why do YOU call that judgment 'poor'?

  • Mormons Say Jesus Was Married?

    09/20/2014 2:28:23 PM PDT · 272 of 274
    Elsie to Jabba the Nutt
    Lynching doesn’t require a rope.


    True, but that's the way it is used MOST of the time. 
    lynch
    linCH/
    verb
    verb: lynch; 3rd person present: lynches; past tense: lynched; past participle: lynched; gerund or present participle: lynching; noun: lynching; plural noun: lynchings
    1. (of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.
      synonyms: execute illegally, hang, kill;
      informalstring up
      "he was lynched by the mob"
    Origin
     
    mid 19th century: from Lynch's law, early form of lynch law ‘the practice of killing an alleged criminal by lynching,’ named after Capt. William Lynch, head of a self-constituted judicial tribunal in Virginia circa 1780.
     
    • www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lynch
       
       
      to kill (someone) illegally as punishment for a crime. Full Definition of LYNCH. transitive verb. : to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal ...

    • Lynch | Define Lynch at Dictionary.com

      dictionary.reference.com/browse/lynch
       
      to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority. Origin Expand. 1825-1835. 1825-35, Americanism; v. use of lynch in lynch law.
       
  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:20:32 PM PDT · 621 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You are not an adequate judge of the state of my credibility before or after this thread no matter how much you might wish to be.

    Oh?



    Matthew 7:15–20 (KJV):

    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them."

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:17:13 PM PDT · 620 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    ...the Eucharist preserves us from future mortal sins.

    Oh?

    A rational person would conclude, "Well; I don't have to do THAT any more!"

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:14:54 PM PDT · 619 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    Is it the Holy Spirit who encourages you to refer to Christ's mother as "whats-her-name"?

    I think it must be; who ELSE would encourage ME to refer to the FALSE image that the Catholic Church has created instead of the TRUE mother of Jesus; as "whats-her-name".

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:12:29 PM PDT · 618 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    “But, unless we have Jesus, we cannot give Him; that is why we need the Eucharist.”

    Huh?

    Tend the poor; and leave logic to other folks.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:11:27 PM PDT · 617 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Because it is a woman’s name, however, and for other reasons not about me, I tend to forget.

    HMMMmmm...

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:10:04 PM PDT · 616 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You make it sound like Elsie actually has proof that the Devil gave orders to popes yet it has already been shown that Elsie can’t post any such thing and, of course, none in fact exists.

    Amazing that you KNOW everything!

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:09:16 PM PDT · 615 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You make it sound like Elsie actually has proof that the Devil gave orders to popes yet it has already been shown that Elsie can’t post any such thing and, of course, none in fact exists.

    You are correct.

    It's entirely different than the 'proof' shown to PROVE that...

    "Luther said he chatted with the Devil. "

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:06:32 PM PDT · 614 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    (Free Republic is addicting for me),

    At last!!!

    A thing I can agreely whole heartedly with!!

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:05:20 PM PDT · 613 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    I’m just experienced with anti-Catholics on FR.

    Stay on the correct side of the fence when you poke at the angry dog.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:03:33 PM PDT · 612 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Defending the Christian faith is a Christian thing. Perhaps that’s why you don’t do it.

    You should try it; instead of...

    ...defending the CATHOLIC faith is a CATHOLIC thing.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:02:09 PM PDT · 611 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You could be the next pope; for with all these typos and other problems; you're proven to be 'just a man' like those EVIL popes were.
  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 2:00:23 PM PDT · 610 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Absolutely, and that’s why I know they are just men and not the Church.

    Just like the rest of your 'saints' - just men.

    Oh; that Luther guy was NOT a man: he was the DEVIL incarnate!

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 1:57:28 PM PDT · 609 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Jesus never chatted with Devil. The Devil tempted Jesus and Jesus rejected his temptations. There’s a difference.

     


    'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
    ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

    'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

    'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 1:55:58 PM PDT · 608 of 660
    Elsie to CynicalBear
    Great job! Thank you for posting that.

    We must really thank our Catholic united brethren for saving it all to begin with.

    The MORMONs have learn to seek out the bad non-faithbuilding historial stuff and lock it away; deep underground Temple Square.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/20/2014 1:53:27 PM PDT · 1,130 of 1,131
    Elsie to metmom

    It’s the weekend: time for the other life...

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:25:59 AM PDT · 561 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    That’s okay. I won’t read the rest of your post.

    We know; but there just might be some mis/un informed lurkers here that are not so close minded.

    They'll surely look at ALL the evidence before making a judgment call.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:24:35 AM PDT · 560 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Jesus and Satan never agreed.

    Apparently Luther and Satan did:

    Where is the finger chopping off part?

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:22:22 AM PDT · 559 of 660
    Elsie to RegulatorCountry
    My paternal grandparents were Primitive Baptist, maternal were Moravian.

    I have no clue.

    I grew up in this country; absorbing whatever the culture told me about 'religion' and GOD.

    Oh; I'd attended some services as a kid and even went to VBS a few times; but I can recall NOTHING that stuck in my brain from these experiences.

    Yet; here I am today.

    The Hound of Heaven was faithful in His pursuit and capture of me.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:19:01 AM PDT · 557 of 660
    Elsie to boatbums
    Why does it seem many Roman Catholics are so gullible that they'll believe anything as long as it makes them look good and the Reformers bad?

    Low self esteem?

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:18:24 AM PDT · 556 of 660
    Elsie to RegulatorCountry
    I was waiting for someone to point that out to our dear, bombastic vlad, lol.

    Yup; I shudda read ahead once again.
    But if I do; this fast moving thread would become a type of Zeno's paradox to me...

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:15:56 AM PDT · 554 of 660
    Elsie to BlueDragon
    "Who do you say that I am", He asked the many.

    And the 'many' said various things; didn't they.

    But when He asked the disciples; John boldly spoke the truth that was revealed to him by the Holy Spirit.

    And that TRUTH is what today's church is founded upon:

    As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,

     

    Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers.http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm

    Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,

    Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71

    And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that,

    “If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.

    Your own CCC allows the interpretation that, “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424), for some of the ancients (for what their opinion is worth) provided for this or other interpretations.

    • Ambrosiaster [who elsewhere upholds Peter as being the chief apostle to whom the Lord had entrusted the care of the Church, but not superior to Paul as an apostle except in time], Eph. 2:20:

    Wherefore the Lord says to Peter: 'Upon this rock I shall build my Church,' that is, upon this confession of the catholic faith I shall establish the faithful in life. — Ambrosiaster, Commentaries on Galatians—Philemon, Eph. 2:20; Gerald L. Bray, p. 42

    • Augustine, sermon:

    "Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

    Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

    Augustine, sermon:

    For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

    Augustine, sermon:

    And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

    Augustine, sermon:

    Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

    Augustine, sermon:

    ...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

    Augustine, Psalm LXI:

    Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

    • Augustine, in “Retractions,”

    In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

    Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

    'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

    Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

    You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

    • Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

    'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

    Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

    Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

    Cyril of Alexandria:

    When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

    Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

    “For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

    “For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

    Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:11:51 AM PDT · 553 of 660
    Elsie to BlueDragon

    Funny shaped ‘cone’.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:11:17 AM PDT · 552 of 660
    Elsie to BlueDragon
    A person does need time to prepare themselves for reception of His Presence as can be found....

    Oh?

    Just HOW much time is needed and HOW does one prepare?

    One of your denomination's favorite verse is...

    Mark 14:22(KJV)
    And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

    ...it shows no such thing.

    Here's the bread, boys! Eat it.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:01:45 AM PDT · 550 of 660
    Elsie to BlueDragon
    -- with lots of huffing and puffing and bluffing ...

    He ain't blowed the door down yet!

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 5:00:33 AM PDT · 549 of 660
    Elsie to vladimir998
    I only participate in Christian things.

    And yet here you are; babbling away on FreeRepublic...

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 4:59:28 AM PDT · 548 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    The Eucharistic Miracles are proof ...

    Yup; they sure are!!!


    2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 (KJV)
    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 4:53:55 AM PDT · 547 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    Caww, if Jesus didn’t leave himself with us on the earth after he died, we’d all be dead ourselves long ago.

    MORE Catholic fantasy?

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 4:53:12 AM PDT · 546 of 660
    Elsie to mlizzy
    And regarding your Bible chapters, have you ever been to a Catholic Mass? We hear/read Scripture every day!

    And regarding your Bible chapters, have you ever been to a MORMON service? They hear/read Scripture every Sunday!

    So do Jehovahan Witnesses!

    And probably them Satanists, as well!


     
    Mark 4:15
     
    And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
     
     
     
    Matthew 4:6
     
    And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.