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President Trump on overengineering/uneeded complexity (Boeing 737-8 related)
Twitter ^ | 03/12/2019 | President Donald J Trump

Posted on 03/12/2019 12:52:10 PM PDT by Simon Foxx

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are........needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 737max; boeing; boeing737; boeing737max; complexity; engineering; kiss; overcomplex; trump
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To: Simon Foxx

Ditto automobiles.


41 posted on 03/12/2019 1:43:55 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: Simon Foxx

I think Trump is asking whether the FAA may have enough information to ground all 737 MAX airliners until the cause of the two crashes are clearly identified. It should be noted that Southwest, the largest operator of the 737 MAX 8, has never experienced any serious control problems with the plane; Boeing needs to look at Southwest’s training procedures and see if Southwest’s training procedures can be implemented for all 737 MAX operators.


42 posted on 03/12/2019 1:47:11 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: canuck_conservative

This one bothers me too. And even when they do work, the water is always COLD and never hot. How are we supposed to control infectious diseases or kill human waste germs if it is always cold? In fact they violate health codes in probably every municipality. Most require business bathrooms to have hot running water to wash with or shut the doors and not operate at all, especially every business that serves food.


43 posted on 03/12/2019 1:47:45 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: _Jim

I don’t need to keep up any further than this:

NTSC has not determined the cause of the JT610 crash.


44 posted on 03/12/2019 1:51:28 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: mylife

So, maybe this plane is their Win 8 and unlike Microsoft that can just move on to Win 10, folks gotta die ‘cause... well, it’s a plane after all.


45 posted on 03/12/2019 1:52:31 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: TalonDJ

As a retired airline pilot, I’m quite interested in the pitch problems that required automated inputs to control. Most all swept wing aircraft nowadays require yaw-dampeners that prevent “Dutch-roll” tendencies that activate automatically. This sounds like a similar system, except it counters unwanted pitch sensitivity caused by low-slung high-powered jet engines, particularly at high (take-off) power-settings.

In the US where airline pilots are both highly experienced and extremely well trained, there have been no such desasters in many years of MAX operations


46 posted on 03/12/2019 1:52:50 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Just remember, the dirty hands always touch the handles. Even after you was your hands you reach out touch the dirty handles to turn the water off.


47 posted on 03/12/2019 1:52:54 PM PDT by raybbr (The left is a poison on society. There is no antidote. Running its course will be painful. You)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Two years ago, I got a Kia Rio with an automatic transmission, radio, AC, and that’s it for extras. Keys to unlock the doors. Wind-down windows. Better than most cars for not having blind spots. No GPS or those subscription radio stations. I love it. I doubt a car this simple will be available much longer.


48 posted on 03/12/2019 1:57:09 PM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: RayChuang88
Maybe the global illegals have moved on from faking their way into obtaining commercial drivers licenses to faking their way into the pilot's seat. After all, stuff I used to think couldn't happen had already happened; I just didn't know about it then.

Just kidding here... well, what the hell. Nothing would surprise me now.

49 posted on 03/12/2019 1:58:58 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Simon Foxx
I'm still waiting for this guy.


50 posted on 03/12/2019 1:59:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: monkeyshine

Sounds to me like the plane has a design flaw. If you need a computer program to make a plane take off without crashing, then the plane is defective. This is not your father’s 737. If a pilot can’t take full control at any time, then the ship is not airworthy.


51 posted on 03/12/2019 2:00:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

A couple years ago jeep had to “quietly” recall all their new Grand Cherokees because computers kept acting weird, like suddenly dying or accelerating uncontrollably. After researching it they found the cause.

They had started using a new compound that year for the windshield wiper blades. Turns out that if you accidentally turned on the wipers while the windshield was dry this compound somehow produced enough static to cause havoc with the computer.


52 posted on 03/12/2019 2:04:02 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: TalonDJ
Your summary is exactly right. And as an avionics engineer I can say this design never should’ve made it past peer review and safety analysis. A number of people should lose their careers over that design. We will see if that happens.

I suspect you are correct on this. This is beyond a software patch or a training manual update.

53 posted on 03/12/2019 2:08:07 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Valpal1

Try programming some alarm clocks at various hotels. I just want to set the correct time for current and wake up time. Some of these damn clocks have so many unwanted features I have to spend time just figuring it out.
Worse is when the damn alarm doesn’t go off. I’m all for the KISS principle.


54 posted on 03/12/2019 2:08:29 PM PDT by tflabo (Prince of Peace, Lion of Righteousness)
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To: Openurmind

Crazy stuff.

Makes you wonder what might really be happening in the Burmuda triangle. haha


55 posted on 03/12/2019 2:12:10 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: ltc8k6

Yes, you do.


56 posted on 03/12/2019 2:14:01 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Simon Foxx

Technology Overshoot - bump for later....


57 posted on 03/12/2019 2:22:57 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Simon Foxx
I hear ya friend. I'm way past fed up with "upgrades" that offer no real new benefit that I want.

I'm still running Windows XP, and they are trying to make it difficult for me to keep doing so. My next "upgrade" is going to be moving to Linux where I don't have to keep up with what @$$holes on the West Coast think is an "upgrade."

58 posted on 03/12/2019 2:24:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: AndyJackson

+1.


59 posted on 03/12/2019 2:26:38 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: _Jim

The Ethiopian plane apparently never really gained much altitude after takeoff. Only around 1,000 feet.

That seems much different than the Lion Air incident.

The Lion Air plane also had quite a bit of work done trying to resolve problems reported.

The Ethiopian flight didn’t have any work done as no problems were reported, apparently.

I think it’s a good thing that the MCAS system is being examined and it’s use and operation clarified, in any case.


60 posted on 03/12/2019 2:27:01 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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