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Scotland publishes second independence referendum bill
The Guardian by MSN ^ | May 30, 2019 | Libby Brooks

Posted on 05/29/2019 8:29:12 PM PDT by NorseViking

Legislation to enable the staging of a second referendum on independence has been published by the Scottish government, as Nicola Sturgeon said another vote before 2021 would give Scotland “the opportunity to choose to be an independent European nation – rather than have a Brexit future imposed upon us”.

The framework bill, published on Wednesday morning, comes after the Scottish National party secured a record three MEPS and its highest-ever European parliament vote at 38%, boosted by Sturgeon’s clear pro-remain campaigning, in which the first minister urged voters to support her party whether or not they were pro-independence, to send a convincing message about Scotland’s opposition to Brexit.

The Referendums (Scotland) bill does not specify the date, question or referendum period, which would all be set by secondary legislation. Sturgeon has previously committed to securing the necessary transfer of powers from Westminster before holding a vote, something Theresa May has consistently stated she would refuse if requested.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brexit; libbybrooks; scotland; scotlandyet; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 05/29/2019 8:29:12 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Charge them 50B Pounds to leave if they want to join the EU.


2 posted on 05/29/2019 8:33:47 PM PDT by JMS
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To: NorseViking
...“the opportunity to choose to be an independent European nation – rather than have a Brexit future imposed upon us”.

What part of "independent" do they not understand?

3 posted on 05/29/2019 8:37:24 PM PDT by The Duke (President Trump = America's Last, Best Chance)
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To: NorseViking

When the Scots let the Pan Am bomber in for cancer treatment is when I denied my Scottish heritage. Not to mention all the other crap they have lowered themselves to. Thank God I’m American.


4 posted on 05/29/2019 8:38:47 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: The Duke

I belive you are still more independent as an EU member than as a subject of UK.


5 posted on 05/29/2019 8:42:08 PM PDT by NorseViking
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6 posted on 05/29/2019 9:06:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NorseViking

What the heck happened to the Scots?


7 posted on 05/29/2019 10:59:34 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: NorseViking

Britain should just kick them out.

I don’t get these 2 bit “nations” wanting their sovereignty and then subjugate themselves again under a bigger and more dictatorial power.


8 posted on 05/29/2019 11:09:47 PM PDT by aquila48
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And Wales:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17667325.historic-result-as-plaid-beats-labour-party/


9 posted on 05/29/2019 11:24:37 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: aquila48

Londependence (Growing)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_independence


10 posted on 05/29/2019 11:34:36 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Would London become an Islamic republic?


11 posted on 05/30/2019 1:01:31 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

I can see the merits of kicking out the Scots. They’re a festering canker of progressivism wielding a disproportionate influence over the rest of the UK, and we would left the EU on a ‘no deal’ basis had it not been for Scotch remoaner MPs contributing to a loss by one vote for allowing such a thing. Plus it would get rid of a financial liability. Win win for England.


12 posted on 05/30/2019 1:47:18 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: FLT-bird

as I said.


13 posted on 05/30/2019 2:13:11 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: The Duke

They do understand independent. Being part of the British union was good for them, but now they see that they would want to go their own path.

It was very clear to the Scots when, during the advisory referendum they voted 62% to remain but their nation’s point of view was completely ignored by the Westminster government.

In contrast they saw how the 27 other states in the union of europe had to and stayed united behind tiny Ireland (tiny in terms of % of GDP contributed and population) so that Irish concerns were the concerns for the entire union.


14 posted on 05/30/2019 2:16:18 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: NorseViking; The Duke
Most people don't seem to realize that you are still more independent as an EU member than as a subject of UK. - the EU is a loose confederation of individual nations that relies on consensus to make any decisions
15 posted on 05/30/2019 2:21:09 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos

Not to mention UK without Scotland is not really a country of any importance anymore.


16 posted on 05/30/2019 2:23:55 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: aquila48; NorseViking
I don’t get these 2 bit “nations” wanting their sovereignty

Err.. but then why would anyone support the UK for "getting sovereignty"?

Scotland is arguably a distinct nation.

And being part of the EU would give them more freedom of movement and leverage than being part of a UK outside the EU

17 posted on 05/30/2019 2:53:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

That is correct. Scotland voted 62% to remain, while England+Wales voted 53% to leave. If England+Wales gave the Scotss independence and cut ties with Northern Ireland, allowing them to unite with RoI, then England+Wales can easily get to 55% support for Leave.


18 posted on 05/30/2019 2:56:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos

It is not true that Scotland was ‘completely ignored’. If that was true, we would already have left under WTO rules. The fact that Scotland is holding us back from securing our independence demonstrates just how much they wield a disproportionate influence.


19 posted on 05/30/2019 3:04:27 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: NorseViking
I disagree with you on this -- the economy of England + Wales alone is 2.2B + 0.05B = 2.25 trillion USD

That's still in the top 10 global economies.

Scotlands GDP is $ 0.2 trillion, that's not too far off Ireland's GDP of $0.35 trillion.

England+Wales will slow down, but they would still be a middle power for the foreseen future imho

20 posted on 05/30/2019 3:06:33 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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