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  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:16:51 AM PDT · 154 of 174
    Elsie to Cap'n Crunch
    I was talking to someone who claimed to be a “loyal and faithful” Catholic, not the peanut gallery.

    And God used an ass to get thru to Balaam...

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:15:21 AM PDT · 153 of 174
    Elsie to ravenwolf
    The Pharisee probably never even realized God was listening to every word he said but figured people were listening.


    A man had a habit of grumbling at the food his wife placed before him at family meals. Then he would ask the blessing.

    One day after his usual combination complaint-prayer, his little girl asked, "Daddy, does God hear us when we pray?"

    "Why, of course," he replied. "He hears us every time we pray."

    She pauses on this a moment, and asked, "Does he hear everything we say the rest of the time?"

    "Yes, dear, every word," he replied, encouraged that he had inspired his daughter to be curious about spiritual matters.

    However, his pride was quickly turned to humility...

    "Then which does God believe?"

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:12:31 AM PDT · 152 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Who put the volume of Scripture together? The Catholic Church.

    Who left some stuff out that was SO important that Mary had to leave her throne in Heaven and come to Earth to straighten things out?

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:11:34 AM PDT · 151 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Do you accept the Scriptures or not? Luther did until around 1517.

    Sure!

    Do I accept the way your chosen religion INTERPRETS them?

    Pretty much so; but your church is PLAINLY in error on some things.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:10:00 AM PDT · 150 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo

    These are the teachers of Christianity, preserved and passed down by the Catholic Church. It is up to you to agree or disagree.



    As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,

     

    Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers.http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm

    Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,

    Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71

    And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that,

    “If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.

    Your own CCC allows the interpretation that, “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424), for some of the ancients (for what their opinion is worth) provided for this or other interpretations.

    • Ambrosiaster [who elsewhere upholds Peter as being the chief apostle to whom the Lord had entrusted the care of the Church, but not superior to Paul as an apostle except in time], Eph. 2:20:

    Wherefore the Lord says to Peter: 'Upon this rock I shall build my Church,' that is, upon this confession of the catholic faith I shall establish the faithful in life. — Ambrosiaster, Commentaries on Galatians—Philemon, Eph. 2:20; Gerald L. Bray, p. 42

    • Augustine, sermon:

    "Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

    Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

    Augustine, sermon:

    For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

    Augustine, sermon:

    And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

    Augustine, sermon:

    Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

    Augustine, sermon:

    ...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

    Augustine, Psalm LXI:

    Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

    • Augustine, in “Retractions,”

    In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

    Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

    'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

    Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

    You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

    • Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

    'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

    Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

    Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

    Cyril of Alexandria:

    When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

    Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

    “For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

    “For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

    Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:08:19 AM PDT · 149 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    If they were wrong about one element, how can they be right on another?

    That's why the Bereans checked things out for themselves.

    It's quite a liberating concept.


    Don't trust anyone over thirty ...

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/28/2015 4:07:03 AM PDT · 148 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    If they were wrong about one element, how can they be right on another?

    Really?

    Have YOU ever been wrong about something?

    Did that make EVERYTHING you ever did wrong as well?

    Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 4:01:03 AM PDT · 456 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Sorry, but you don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a “cop-out” about a religion that isn’t yours.

    And you have the AUDACITY to JUDGE Protestants!

    Amazing!!!

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 4:00:17 AM PDT · 455 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    They were not taught to worship anyone other than God.

    It seems like someone was 'taught' that there is ANOTHER mediator between man and GOD; in direct conflict with what the Bible states.

    Thus, when he prays the rosary, he asks for Mary’s prayerful help, her intercession, before Christ’s throne.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:57:47 AM PDT · 454 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    He knows Mary intercedes for us, but did not create grace and does not control the universe.

    How can he know this?

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:56:28 AM PDT · 453 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    ...because the Bible says no such thing and none of the verses you posted claim that either.

    The standard response when it's plain as day...

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:53:32 AM PDT · 452 of 529
    Elsie to boatbums
    The objection all along has NOT been about who Muslims "profess" to believe in but that the RCC regards Muslims with "esteem" and agrees that Catholics worship the same god as they do. Until this error is dealt with, we could continue to play semantic games and NEVER get to the point. Christians DO NOT worship the same god as Muslims, no matter who they profess him to be. The false god, Allah, is NOT Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - the only true God.

    This seems vaguely Masonic.


    As long as a member believes in some type of Supreme Being; the organization doesn't really care WHO or WHAT it is.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:49:50 AM PDT · 451 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    The simple point is that all the people attacking the Catholic Church here ALSO profess to believe in the God of Abraham - and Muslims do too.

    If it's so simple; why the constant badgering about it?

    It's been shown the the MUSLIM concept of GOD of Abraham is NOT the same as our C&P concept.

    I'd think CCC841 needs an addendum that states:

    "841A The Church's relationship with the PROTESTANTS. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Protestants; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:44:27 AM PDT · 450 of 529
    Elsie to ealgeone

    ...I was forced to remove them by the Admin Moderator.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:42:54 AM PDT · 449 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Do you profess to believe in the God of Abraham?

    Genesis 20:2
    and there Abraham said of his wife Sarah, "She is my sister." So King Abimelech of Gerar sent for Sarah and had her brought to him at his palace.

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:38:51 AM PDT · 254 of 266
    Elsie to Iscool

    IIRC, Joseph (the OT one) didn’t fare too well with HIS brothers, either!

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:37:15 AM PDT · 253 of 266
    Elsie to Iscool
    There is no way the Greek word for sister could mean any other thing than, sister...


    The usual word in the Greek language for “brother” is adelphos.


    Philadelphia: the city of Brothery Love


    Well; it COULD mean: the city of COUSINLY love; too!

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:31:25 AM PDT · 252 of 266
    Elsie to Popman
    Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    I guess Rome's Mary is NOT the second EVE!

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:29:43 AM PDT · 251 of 266
    Elsie to Popman
    So if Mary was no sinless and exempt from original sin, would not having sexual intercourse after giving birth of the Lord, be a contradiction ?

    Well...

    ...if sexual intercourse is considered SIN; you might be right.

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:27:14 AM PDT · 250 of 266
    Elsie to MHGinTN
    You used the Mother of Jesus as your fob to ridicule the Catholic concept of His Mother.

    Catholicism has used the Mother of Jesus as the starting point to create the Catholic concept of His Mother: a blatantly inaccurate picture.


    All the "she's not portrayed that way in the BIBLE" doesn't seem to penetrate the thick layer of Roman indoctrination that Catholics cling to; so I resort to a ball bat to get their attention.

    As you've seen; many heads explode when alternative, ACCURATE descriptions of the woman Rome built are used.


    I just find it strange that a Protestant would want me to QUIT pointing this out.

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:18:26 AM PDT · 249 of 266
    Elsie to MHGinTN
    You used the Mother of Jesus as your fob to ridicule the Catholic concept of His Mother.

    Who ELSE would I use??


    Pleading ignorance is not really convincing, especially from one as intelligent and scholarly on the Bible.

    I have?

    I'm pleading PURPOSE.

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/28/2015 3:15:35 AM PDT · 248 of 266
    Elsie to imardmd1
    God is first above all holy (righteous)

    This is pretty close; But I'd say above all;

    God is God!


    Tell them I AM sent you...

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 3:05:19 PM PDT · 415 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    “Unless you can link to a post where I said you WORSHIPPED her.”

    Oh, so you’re saying Catholics don’t worship Mary?

    You are damningly frustrating!!!

    You've got your 'Flit like a butterfly' down pat; but your 'Sting like a bee' needs a LOT more work!

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 3:02:43 PM PDT · 413 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You agree with Muslims in that you profess belief in the God of Abraham.

    I DO?

    Step up to the plate and show some evidence; please.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 3:00:36 PM PDT · 133 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Rather, He left it to His Church to decide.

    And it 'decided' that a bunch of stuff SHOULD have been 'scripture' but somehow it wasn't included.

    Therefore, Mary herself had to visit earth and get the data included.


    I wish on one of her future trips she'll bring us some unicorns!

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:58:12 PM PDT · 132 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Further, the author is a believer in the philosophy of Sola Scriptura, which is not found in the Bible.

    Feel free to post your sources of TRADITION




    NIV Matthew 2:5
    "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

    NIV Matthew 4:1-11
    1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
    2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
    3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
    4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
    5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
    6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
    7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
    8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
    9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
    10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
    11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    NIV Matthew 11:10
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

    NIV Matthew 21:13
    "It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

    NIV Matthew 26:24
    The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

    NIV Matthew 26:31
    Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

    NIV Mark 7:6-7
    6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

    NIV Mark 9:11-13
    11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
    12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
    13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

    NIV Mark 11:17
    And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

    NIV Mark 14:27
    "You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

    NIV Luke 1:1-4
    1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
    2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
    3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
    4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

    NIV Luke 4:17-19
    17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
    19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

    NIV Luke 7:27
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

    NIV Luke 10:26
    "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

    NIV Luke 18:31-33
    31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
    32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
    33. On the third day he will rise again."

    NIV Luke 20:17-18
    17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
    18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

    NIV Luke 21:22
    For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

    NIV Luke 22:37
    It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

    NIV Luke 24:44-47
    44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
    45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
    46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
    47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    NIV John 2:17
    His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
     
    NIV John 6:31
    Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

    NIV John 6:45
    It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

    NIV John 12:14-16
    14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
    15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
    16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

    NIV John 15:25
    But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

    NIV John 20:30-31
    30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
    31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

    NIV Acts 1:20
    "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

    NIV Acts 7:42
    But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

    NIV Acts 13:29
    When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

    NIV Acts 13:32-33
    32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
    33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

    NIV Acts 15:15-18
    15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
    16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
    17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
    18. that have been known for ages.

    NIV Acts 23:5
    Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

    NIV Acts 24:14
    However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
    and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

    NIV Romans 1:17
    For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

    NIV Romans 2:24
    As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

    NIV Romans 3:4
    Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

    NIV Romans 3:10-12
    10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
    12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

    NIV Romans 4:17
    As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

    NIV Romans 4:23-24
    23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
    24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

    NIV Romans 8:36
    As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

    NIV Romans 9:13
    Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

    NIV Romans 9:33
    As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

    NIV Romans 10:15
    And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    NIV Romans 11:7-10
    7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
    8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
    9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
    10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

    NIV Romans 11:26-27
    26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
    27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

    NIV Romans 12:19
    Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

    NIV Romans 14:11
    It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

    NIV Romans 15:3-4
    3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
    4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

    NIV Romans 15:7-12
    7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
    8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
    9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
    10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
    11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
    12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

    NIV Romans 15:21
    Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
    For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
    Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
    However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

    NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
    19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
    20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
    Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
    For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

    NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
    Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
    These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
    In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
    So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
    When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

    NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
    13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
    14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
    13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
    14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

    NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
    as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

    NIV Galatians 3:10
    All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

    NIV Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

    NIV Galatians 4:22
    For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

    NIV Galatians 4:27
    For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

    NIV Hebrews 10:7
    Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

    NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
    But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

    NIV 2 Peter 3:16
    He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    NIV 1 John 2:12-14
    12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
    13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
    14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:56:31 PM PDT · 131 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Consider how many different interpretations are given by non-Catholics on John 6, and why it doesn’t mean what it says.

    Simple question: direct answer...


     

    John 6:28-29

    Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

    Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:54:52 PM PDT · 129 of 174
    Elsie to Cap'n Crunch
    If you think those things are “made up” you don’t belong in the Catholic Church and you certainly don’t know the Faith.

    Honest!

    We ain't makin' this up!!

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:51:34 PM PDT · 128 of 174
    Elsie to ravenwolf

    Abishag the Shunammite

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:50:34 PM PDT · 127 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    The teaching of the Catholic Church is that there were no step children, or natural children, except for Jesus.

    We understand that is Rome teaching.

    We also understand that the Bible indicates something different.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:49:21 PM PDT · 126 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    Again, this argument is an ancient heresy.

    Wave the imperial hand.

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:48:20 PM PDT · 125 of 174
    Elsie to SpirituTuo
    The notions that Mary was not a perpetual virgin, as well as additional children (step or otherwise), were around and refuted in the 8th century.

    Only 800 years?

    HMMMmmm...

  • Why Rome Can Only Appreciate, Rather than Prove the Immaculate Conception

    03/27/2015 2:46:11 PM PDT · 124 of 174
    Elsie to CynicalBear
    Ambassadors of Christ
  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/27/2015 2:43:23 PM PDT · 222 of 266
    Elsie to terycarl

    OK...

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/27/2015 2:42:37 PM PDT · 221 of 266
    Elsie to terycarl
    ...they were step children...

    And you are SURE of this...

    ...how?

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/27/2015 2:41:39 PM PDT · 220 of 266
    Elsie to imardmd1

    I think this requires a vehicle of some kind.

    Little Johnnie desperately wanted a bright red wagon for Christmas.

    His friends were writing letters to Santa Claus, but Johnnie decided to go one better.

    “Dear Jesus,” he wrote. “If I get a red wagon for Christmas, I won’t fight with my brother Hank for a year.” Then Johnnie thought, Oh, no, Hank is such a brat, I could never, ever keep that promise. So Johnnie threw away the letter and started again.

    “Dear Jesus, if I get a red wagon for Christmas, I will eat all my vegetables for a year.” Then Johnnie thought, Oh, no, that means spinach, broccoli and asparagus. Yuck! I could never ever keep that promise.

    Suddenly Johnnie had an idea. He went downstairs to the living room. From the mantel above the fireplace, he grabbed the family’s statue of the Virgin Mary. Taking the statue to the kitchen he wrapped it in newspapers and stuffed it into a grocery bag. He took the bag upstairs to his room, opened the closet and placed the package in the farthest, darkest corner.

    He then closed the closet door, took a new sheet of paper and wrote, “Dear Jesus, if you ever want to see your mother again...”

  • Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

    03/27/2015 2:32:15 PM PDT · 219 of 266
    Elsie to MHGinTN
    It is YOUR responsibility to show respect, but you chose to use the Mother of Jesus as your fob for your little insult to Catholicism’s misuse of the Mother of Jesus.

    Why don't you like me dissing the Catholic church's image they have created of Mary?

    Is ANY other person in Scripture allowed to be analyzed to see what ROME has done to the actual recorded 'memory' of them?

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:28:55 PM PDT · 405 of 529
    Elsie to Mrs. Don-o
    1) She prophesied that all generations would call her Blessed. It's perfectly OK, don't be afraid of it.

    whoosh

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:20:52 PM PDT · 403 of 529
    Elsie to Elsie
    Hebrews 11:10
    For he looked for a city that hath foundations; whose builder and maker is God.

    John saw that city...

    Revelation 21:2

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:19:14 PM PDT · 401 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You profess to believe in the God of Abraham.

    THIS is your reply?

    When you just got SCHOOLED with your LOGIC statement?

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:17:54 PM PDT · 400 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    You profess to believe in the God of Abraham.

    Hebrews 11 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.

    For by this the ancients obtained a testimony.

    By faith we understand that the world was framed by the word of God; that from invisible things visible things might be made.

    By faith Abel offered to God a sacrifice exceeding that of Cain, by which he obtained a testimony that he was just, God giving testimony to his gifts; and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

    By faith Henoch was translated, that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God.

    But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.

    By faith Noe, having received an answer concerning those things which as yet were not seen, moved with fear, framed the ark for the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world; and was instituted heir of the justice which is by faith.

    By faith he that is called Abraham, obeyed to go out into a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

    By faith he abode in the land, dwelling in cottages, with Isaac and Jacob, the co-heirs of the same promise.

    10 For he looked for a city that hath foundations; whose builder and maker is God.

    11 By faith also Sara herself, being barren, received strength to conceive seed, even past the time of age; because she believed that he was faithful who had promised,

    12 For which cause there sprung even from one (and him as good as dead) as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

    13 All these died according to faith, not having received the promises, but beholding them afar off, and saluting them, and confessing that they are pilgrims and strangers on the earth.

    14 For they that say these things, do signify that they seek a country.

    15 And truly if they had been mindful of that from whence they came out, they had doubtless time to return.

    16 But now they desire a better, that is to say, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for he hath prepared for them a city.

    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered Isaac: and he that had received the promises, offered up his only begotten son;

    18 (To whom it was said: In Isaac shall thy seed be called.)

    19 Accounting that God is able to raise up even from the dead. Whereupon also he received him for a parable.

    20 By faith also of things to come, Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau.

    21 By faith Jacob dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and adored the top of his rod.

    22 By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the going out of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

    23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months by his parents; because they saw he was a comely babe, and they feared not the king's edict.

    24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, denied himself to be the son of Pharao's daughter;

    25 Rather choosing to be afflicted with the people of God, than to have the pleasure of sin for a time,

    26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasure of the Egyptians. For he looked unto the reward.

    27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the fierceness of the king: for he endured as seeing him that is invisible.

    28 By faith he celebrated the pasch, and the shedding of the blood; that he, who destroyed the firstborn, might not touch them.

    29 By faith they passed through the Red Sea, as by dry land: which the Egyptians attempting, were swallowed up.

    30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, by the going round them seven days.

    31 By faith Rahab the harlot perished not with the unbelievers, receiving the spies with peace.

    32 And what shall I yet say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, Barac, Samson, Jephthe, David, Samuel, and the prophets:

    33 Who by faith conquered kingdoms, wrought justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

    34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, recovered strength from weakness, became valiant in battle, put to flight the armies of foreigners:

    35 Women received their dead raised to life again. But others were racked, not accepting deliverance, that they might find a better resurrection.

    36 And others had trial of mockeries and stripes, moreover also of bands and prisons.

    37 They were stoned, they were cut asunder, they were tempted, they were put to death by the sword, they wandered about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being in want, distressed, afflicted:

    38 Of whom the world was not worthy; wandering in deserts, in mountains, and in dens, and in caves of the earth.

    39 And all these being approved by the testimony of faith, received not the promise;

    40 God providing some better thing for us, that they should not be perfected without us.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:13:24 PM PDT · 399 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Better than bearing false witness - which is what you do every time you claim we worship Mary.

    Faulty memory is what you are showing here.

    Unless you can link to a post where I said you WORSHIPPED her.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:10:58 PM PDT · 397 of 529
    Elsie to Mrs. Don-o
    And there's no reason not to call Mary Bessed.

    I think there is a GOOD reason not to call her that: she won't ANSWER!

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:09:51 PM PDT · 396 of 529
    Elsie to Springfield Reformer

    This is an EMOTIONAL game.

    Trying to get any logic to function in it is a fool’s errand.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:08:18 PM PDT · 395 of 529
    Elsie to metmom
    I hate typing on an iPad......

    ...oh the places you will go...

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:07:23 PM PDT · 394 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998

    I see...

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:07:01 PM PDT · 393 of 529
    Elsie to af_vet_1981
    Since I have your consent to take your response as I will, I will take it as from one who has seen the truth but is unwilling to admit it.

    NOW we have another example of a Catholic filling the void with whatever emanates from their abundant heart.

    At least it can't be called mind-reading.


    But putting words into another's mouth might come purty close to describing it though.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:04:28 PM PDT · 390 of 529
    Elsie to Boogieman
    If you are trying to use that to justify the title “Mother of God”, then I think that is a pretty far stretch.

    They need a LOT less than this to 'justify' a lot of their practices.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/27/2015 2:02:35 PM PDT · 388 of 529
    Elsie to vladimir998
    Thus you cannot logically disagree with CCC 841.
     
    HMMMmmm...
    Izzat so???
     
     
     
     
    841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
     
     
     
     
     
    Who IS the Creator??
     
    John 1:3
    Colossians 1:16
     
    1 Corinthians 8:6
     
    John 1:10