Posted on 05/29/2019 8:29:12 PM PDT by NorseViking
And i'm pointing out that the Scots voted in the advisory referendum at 62% that they didn't want to leave the EU.
That opinion was completely ignored. But their MP's voting rights were not ignored
It would be best for all concerns if Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU - perhaps taking the UK's seat. At the same time letting NI join RoI.
Then England+Wales gets the no-deal Brexit that 53% to 55% want and everyone is momentarily happy
I’m not sure your realise just how small Scotland is in terms of GDP and population size compared to England. The population of London alone at 8 million people is larger than Scotland’s population of 5.4 million. Altogether with the rest of the UK their population size accounts for around 8% of the population and a similar level of the UK’s gdp. In addition, Scotland’s sparse population and the widely scattered nation of the population outside the central belt (Glasgow and the aread all the way up to Edinburgh) means that maintaining infrastructure is more expensive per head than England, and they are a net drain on the public purse, not a benefit. Northern Ireland is also a money pit and a chronic liability. If the UK could cut these areas loose there would be a net benefit to the public purse.
The UK is closer to parity with the US than Scotland is to England.
A Scots person’s vote was equal to an English person’s vote. A British citizen is a British citizen, there is no such thing as an ‘English citizen’ or a ‘Scottish citizen’. We are all British, and our votes were equal. when it comes to parliamentary elections however, Scottish constituency sizes are smaller each person’s vote in Scotland accounts for slightly more because their votes are not diluted as much as they are in England. Saying Scotland’s ‘voice’ was ignored is kind of like saying London’s voice was ignored, because they predominatnly voted for remain too.
Of course I realize and mean figurally.
They want independence from the UK while tugging their forelocks to Brussels.
SNORT.
Articles 11 and 13 suggest otherwise.
Same here.
Last I checked, they’d need London to consent to any transfer of power. We’ll see if London consents so soon after a previous referendum. I doubt it.
What? Scotland only has 5 million people and is poorer than England. I think you grossly overstate Scotland’s size and importance.
If The UK did consent to letting them go, England would be relieved of the burden of making annual transfer payments via social welfare schemes. Also, it would considerably strengthen the hand of the Tories/Conservatives.....so there would be benefits.
This is great news. Let the weight of Scottish idiocy leave the English table. When they go it alone Boris Johnson will have enough to deal with.
Though now I just remembered - isn't the Tory party full name the Conservative and Unionist party?
You are correct. My choice of words was wrong. Perhaps the better choice would be that Scotland felt it should have been decided on a “nations” level.
Article 11 - “Processing which does not require identification”
Article 12 - “Transparent information, communication and modalities for the exercise of the rights of the data subject”
I work in the big data field and while GDPR does cause a lot of drawbacks, it means that your data is a lot safer in the EU than in the US, leave alone in China (ideal place for machine learning and deep learning due to the tons of data freely available — imagine that you can make Minority report REAL, but using ML over neural networks — cool, but a personal data nightmare.
UK is a tiny nation already. That’s my point.
The meme ban and link tax are not about keeping citizens’ data safe. They are about keeping the ruling class safe from its citizeney.
Yes, it is the Tory and Unionist party. Maintaining the Union is an inherent part of the Party’s ideology. During the indyref debate Scottish members of the party were expelled from the party if they campaigned or admitted to voting for independence. It is one of their core tenets. This is despite the fact that it would be politically beneficial to the Tories to see Scotland leave and economically beneficial for England and Wales (and NI too, if they decided to stay).
I wouldn’t describe it as ‘tiny’ in an economic or political sense, it is, as Cronos said, a mid-ranking power (and in the upper portion of that category). In economic terms, it is twice the size of Russia which is generally considered a great power (though not quite a superpower like the US). In military terms, in terms of power projection capability fighting a war beyond its own back yard, it is still superior to China (although that will likely change over the next 10-15 years as it brings more carriers into service and increases its naval logistical capabilities).
Never gonna happen. The Scottish leeches collect more government welfare per capita than any other country in the kingdom. They’re too heavily clamped onto England’s teat to even think about giving it up.
The UK is pretty much mid-sized. Even were they to lose Scotland and NI, they’re still decently sized in terms of population and area.
Tiny is San Marino :)
Estonia, Slovenia etc. are small but England-Wales is not small.
Once Scotland and NI leave, rUK will be a smaller state - it would be out of the top 10 by 2025 (due to slowing of the economy while others race ahead). THAT is the killer - the leave voters before the referendum were led to believe that they’d return to Empire. That’s not going to happen, but they still want to leave, so let the 48% to 52% take E-W out of the EU. No deal, no one else to blame.
The UK needs to understand that it has failed since the 1950s continuously and it is not the US or anyone else’s fault. By passing things down the road, being complacent, they have let the rest of the world race past them.
They are following the same route the Qing Empire did - “we have centuries of history behind us, you have nothing” and to an ex-Anglophile like me it is a tragedy watching the shell of a nation. It needs shock therapy to toss out the imperial past and learn that it needs to reinvent itself.
The problem is that the reinvention may result in complete disintegration, which I fear may be the net result.
Western Europe needs to put Christianity at the center of their nationalism, otherwise it is shallow nationalism. Most Polish nationalists are religious, but a large minority (ONR) are non-religious and some can be anti-religious. I point out that it makes no sense to say “I am proud to be Polish but Christianity is false” because every single nation is a social construct, and a recent one (the Poles until the 1000s were other nations, the English etc. ) - but Christ is permanent.
I doubt The UK will allow Scotland another referendum. What I really cannot see is northern Ireland wanting out of the UK. If anybody fiercely wants to remain part of the UK its them.
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