Skip to comments.President Trump on overengineering/uneeded complexity (Boeing 737-8 related)
Posted on 03/12/2019 12:52:10 PM PDT by Simon Foxx
Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are........needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I dont know about you, but I dont want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!
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For at least a decade I have RAILED against every unnecessary change in software systems (Windows, etc, etc) that makes upgrading (say from Win 7 to Win 10) an unecessary nightmare.
Twenty and third-something software enginees, with little life experience, are continually seeking to "one up one another" and making computer systems more and more complex. Its a minor annoyance when you have to re-learn how to run all of your PC programs - its something far, far, worse when something like the air speed/stall indicator software systems glitch, override the pilots and force the plane to fly into the ground.
G-D to he** the software "newer is always better" geeks!!!!!!!!!!!!
There. I needed to get that off my chest. Its something that has been obvious for a long, long time, BUT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
Waiting until the cause of the crash is known before speaking would be a good idea.
Right. Rue the day they invented the dial telephone.
I'm assuming Trump knows a lot more about this Boeing situation than what is being reported in the news media.
Remember when you could fix many engine problems by yourself without the help of NASA? :)
The pilots were unable to control the planes. We know that much. Boing is apparently blaming a lack of proper training.
The planes should be grounded until Boing can explain why it happened and how it can be prevented in the future.
In the interim, if its Boing, I aint going.
Heh. was just overflown by a USMC V-22 Osprey.
The very definition of complexity ...
LOL, or maybe not...Boeing must have hated that!
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Amen Mr President.
I was recently explaining to my teen the joys of setting dwell angle, timing, and adjusting carburetors.
Whow as a physicist, former submariner, involved in advanced technology all of my life, Trump drove this nail in with one hammer blow.
The behavior of complex systems is not predicated by an analysis of each step in a process because it is all too complex for such an analysis. I have seen project after project go disastersouly awry because of this.
And of course we all see this in software that started as a simple workable program (now called an app) that is in an endless do-loop of patches and upgrades because some kid decided to add one more really awesome feature.
Public washrooms: we used to have simple sink taps that you could open with a handle.
Now you’ve got some high-tech gizmo that’s supposed to detect your hands waving around and automatically turn on the water ... but half the time it doesn’t work
What was wrong with simple taps?
I heard yesterday the pilot only had 200 hours in this type of plane?
Yeah, his tweet today made me think he had already heard some insider info.
It’s never a bug, “it’s a feature” :)
We don’t have the people or the skill sets to run without more automation.
Or rather, the wages needed to have those people do those jobs are above what the industry (any industry) can support.
So we are headed to the coffin corner where the skill sets needed to make and design products cost more than they can be sold for, because we have cut margins so much.
And before you say” then pay more”, that will mean massive inflation and the cost of goods rising to the point many can’t afford them.
I deal with automation every day. There will be a crash, and soon, as we have automated so much experience out of the workforce that it will not be able to be replaced.
To put it another way, Rome’s aqueducts were built so well that everyone who knew how to do it died out without teaching the next generation how. A few hundred years later, they were viewed as magic and impossible to recreate.
An associate of mine predicts that our grandchildren will be in the dusk of a dark age. He also works on automation.
I think he is correct. The K.I.S.S. principle (keep it simple stupid) first mentioned I believe by Skunkworks’ Kelly Johnson. Make something as simple as possible, but not simpler. Less to break. Less to go wrong. Very good engineering principle.
It’s not just airplanes. Automobiles have so many overpriced features on them that new cars cost twice as much as my first home and people are financing them for 6-10 years and many can’t afford to repair them.
My point above was valid before any of the Boeing Max accidents.
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