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  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/19/2014 6:31:08 AM PDT · 308 of 341
    Elsie to MarDav
    ...based on a very cynical reading of the biblical text.

    If one pokes a dog with a SHARP stick; he'll try to bite you quite quickly.

    Use a dull one and you can aggravate him MUCH longer before he reacts.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/19/2014 6:28:27 AM PDT · 307 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    It certainly sounds like they expected that the Messiah would free Israel from foreign rule and protect her from neighboring foes. This is what a king DOES, see.

    Much like America today; they expect a POLITICAL solution to a SPIRITUAL problem.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/19/2014 6:27:11 AM PDT · 306 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    So it sounds like one of the things the Jews expected of their king was that he would ensure the safety of Judah and Jerusalem.

    Sounds that way, but Jesus did NOT indicate that; did He.

    No WONDER the people were aggravated that HE was NOT leading a rebellion and wanted Him killed.

    At LEAST Barabbas was a rabble rouser!

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/19/2014 6:23:19 AM PDT · 305 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    No, I addressed it in #257.

    No; you did not...


    257 posted on Friday, April 18, 2014 11:26:51 PM by A_perfect_lady
  • Perilous times for the church in America (vanity)

    04/19/2014 6:19:37 AM PDT · 57 of 62
    Elsie to ravenwolf
    Yes, that is where it all starts.

    What else do you wish to ADD?


    Acts 15

    The Council at Jerusalem
     1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

     5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

     6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

     12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

     16 “‘After this I will return
       and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
    Its ruins I will rebuild,
       and I will restore it,
    17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
       even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
    says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
     18 things known from long ago.[c]

     19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

    The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
     22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

       The apostles and elders, your brothers,

       To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

       Greetings.

     24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

       Farewell.

     30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

    Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
     36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
  • "The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View"

    04/19/2014 6:17:28 AM PDT · 27 of 27
    Elsie to yldstrk
    I don’t understand any of it.

    There are those that say they do; but I'd guess they are just fooling themselves.

    "My thoughts are not your thoughts, and My ways are not your ways" still applies.

  • "The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View"

    04/19/2014 6:15:51 AM PDT · 26 of 27
    Elsie to metmom
    But I do believe that some (most) men choose not to be redeemed.

    It appears that most would rather be Praised into Hell; than Rebuked into Heaven.

  • "The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View"

    04/19/2014 6:12:12 AM PDT · 25 of 27
    Elsie to TexasGator
    God does not feel pain.

    Yet, it is recorded that Jesus wept upon hearing the news that Lazarus had died.

  • "The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View"

    04/19/2014 6:10:59 AM PDT · 24 of 27
    Elsie to yldstrk
    All it would take from Him is a nod, why won’t He nod?

    Wait; Grasshopper: wait.

    All will be revealed in due time.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 6:06:12 AM PDT · 80 of 83
    Elsie to verga

    AMEN!

    We've been blessed WAY more than we deserve already...

    Habakkuk 3:17-18

    Though the fig tree should not blossom And there be no fruit on the vines,
    Though the yield of the olive should fail And the fields produce no food,
    Though the flock should be cut off from the fold And there be no cattle in the stalls,

    Yet I will exult in the LORD, I will rejoice in the God of my salvation.…

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 6:03:51 AM PDT · 79 of 83
    Elsie to dsc
    Gee, Father, do you think you could *get* more homoerotic?

    I'll bet that FEMALE believers don't think this way!

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 6:02:38 AM PDT · 78 of 83
    Elsie to GreyFriar
    I figure that you and I shall continue to our “separate” focus on the unity of all who follow Jesus.

    Then there are the groups whose 'jesus' does not line up with the One we all know and love.

    Mormonism has a differently empowered jesus, as does Jehova's Witnesses, The Way..., Islam... ETC.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:59:40 AM PDT · 77 of 83
    Elsie to GreyFriar
    ... I am ‘damned to hell’ because I do not believe exactly as their minister and congregation believe,

    John 3:18

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:58:57 AM PDT · 76 of 83
    Elsie to GreyFriar
    I have had people on FR tell me that I am ‘damned to hell’ because I do not believe exactly as their minister and congregation believe,

    Yes; I've heard of things like that.

    Seems the practice has been around a long time...


  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:55:15 AM PDT · 75 of 83
    Elsie to narses

    Indeed, you’ve stated it correctly; and left out all the extraneous things that a church, headquartered in Rome, manages to ‘teach’ that ALSO must be ‘believed’.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:53:35 AM PDT · 74 of 83
    Elsie to Iscool
    ...If we are not united in doctrine, we are not united...

    There's doctrine; and then there is DOCTRINE.

    And then there is a WHOLE lot of speculation.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:52:17 AM PDT · 72 of 83
    Elsie to metmom
    I know it just pushes some people over the edge when others won’t reveal their denominational affiliation, but your reason is part of why I don’t do it.

    Heck... I reveal mine all the time: Wesleyan.

    I await flames, but, surprisingly, they never seem to come.

    Oh; folks (certain ones anyway) manage to jump all the way back to Luther, and, to figuratively de-finger him and toss him in the Tiber once again; MY present affiliation escapes the wrath that is saved for ALL of Protestantism, collectively.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:47:34 AM PDT · 71 of 83
    Elsie to Salvation

    And no one can find anything but RUINS of them today...

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:46:47 AM PDT · 70 of 83
    Elsie to Kackikat
    Here is a MASS of verses, pointing out the FACT that men should listen to what's been WRITTEN...

    I've invited folks, numerous times, to make a similar list that encourages men to listen to the traditions of men; but nothing ever seems to come of it.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:45:42 AM PDT · 69 of 83
    Elsie to Kackikat
    Here is promised scripture to understand the Israelites as God sees them:


    Here is a MASS of verses, pointing out the FACT that men should listen to what's been WRITTEN...



    NIV Matthew 2:5
    "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

    NIV Matthew 4:1-11
    1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
    2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
    3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
    4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
    5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
    6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
    7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
    8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
    9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
    10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
    11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    NIV Matthew 11:10
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

    NIV Matthew 21:13
    "It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

    NIV Matthew 26:24
    The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

    NIV Matthew 26:31
    Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

    NIV Mark 7:6-7
    6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

    NIV Mark 9:11-13
    11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
    12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
    13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

    NIV Mark 11:17
    And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

    NIV Mark 14:27
    "You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

    NIV Luke 1:1-4
    1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
    2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
    3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
    4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

    NIV Luke 4:17-19
    17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
    19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

    NIV Luke 7:27
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

    NIV Luke 10:26
    "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

    NIV Luke 18:31-33
    31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
    32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
    33. On the third day he will rise again."

    NIV Luke 20:17-18
    17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
    18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

    NIV Luke 21:22
    For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

    NIV Luke 22:37
    It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

    NIV Luke 24:44-47
    44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
    45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
    46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
    47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    NIV John 2:17
    His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
     
    NIV John 6:31
    Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

    NIV John 6:45
    It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

    NIV John 12:14-16
    14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
    15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
    16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

    NIV John 15:25
    But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

    NIV John 20:30-31
    30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
    31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

    NIV Acts 1:20
    "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

    NIV Acts 7:42
    But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

    NIV Acts 13:29
    When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

    NIV Acts 13:32-33
    32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
    33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

    NIV Acts 15:15-18
    15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
    16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
    17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
    18. that have been known for ages.

    NIV Acts 23:5
    Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

    NIV Acts 24:14
    However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
    and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

    NIV Romans 1:17
    For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

    NIV Romans 2:24
    As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

    NIV Romans 3:4
    Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

    NIV Romans 3:10-12
    10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
    12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

    NIV Romans 4:17
    As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

    NIV Romans 4:23-24
    23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
    24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

    NIV Romans 8:36
    As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

    NIV Romans 9:13
    Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

    NIV Romans 9:33
    As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

    NIV Romans 10:15
    And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    NIV Romans 11:7-10
    7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
    8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
    9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
    10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

    NIV Romans 11:26-27
    26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
    27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

    NIV Romans 12:19
    Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

    NIV Romans 14:11
    It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

    NIV Romans 15:3-4
    3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
    4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

    NIV Romans 15:7-12
    7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
    8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
    9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
    10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
    11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
    12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

    NIV Romans 15:21
    Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
    For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
    Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
    However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

    NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
    19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
    20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
    Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
    For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

    NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
    Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

    NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
    These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
    In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
    So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

    NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
    When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

    NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
    13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
    14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
    13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
    14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

    NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
    as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

    NIV Galatians 3:10
    All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

    NIV Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

    NIV Galatians 4:22
    For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

    NIV Galatians 4:27
    For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

    NIV Hebrews 10:7
    Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

    NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
    But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

    NIV 2 Peter 3:16
    He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    NIV 1 John 2:12-14
    12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
    13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
    14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:43:51 AM PDT · 68 of 83
    Elsie to Salvation
    Indeed, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    AHhhh... the old, exclusive "We're Number One!!!" strikes again.

    It reads catholic, not Catholic in my book.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:41:56 AM PDT · 67 of 83
    Elsie to Kackikat
    I think the best way to understand Jesus is to know he is ‘the Passover lamb’,

    Yes. The thing John replied when he and his disciples met Jesus along the road:

    "Behold; the LAMB of GOD, who (which) takes AWAY the since of the world."

    And, at the Last Supper (Passover meal), Jesus remarked about the food (which had been consumed faithfully and ritually, once a year, ever since GOD instituted it) "THIS is my body..."

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:36:45 AM PDT · 66 of 83
    Elsie to Biggirl
    My prayer is that all who are Christians, regardless of denomination, heed the prayer of Jesus in John 17 that “all will be one.”


    Exodus 32:32-33
     But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
     

    Daniel 12:1
     “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
     
     
     
    Philippians 4:3
     And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
     

    Revelation 3:5
    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
     

    Revelation 13:8
    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
     
     
     
    Revelation 17:8
     The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
     
     
     
    Revelation 20:11-15
    "Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
     
    Revelation 21:27
    Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


    Different 'churches' argue on just HOW to get your name written there; on the page bright and fair.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:34:12 AM PDT · 65 of 83
    Elsie to Gadsden1st
    Shouldn't there be only One Church? And if so, which is it?

    There's a story told about a building event a LOOOooong time ago.

    Seems some folks were building this REALLY high tower; and...



    The same effect is still in the world today.

    People argue and fuss about IDENTICAL things, but since they use slightly different words and meanings; each think the other is wrong.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:31:19 AM PDT · 64 of 83
    Elsie to RegulatorCountry; Gadsden1st
    He both lauded and chastised each. It is no different now.


    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"
    "Why shouldn't I?" he said.
     
    I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
    He said, "Like what?"
     
    I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
    He said, "Religious."
     
    I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
    He said, "Christian."
     
    I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
    He said, "Protestant."
     
    I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
    He said, "Baptist!"
     
    I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of GOD or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
    He said, "Baptist Church of GOD!"
     
    I said, "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of GOD, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD?"
    He said,"Reformed Baptist Church of GOD!"
     
    I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915?"
    He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915!"
     
    I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
    -- Emo Phillips
  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:29:50 AM PDT · 63 of 83
    Elsie to RegulatorCountry

    You’ve explained it quite well.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:29:05 AM PDT · 62 of 83
    Elsie to Gadsden1st
    ...my numerous inquiries to Priest, Monsignors and Brothers all fell short and ultimately fell back to: “It's a matter of Faith”...

    It appears that they don't post here often.

    Usually it's "Luther was a heretic and his followers are fools."

    ;^)

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:27:34 AM PDT · 61 of 83
    Elsie to Gadsden1st

    (There seems to be a bit of snarkiness in what Paul has written here...)

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:26:08 AM PDT · 60 of 83
    Elsie to Gadsden1st
    My question is that is seems the great majority of Christians claim to follow the Bible as the Word of God. Why are there Catholics, Baptist, Lutherans, etc. etc.? Shouldn't there be only One Church? And if so, which is it?

    There's no accounting for taste.


    1 Corinthians 11:17-19

    17 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you.


    It was addressed LONG ago...


    Other translation place a difference word here:

    esv          factions
    niv          differences
    kjv          heresies
    Douay-Rheims heresies
     
     
     
  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:03:51 AM PDT · 59 of 83
    Elsie to SampleMan

    Stated it perfectly!

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/19/2014 5:03:07 AM PDT · 58 of 83
    Elsie to SeekAndFind
    We don’t need an centuries-old fragment to reveal Jesus’ wife, for we can meet her today wherever the Church resides.

    Agrred...

    Almost.



    .. wherever the C church resides.

  • Jesus Had a Wife, and Iíve Met Her: We donít need a papyrus scrap to tell us He was married.

    04/18/2014 9:22:20 PM PDT · 57 of 83
    Elsie to SeekAndFind
    Did GOD really say...?

    Nothing has changed.

  • Perilous times for the church in America (vanity)

    04/18/2014 9:19:05 PM PDT · 53 of 62
    Elsie to Biggirl
    Your opinion and nothing more.

    Opinion?

    I saw a QUESTION.

  • Perilous times for the church in America (vanity)

    04/18/2014 9:18:18 PM PDT · 52 of 62
    Elsie to ravenwolf
    How long has it been since any one has heard the Gospel that Jesus actually preached?


    John 6:28-29

    Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

    Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

  • Perilous times for the church in America (vanity)

    04/18/2014 9:13:22 PM PDT · 51 of 62
    Elsie to cloudmountain
    You quote John, a Jew and Apostle, so one would have to be a Christian...

    Satan does a pretty good job with Scripture...

  • Perilous times for the church in America (vanity)

    04/18/2014 9:12:30 PM PDT · 50 of 62
    Elsie to cloudmountain

    I see someone who wants the record of the LONGEST existing religious organization by using a narrow definition.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 9:10:48 PM PDT · 292 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    Because that is not what the Messiah was supposed to do.

    What was he SUPPOSED to do?

    (Show your work)

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 9:09:57 PM PDT · 291 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady

    Why would Paul?

    He was a Roman citizen.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 9:08:48 PM PDT · 290 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    So again, he's not saying Yes, he's saying "that is what YOU are saying." That's why Pilates doesn't sentence him to death: he doesn't make that claim, so Pilates has no proof he is breaking Jewish law.

    HAve you skipped the SCRIPTURE I posted in #254 for a good reason?

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 9:05:33 PM PDT · 287 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    There is a third option. He was a politician...

    There is a fourth option. He was an alien...

    Is it possible???

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:59:50 PM PDT · 285 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    The book of Matthew was not written by Matthew.

    Why do you think it was called the Q manuscript???


  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:57:39 PM PDT · 283 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    Strangers wrote that page.

    You trust them and not loveable ol' me?

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:56:41 PM PDT · 282 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    ... it is a new and separate religion.

    Nope; it is Judism thru and thru.

    The OLD requirements were shown for what they were: mere placeholders for the Perfect which was to come.

    Most Jews did NOT accept Jesus' teachings; Paul (or someone) and others TRIED to explain to them (book of Hebrews); but they stubbornly clung to their preconceived notions and practices - none of which could cleanse a person from SIN.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:48:38 PM PDT · 279 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady

    AHhhh...

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:46:14 PM PDT · 276 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    You merely stated this and told me to go read the Bible.

    I'm sure you tell your students to read the lesson.

    When you've accomplished this; we'll then have a little bit more material to work with.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:43:39 PM PDT · 272 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    That would really, really be helpful.

    In what way?

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:42:57 PM PDT · 270 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    But again, I don't know. He died a long time ago.


    John 3:9-18

    9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

    10 Jesus answered and said to him, Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

     

     

     

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:36:24 PM PDT · 267 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    He won't say YES or NO,


    Luke 23:3

    So Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?"

    And He answered him and said, "It is as you say." 

     

     

    Even a poor English teacher should be able to parse the above.

     

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:31:43 PM PDT · 266 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady
    It’s a collection of songs, speeches, lists, stories, legends, poems, and letters from a long-ago culture cobbled together by the Catholic church, edited and re-edited, which now exists as a relic that some people like to comb through looking for mystical signs to make their lives more interesting.

    So why are YOU wasting your time with believers?

    HAve you nothing better to do than to tell us we are all deluded?

    What harm can it do?

    If we're wrong; then we've wasted a few hours of our life.

    If you, however, are wrong, you'll be wasting a LOT more than that.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/18/2014 8:29:46 PM PDT · 263 of 341
    Elsie to A_perfect_lady

    1/3 of the way...