Posted on 09/10/2019 8:28:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Outgoing House of Commons Speaker John Bercow is not leaving Parliament without yelling "order!" just a few more times. Several of those directives came on Monday as the speaker tried to preside over the latest Brexit tête-à-tête between Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn. Tensions are getting extremely high now that the UK is about two months out from the latest official date when it will finally separate from the European Union.
Parliament is still without a deal, having rejected former Prime Minister Theresa May's agreement with Brussels an historic three times. Meaning, a no-deal Brexit is becoming more and more plausible - and more and more unnerving. On top of that, Johnson suspended Parliament for one month, meaning several amendments will not be debated. Even Bercow lashed out at that decision, calling it "executive fiat."
That brings us to Monday's debate in the House of Commons, where the MPs were arguing over whether or not to hold a snap general election. Corbyn maintains that Labour will only support an election if the no-deal option is taken off the table. As you can see, it was utter chaos.
First Corbyn lambasted Johnson for heading toward a no-deal Brexit despite the protestations of industry and business groups, trade unions, and Parliament itself. He then accused the prime minister of suspending Parliament to "avoid scrutiny."
Johnson, Corbyn charged, is "shutting down democracy" and "taking this country off a cliff" with a no-deal Brexit. Brits may have voted to leave the EU in 2016, but there is "no mandate" for no deal, Corbyn reasoned. Other MPs shouted from their seats that Johnson was a "liar" and a "thug." The Labour leader said he wishes "to tear down this reckless government."
Johnson responded with a few shakes of the head and a question: Why is Corbyn not going to Brussels to negotiate his own deal?
It's a bit quieter across the hall in the House of Lords, but no less tense. I was able to sit in on a debate over a Brexit amendment last week in the parliamentary chamber, and, believe me, the heckling was in full force.
Every Brit I talked to in London last month admitted they don't have a clue what's going to happen come October 31. Judging by what just transpired in Parliament, they're in good company.
As you can see in the British press, there were plenty more outrageous moments where these came from on Monday as MPs openly protested the prorogation of Parliament. Some sang, while others waved signs reading, "Silenced." It was unprecedented.
The UK, as of now, plans to leave the EU, with or without a deal, on October 31. Halloween.
90% are truly British.
Remember that even in 1900 the British people were mixed.
It is not a dying group
Well there were remarkable achievements but the UK was not a leading nation until it won the seven years war and took that crown from France
got it, thank you. That’s extremely helpful.
Your point about the DUP is well taken.
It can’t help but feel a little bit like their tie to the Republic is strengthened (on a relative basis) and their tie to the UK is sort of diminished......
It can’t help but feel that way.
Ethnic groups change.
What I find fascinating is that in 1077 you had in England a mix of angles, saxons, Danes, Welsh and ruled by French Norman’s. In Scotland you had the scotti, oicts, Britins from Aukd clutch what is now Glasgow area, with normans in the Edinburgh area and a bunch of Danes too.
Both these nations got created by the 14th century.
most do not want the Republic of Ireland to take over N Ireland. If the minority there do not want to be British then let them go to Ireland
Why don’t they take the Tennis Court Oath and later storm the Tower of London. Later they can decapitate the peerage and the royal family. That way, they can be just like France.
Not sure the Irish Army will be able to handle the terrorism that will follow.
They hafta figure out how to change the border.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3777391/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3777320/posts
The majority (nearly 60%) would like to join the Republic IF the UK closes off the border. The die-hard republicans are probably in single digits. The die-hard unionists are also at max 20%.
If NI goes entirely to RoI, then 20% would object strongly.
hopefully the aim would be the one country two systems approach. It gives a hard brexit and keeps the irelands borderless. Win win
So now what is the most likely scenario?
Eg
Boris sticks to his principles— goes to eu on the 17th, declines to ask for a delay.
Eu adjourns on 19th without granting a delay.
Boris hangs around brussels for a few more days.
Finally boris returns on oct. 30.
Uk slides out of eu on oct 31st
Boris tried for treason in early november
Boris held innocent of treason by reason of sovereignty of pm (i am making this up but whatever) — late december.
You can’t obey the referendum of the people!!! That’s shutting down democracy!!
I realize that oversimplifies it (not a direct democracy, the referendum was poorly worded and vague, etc.). But at its core, that is what Corbyn is shouting.
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