Posted on 09/10/2019 6:42:58 AM PDT by Enlightened1
“The property owner is sorta god on their own property,…”
That’s a bold statement considering that, while you personally may have paid for your property in Kentucky, the land that is now Kentucky was taken by conquest from Europeans and Natives (who took it from each other).
“If one disagrees with their rule, they have the option of not going there.”
That can cut both ways.
Theoretically, Bloomberg could buy all the retail stores in a small town that he never visited let alone lived in, and ban firearms in those stores contrary to the wishes and common practice of the residents. It might even be legal in some places, though I don’t believe it would be right.
My neighbors and I have an intangible property interest in our community. If an outsider comes it’s preferable that the outsider assimilate to us rather than forcing us to his will. If the outsider wants to force us to his will, he’s more than welcome to go elsewhere.
Please, just think this through.
People have a right to free speech. But if a guy walks into a barber shop and starts rambling on and on about politics, or using bad language, does the owner not have a right to boot him out if he doesn’t shut up?
Same thing with guns. I get to tell people what rules of mine they have to abide by if they don’t want to be booted off my property.
And the key is that it is MY property.
Regarding the CC without the owner’s knowledge, I’m not saying I’m willing to violate their rights. I’m merely pointing out that they have to KNOW you are violating their rules before they decide they want you off their property.
>>>Do you draw from concealment, breaking the law in that case by drawing down on a couple of kids on their way to church?<<<
Drawing from either an IWB (concealed) Holster or an OWB (open carry) Holster could fit your scenario as far as breaking the Law.
Now, if you are saying that drawing from an OWB Holster is faster, you may be correct, but your Post doesn’t indicate that is your point.
One point, I know they make OWB Holsters that completely conceal a Firearm (look like a square fanny pack) and then they have those cool two Shot (derringer) Pistols that resemble a Cell Phone.
Texas rules :)
He should have told the cops after they said he was not breaking the law that he would continue his shopping. He also should have NEVER signed that form, that was stupid and dumb.
Theoretically, Bloomberg could buy all the retail stores in a small town that he never visited let alone lived in, and ban firearms in those stores contrary to the wishes and common practice of the residents. It might even be legal in some places, though I don’t believe it would be right.
My neighbors and I have an intangible property interest in our community. If an outsider comes it’s preferable that the outsider assimilate to us rather than forcing us to his will. If the outsider wants to force us to his will, he’s more than welcome to go elsewhere.
They LIERALLY did, to a town called Antelope, OR, exactly what you are talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram
In the US, when you purchase property, you can control who is allowed on it and you can create rules and prohibit people from violating those rules, enforced by requiring them to leave the property.
Even if they are stupid rules.
Even if they appear to violate a person’s constitutional rights. They only REALLY violate their rights if you don’t allow them to leave the property.
“But if a guy walks into a barber shop and starts rambling on and on about politics, or using bad language, does the owner not have a right to boot him out if he doesn’t shut up?”
Sure. The guy is creating a public disturbance with his speech.
I’m not sure about violating the guys free speech rights there, but I’m sure the barber’s private property rights don’t trump the guys free speech rights to say “No” if the barber makes a sexual advance toward him. The barber may kick him out for it, but the guy has a free speech right to say “No.”
All I’m saying is that Property rights don’t always trump other rights; I’m not saying that they never do.
“Same thing with guns.”
I disagree with that. Carrying a gun is not necessarily creating a public or private disturbance, especially if it’s not seen, most especially if it’s not heard.
I disagree with that. Carrying a gun is not necessarily creating a public or private disturbance, especially if it’s not seen, most especially if it’s not heard.
Disturbances are subjective. Walking on a beach in a string bikini is not considered creating a public disturbance. Wearing it while shopping in Costco IS. :)
Yes. Drawing at all is the problem in that scenario, and completely unnecessary if you’re open carrying.
Walmart thinks an 18-year old can drink, screw, vote, fight and die...but forget about buying tobacco or "boolets" as the media says.
Cops not in uniform do.
I am not opposed to open carry, generally. I do see a huge difference between a handgun carried discreetly and going to Walmart or strolling around the neighborhood all jocked up with a chest rig full of mags and a slung-up AR. Too many open carry zealots I’ve witnessed seem like people I’d rather not being associated with.
I prefer going unnoticed, and with my situational awareness, and where I live, I am not hampered by carrying concealed. If you feel the need to advertise your willingness to throw down, by all means carry on. I will say, there are people out there who won’t see your gun as a deterrent, but a challenge.
You’re wrong.
Let it go.
So you don’t, got it. If you ever decide to play Billy Badass for real, please get some training first. You’ll be “that guy,” but you’ll hopefully learn something. If not, the rest of the class will.
And I say, put your money where your big mouth is.
Start naming them off. A list of ONE should do... Selected for violence because they were open carrying... Just one case.
Yes, I carry in an OWB holster on my hip.
In general terms, I live where the Constitution is respected
Why is it you genteel socialists always want to move the goalposts?
From open carry is Stoopid to all jacked up with a chest full of mags in 3 easy posts.
Posturing liar.
Funny, I think the same about you. Like I said, if you feel it necessary to broadcast how dangerous you think you are, rock on with your bad self.
You “think”...
I’ve shown evidence.
The Constitution is between the government and the people.
It restricts what the government can do. It says nothing about what private individuals can do.
I can restrict you from bringing firearms onto my property.
I can restrict your speech on my property.
This is a fundamental principle of our society. It shocks me that someone at this site would not understand this.
Please explain how concealed carry violates your 2A rights.
Any arbitrary restriction is a violation of 2A. As the well-known gun rights philosopher and NRA board member, Ted Nugent, says: The second amendment IS my carry permit. Maggot!
Okay I added the "maggot" part, but he did say the first part.
As Ben Shapiro would say, I don't care about your "feeling" that open carry is offensive and might hypothetically cause crowds of millennials to stampede, killing minorities, small children and animals. Your "feelings" are a product of your deficient education and snowflake upbringing. It's sad, really sad that you are so Woke you can't imagine someone not being ashamed of exercising their 2nd amendment right to openly carry a firearm.
The way I see it, people with common sense quietly PREPARE OURSELVES for any *scenario* that could arise, but *quietly* go about our business without drawing attention to ourselves.
The 2A is designed to guarantee the citizenry the right to rise up against abuses by a tyrannical government. Exercising the right to carry, both concealed and openly, is how we confront those who might restrict our rights before succeeding generations lose the ability to remember why we have them.
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