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City fighting Christian art studio’s refusal to serve gays (Phoenix)
Ahwatukee Foothills News ^ | 09/15/2018 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 09/15/2018 1:29:44 PM PDT by aimhigh

The city of Phoenix is fighting back against a bid by a Christian law firm to get the state’s high court to conclude that businesses have a right to refuse to provide certain services to gays.

In new legal filings Friday, attorney Eric Fraser said there is no dispute about the heart of the case. “If a same-sex couple asks Brush & Nib (Studio) for custom wedding products, Brush & Nib will refuse service, regardless of the wording or design the couple wants,’’ he told the Arizona Supreme Court. And the owners of the firm would make a plain-vanilla wedding invitation listing “Pat and Pat’’ if it means “Patrick and Patricia’’ but refuse to make an identical one for “Patrick and Patrick.’’

“That’s why this case is about commerce, not speech, art, or religious beliefs,’’ he wrote. “Under settled law, the government does not infringe the freedom of speech or religion by prohibiting public accommodations from refusing service based on a customer’s race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.’’

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bakery; homosexualagenda; phoenix
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Another swamp attack.
1 posted on 09/15/2018 1:29:44 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

No one should have the right to force others to provide services against their will. It doesn’t matter the service, or the reason for it.


2 posted on 09/15/2018 1:38:59 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: aimhigh

Two Irish homosexuals

Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick


3 posted on 09/15/2018 1:40:14 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Seems to me those two have caused problems elsewhere before....hhmmmm


4 posted on 09/15/2018 1:45:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (White Privilege EQUALS Self Control & working 50-80 hrs/wk for 40 years!)
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To: Vaquero

What would be wrong with a Christian baker, photographer, etc..using simple honesty with homosexuals?

When challenged, the business owner should simply say: “ The laws says I must bake the cake, but the laws does not say it has to be my best effort.”

And

” I can not guarentee you will be pleased with the result, so I’m offering a 10% discount if you want to chance it”


5 posted on 09/15/2018 1:51:42 PM PDT by KittenClaws (What liberals lack in intelligence and/or education, they make up for in furious malevolence))
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To: aimhigh

“We force our choices on you.”

Nah...


6 posted on 09/15/2018 1:54:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 $215.71 from 50% increase in 1.2183 yrs)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
No one should have the right to force others to provide services against their will. It doesn’t matter the service, or the reason for it.

Wasn't slavery outlawed? If a shop doesn't want to make things my way, I go to a different shop. That's commerce. You get anal with a shop and they'll spit in what they're selling. And queers are experts in getting anal. Bunch of ah*les.

7 posted on 09/15/2018 1:54:59 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: aimhigh

Not guilty.

8 posted on 09/15/2018 1:55:49 PM PDT by The people have spoken (Proud member of Hillary's basket of deplorables)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

There is explicit law requiring businesses to serve different races and sexes equally. Liberals assume this law applies to gender and numerous other catefories, e.g., language spoken. But no one is brave enough to tell them they are just wrong.


9 posted on 09/15/2018 1:58:53 PM PDT by RossA
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Amen!


10 posted on 09/15/2018 2:07:43 PM PDT by yoe
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To: KittenClaws
I can not guarentee you will be pleased with the result, so I’m offering a 10% discount if you want to chance it

Just the reverse. "I'll be happy to bake that custom cake. It'll be $38,510." If that quote is $37,000 more than other bakers, it's not the baker's problem. How to approach this depends on whether the point is to make a public statement or merely to avoid participating in sin. My strategy doesn't fight the leftist gay mafia demand that decent people work as slaves, but it does solve the problem for one baker.

11 posted on 09/15/2018 2:34:21 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Just the reverse. “I’ll be happy to bake that custom cake. It’ll be $38,510.” If that quote is $37,000 more than other bakers, it’s not the baker’s problem. How to approach this depends on whether the point is to make a public statement or merely to avoid participating in sin. My strategy doesn’t fight the leftist gay mafia demand that decent people work as slaves, but it does solve the problem for one baker.


It is harder to prosecute a discount of regular rates for a VERY substandard product.

But to inflate regular rates for a homosexual could be prosecutable.

Do you see what I’m saying?


12 posted on 09/15/2018 2:38:14 PM PDT by KittenClaws (What liberals lack in intelligence and/or education, they make up for in furious malevolence))
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To: aimhigh

Lets see if the two males would go into a m*slim-owned business and try this. Obviously not, so this is planned and staged to get money and to promote the fag-agenda.


13 posted on 09/15/2018 2:39:26 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Cynicism is the only refuge in a world that is determined to eliminate itself.)
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To: Vaquero

actually, the micks are queers


14 posted on 09/15/2018 2:40:47 PM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: aimhigh

“to serve gays”

It’s a cookbook!


15 posted on 09/15/2018 2:40:50 PM PDT by Leep
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To: Telepathic Intruder; aimhigh
Misleading headline. They are not refusing to serve homosexual customers; they are refusing to supply their services for certain EVENTS. For example: a homosexuals' birthday, OK. A homosexual wedding, no.

Pretty sure that would apply to other EVENTS: a satanist wedding, a gang initiation, a nazi anniversary, a voodoo reception, etc.

16 posted on 09/15/2018 2:44:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." - Sgt. Joe Friday)
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No shoes, no shirt, no service.

Sure you can cite health reasons, but one could argue the same in the mere presence of a homosexual.

Yabut, they're clean and showered after their filthy act, so you can't cite homosexuality as a health reason.

Well, so too the shoeless and shirtless yet THAT policy is almost law.

17 posted on 09/15/2018 2:48:47 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Well, the faggots dont care about your and my perception of them. Conservatives here better wake up that they hate us and what we stand for.


18 posted on 09/15/2018 3:03:48 PM PDT by max americana (Fired libtard employees 9 consecutive times at every election since 08'. I hope all liberals die.)
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When there is only one gas station within 100 miles maybe they should not be allowed to refuse sales. This craziness of the law getting involved with who you do business with needs to stop.


19 posted on 09/15/2018 3:08:46 PM PDT by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

You have technically described “slavery”.


20 posted on 09/15/2018 3:15:28 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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