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  • A Chubby North Korean Dictator Brings Free Speech to a Halt

    12/18/2014 10:29:42 AM PST · 46 of 53
    Elsie to doug from upland

    too late

  • A Chubby North Korean Dictator Brings Free Speech to a Halt

    12/18/2014 10:28:05 AM PST · 45 of 53
    Elsie to Brother Cracker
  • A Chubby North Korean Dictator Brings Free Speech to a Halt

    12/18/2014 10:25:22 AM PST · 44 of 53
    Elsie to ImJustAnotherOkie
    It takes time to gather 300tb of data without being noticed.

    No; it doesn't.

  • A Chubby North Korean Dictator Brings Free Speech to a Halt

    12/18/2014 10:23:47 AM PST · 43 of 53
    Elsie to Kaslin
    A Chubby North Korean Dictator Brings Free Speech to a Halt

    Nah... brought lack of gonads to light.

  • Mexican Catholics Lose Religion in the USA

    12/18/2014 10:22:16 AM PST · 74 of 74
    Elsie to miss marmelstein
    That said, I rarely understand what the hell you’re saying.

    You're Catholic; right?

  • Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

    12/18/2014 9:55:29 AM PST · 2,488 of 2,496
    Elsie to Mrs. Don-o
    2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

    Isn't there something like this in the CCC?


    All Tradition is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

  • Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

    12/18/2014 9:54:18 AM PST · 2,487 of 2,496
    Elsie to Mrs. Don-o
    Makes a good tagline.

    I can see why YOU would say this! ;^)

  • Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

    12/18/2014 9:53:31 AM PST · 2,486 of 2,496
    Elsie to Mrs. Don-o
    Bothers me when anybody rejects Catholic faith and morals

    I accept ALL of your Catholic faith and morals!

    (That can be found in the bible.)

  • Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

    12/18/2014 9:52:01 AM PST · 2,485 of 2,496
    Elsie to nicmarlo

    YES!

    Down right scary!

  • Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

    12/18/2014 9:51:26 AM PST · 2,484 of 2,496
    Elsie to nicmarlo
    Judgment Seat of Christ....where rewards of given, based on our works which are judged as by fire.

    I've got WAY too much Berean DNA in me to accept this without some references.

  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:49:12 AM PST · 61 of 61
    Elsie to Normandy
    Adam and Eve rejoiced when they understood that there was a plan of redemption prepared for them

    They DID?

  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:48:30 AM PST · 60 of 61
    Elsie to Normandy

    My milk glass is nearly empty; where’s the meat?

  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:47:35 AM PST · 59 of 61
    Elsie to Normandy
    So we are 100 per cent reliant on Christ for our salvation.

    Then a WORTHY Mormon - a good Christian - would have a VERY good reason for ignoring what was posted to him in #39; right?

    I, for one, would like to hear it.

  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:45:50 AM PST · 58 of 61
    Elsie to Normandy
    I fully agree with Paul there.

    Do you agree with what Mormon Living Prophets say?

  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:45:10 AM PST · 57 of 61
    Elsie to delchiante
    Maybe not being a Christan is not a bad thing if being a christian means believing Rome’s gospel version.

    This sounds quite MORMONlike.



    Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
     


    Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
    Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
     
     
     
    Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
     
     
     
     
     
    Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
    , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
     
     
    President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
     
     
     
    James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
     
     
     
    President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
     
     
     
    More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
     
     
     
    President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
     
     
    President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).
  • Moroni From the Realms of Glory

    12/18/2014 9:42:37 AM PST · 56 of 61
    Elsie to delchiante
    I suspect you will be the brunt of attacks from brothers and sister in the faith of Jesus. Will probably say you aren’t christian.

    This one will say, "What about the OTHER stuff you believe and are so seemingly reticent to talk about?"

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:40:24 AM PST · 1,838 of 1,858
    Elsie to Resettozero

    You’ve made Rahab cry!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:38:17 AM PST · 1,836 of 1,858
    Elsie to ADSUM
    I am very concerned for any number of people that I know that may not reach Heaven.

    As we all are; or at least should be.

    We prots try to lead them to Jesus - directly.

    We do not try to get them to 'come to church' or 'our church has the truth' or 'Mary; please touch their heart'.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:36:06 AM PST · 1,835 of 1,858
    Elsie to ADSUM
    I stated that it was my personal opinion, my observations, my experiences.

    To which we prots reply with scripture.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:34:46 AM PST · 1,834 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    I don’t think she is dead, why is that so hard to understand?

    We get this; but WHY do you believe it?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:33:28 AM PST · 1,833 of 1,858
    Elsie to Resettozero

    Bright object!


  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:32:05 AM PST · 1,832 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    I made that statement in love and charity...

    Keep up your good work.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:30:12 AM PST · 1,831 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    So....... Have a nice day?

    When I get this at the cash register, I reply: "And a wonderful forever; too!"

    There are a variety of looks I can expect in return.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:28:39 AM PST · 1,830 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    ...we are prohibited to connect the dots and call Mary mother of God...

    Honey; you can CALL her anything you like.

    Just do not try to tell us who KNOW what the bible says that the phrase is FOUND there.

    Quit acting like 5 yos!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:26:39 AM PST · 1,829 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    It is the saints who are with God

    They ain't; and she ain't.


    Hebrews 9:27 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

    We haven't had any judgement yet.

    Dead folks are 'asleep' (to use the biblical description) and AWAIT the judgement.

    Therefore NONE is in Heaven yet.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:23:05 AM PST · 1,827 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    That is kinda the point: through Mary to Jesus, not the other way around.

    And the high priest tore his robes, and said,

    "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:21:24 AM PST · 1,825 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    Aha, and what?

    4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.

    If MY dad had hear me say to my mother, "What's it to you?"

    I'd gotten the back of his hand.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:18:12 AM PST · 1,824 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    So? That is exactly the episode where when “men have well drunk” Jesus gave them more wine; that is, made them more drunk than they already were.

    No; the verse reads as follows:

    And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.

    Your little snippet (your fellow Catholics call that Cherrypicking) implies something the WHOLE sentence doesn't: that folks were DRUNK at the wedding.


    If you want your D-R translation; you can keep your D-R translation.


  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:11:53 AM PST · 1,821 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    Nothing that was received at Fatima contradicts anything in the Holy Scripture.

    You folks have been LIED to!

    That was NOT MARY; but a FALLEN ANGEL!


    Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:08:34 AM PST · 1,819 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    The first is given by the same Church that offers the Eucharist, which is CLAIMED TO BE the flesh and blood of Christ.
  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 9:07:37 AM PST · 1,818 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    I believe that anyone who has died to this life and has gone to Heaven is alive with Christ and is part of what we call the Church Triumphant.

    Of course you believe this; but you have no Scripture upon which to base it.

    If I'm wrong; I'd be more that glad to see it.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:43:12 AM PST · 1,781 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    In Romans 5 the discussion is about a different topic, original sin rather than actual sin.

    Oh?

    Who's opinion is THIS?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:42:14 AM PST · 1,779 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    I have no interest in what sundry charlatans taught,

    Then why are you catholic?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:41:18 AM PST · 1,777 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    God is not dead. Jesus is not dead. The fact that you think so explains a lot to me.

    The 'fact' that you've placed M-ry in this group says something to me as well.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:40:20 AM PST · 1,775 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    She is not dead.

    Yes; she is.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:40:00 AM PST · 1,774 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    I read what is written.

    But it appears; like the the eunuch; you don't understand.

    Where is Philip when you need him?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:38:33 AM PST · 1,771 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw

    I have an appointment with a beautiful Lady.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dresvqIg9nA

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:33:13 AM PST · 1,765 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    We don't believe that the saints are asleep.

    We believe what the Scriptures say!!!

    Psalm 13:3
    Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,
     
    Psalm 90:5
    Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:
     
    Daniel 12:2
    Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
     
     
    John 11:12-13
    His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
    Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
     

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52
    Listen, I tell you a mystery:
    We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
    For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
     

    Ephesians 5:14
    This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
     
     
    1 Thessalonians 4:13
    Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
     
  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:31:16 AM PST · 1,761 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    I don’t think God gave us a Bible so that we could club each other over the head with it.

    That's what the boiling oil was for...

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:29:36 AM PST · 1,760 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    I see miserable angry people coming after others for their beliefs rather than focusing on your own walk with the Lord.

    One cannot make this stuff up!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:27:57 AM PST · 1,756 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    The prayer is asking her to PRAY FOR US! Is that really so hard for you to understand?

    Uh... the FACT that she is DEAD?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:26:49 AM PST · 1,755 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    What’s sad is seeing how miserable Non-Catholics are. That’s sad.

    Indeed!

    It even makes kitty cry!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:25:55 AM PST · 1,754 of 1,858
    Elsie to defconw
    According to you who has absolutely no authority whatsoever.

    You are right.

    Are you ready for my list of BAD POPES that DID have authority?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:23:20 AM PST · 1,752 of 1,858
    Elsie to Grateful2God
    You can quote all the chapters and verses you want

    Yep!

    You guys believe the bible all right!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:22:39 AM PST · 1,750 of 1,858
    Elsie to metmom
    Why do you think He would resist OUR prayers?

    'Cause yer a feelthy PROTestant!!!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:21:52 AM PST · 1,749 of 1,858
    Elsie to metmom
    Praying to Mary thinking that she can bend His ear displays an appalling lack of trust in God, His promises, and His character.

    Is this like unbelief?

    John 3:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:19:18 AM PST · 1,747 of 1,858
    Elsie to metmom
    COURTESY PING TO ELSIE, which has again been negelected by a FRoman Catholic FReeper.

    Not mentioned, perhaps, but NEVER neglected!

    They come around every month to tell me that again, I owe no rent.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:17:17 AM PST · 1,745 of 1,858
    Elsie to terycarl
    only when they're misinterpreted or used entirely out of context..

    How many times have I posted THIS??



    As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,

     

    Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers.http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm

    Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,

    Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71

    And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that,

    “If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.

    Your own CCC allows the interpretation that, “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424), for some of the ancients (for what their opinion is worth) provided for this or other interpretations.

    • Ambrosiaster [who elsewhere upholds Peter as being the chief apostle to whom the Lord had entrusted the care of the Church, but not superior to Paul as an apostle except in time], Eph. 2:20:

    Wherefore the Lord says to Peter: 'Upon this rock I shall build my Church,' that is, upon this confession of the catholic faith I shall establish the faithful in life. — Ambrosiaster, Commentaries on Galatians—Philemon, Eph. 2:20; Gerald L. Bray, p. 42

    • Augustine, sermon:

    "Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

    Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

    Augustine, sermon:

    For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

    Augustine, sermon:

    And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

    Augustine, sermon:

    Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

    Augustine, sermon:

    ...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

    Augustine, Psalm LXI:

    Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

    • Augustine, in “Retractions,”

    In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

    Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

    'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

    Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

    You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

    • Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

    'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

    Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

    Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

    Cyril of Alexandria:

    When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

    Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

    “For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

    “For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

    Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:15:36 AM PST · 1,744 of 1,858
    Elsie to terycarl
    prayed through Mary and the saints...yes

    Thanks for clarifying that you DO pray to dead people.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/18/2014 7:14:40 AM PST · 1,743 of 1,858
    Elsie to annalex
    Since Jesus is God, Mary is mother of God.

    Read the Holy Gospel every once in a while...

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