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The Origins of Our Second Civil War
NRO ^ | 31 July 2018 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/31/2018 7:01:18 AM PDT by lowbuck

Edited on 07/31/2018 8:42:48 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Globalism, the tech boom, illegal immigration, campus radicalism, the new racialism . . . Are they leading us toward an 1861? How, when, and why has the United States now arrived at the brink of a veritable civil war?

Almost every cultural and social institution

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilwar; culture; culturewars; cw2; origins; politicized; vdh
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The Origins of Our Second Civil War

Partner, I really think that the Communist/Socialists in both parties want this to happen.

Of course, they will be introduced to the joys of busting rocks in jail or hell from now till eternity.

Freepers all across the fruited plain have great comments to this thread.

101 posted on 07/31/2018 12:21:50 PM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: Persevero

I agree that the majority of GOP voters want the borders controlled, but we only have maybe 50 in the House and a handful in the Senate on our side.
The Cheap Labor Express owns most of the GOP Senators.


102 posted on 07/31/2018 12:27:41 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: lowbuck

“We are now nearing a point comparable to 1860, and perhaps past 1968.”

The poorest weren’t the most likely to be obese in 1860, weren’t the most entertained poor people ever, and weren’t used to air conditioning and sedentary lifestyles. It’s hard for me to imagine them choosing the hardship that comes with sustained civil unrest while these conditions persist.

“If in 1970 a nerd slandered one on the sidewalk and talked trash, he might not do it twice; in 2018, he did it electronically, boldly, and with impunity behind an array of masked social-media identities.”

Seems to me the 2018 nerd is sitting at home being entertained, while said nerd didn’t have that option in 1970. I wonder if the general lowering of the violent crime rate isn’t partly do to internet/video games.

Freegards


103 posted on 07/31/2018 12:33:59 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Persevero

“Obama? Or the severely irresponsible people who voted him in? I see him as more of a symptom than a disease.”

No or about it...there wlll always be charlatans but without masses of fools to vote for them they go nowhere.


104 posted on 07/31/2018 12:36:30 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SaveFerris
Hanson:

Trolling, doxing, and phishing were just new versions of what Jesus warned about in the Sermon on the Mount.

And Harrassing/persecuting, as in Maxine Waters's "They are not welcome any more, anywhere!"

Matthew 5:7:
Blessed are the merciful, for to them shall be mercy.
Blessed are those who are pure in their hearts, for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

105 posted on 07/31/2018 1:25:15 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Mozart tells you what it's like to be human. Bach tells you what it's like to be the universe)
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To: Vermont Lt
They would make useless soldiers. But at they could handle a weapon.

Some benefit to the country would occur from getting them familiarized with firearms, and more benefit would come from the other life experiences they would acquire from being in the service.

I think it would make them more responsible than they are now.

106 posted on 07/31/2018 2:05:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: xkaydet65
If the 20th century taught us anything it is that the Reds are willing to kill and to die.

Especially the earlier 20th century reds. The later 20th century reds have become more yuppiefied and pussified, and likely cannot stomach hard sacrifices. The Millenial reds are even more pathetic.

Current crop of Reds are a bunch of beta male soyboys who will likely run away if they encounter a real fight.

107 posted on 07/31/2018 2:08:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Midnitethecat
It dates back to the last one.

This is absolutely right, and I had no idea that this was the case until about three years ago.

108 posted on 07/31/2018 2:09:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SaveFerris

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/02/27/did-former-pres-george-h-w-bush-really-make-throat-slash-gesture-at-donald-trump/


109 posted on 07/31/2018 2:09:32 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Given the history, especially recent history of the Bush clan......


110 posted on 07/31/2018 2:13:51 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Not ALL of both parties. I believe the majority of republican office holders and republican voters want the borders controlled. We do have some powerful open borders republicans to deal with but the dems are like 98 percent


111 posted on 07/31/2018 2:30:34 PM PDT by Persevero (Democrats haven't been this nutty since we freed their slaves.)
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To: lowbuck

I appreciate the sentiment, but “Civil War” talk is a tad overheated. Things aren’t even as bad as they were in the 1990s, let alone the 1960s and 1970s. We aren’t even in the same ballpark as the 1850s.

If anything like the Rodney King riots, the Watts riots, the 1968 DNC, or Kent State happened today, you’d think it was the apocalypse, let alone something like Bleeding Kansas. No one in Congress been beaten half to death with a cane in the Capitol lately.

I’m as concerned about the rise of the openly-socialist left as the next guy, but we’ve been through worse. As bad as Obama was, he was nothing compared to Wilson or FDR.

I’ve been known to indulge in overheated rhetoric about the state of our politics, but I think it just empowers the left. I prefer to subject them to the ridicule they deserve, and keep winning in the ballot box as we have been.


112 posted on 07/31/2018 2:32:47 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: Persevero

You are correct about the voters, however, there are only about 50 in the House and a handful in the Senate that side with the citizens and the rule of law.
Most of the elected GOP are indeed on board the Cheap Labor Express and need to be replaced.


113 posted on 07/31/2018 2:40:06 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Vermont Lt

Maybe we should institute compulsory militia service as a condition of voting. It wouldn’t have to be too crazy: supply your own basic weapons and equipment, and train with your neighbors one weekend a month. With the popularity of mud runs, “boot camp” fitness classes, MMA, and Call of Duty, I think a lot of people are crying out for it without realizing it.


114 posted on 07/31/2018 2:40:22 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: Wonder Warthog

I disagree. It isn’t “globalism” that is at fault. “Globalism” is tied to capitalism. The correct identification is “global socialism” aka communism. The cancer of socialism, and the “cells” infected with communist-think DNA are the root problem.

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Globalist socialism and globalist capitalism have a common trait that is antithetical to national sovereignty. The state must be subjugated to a “world” or “international” order that imposes policies from the top down. Nations become to the “one world government” as U.S. states have become to our Federal government...no thanks.


115 posted on 07/31/2018 5:16:17 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: lowbuck

Damn, normally you have to do some serious drugs to see things like that...


116 posted on 07/31/2018 5:32:07 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: PLMerite

Sorry, wrong thread.


117 posted on 07/31/2018 5:33:27 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Civil War II will look like low intensity war in Northern Ireland.


118 posted on 07/31/2018 5:37:26 PM PDT by doomtrooper99 (Mr Truman, you did not finish the job)
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To: lowbuck
One cultural artifact was that as our techies and financiers became rich, as did those who engaged in electric paper across time and space (lawyers, academics, insurers, investors, bankers, bureaucratic managers), the value of muscularity and the trades was deprecated. That was a strange development. After all, prestige cars, kitchen upgrades, gentrified home remodels, and niche food were never more in demand by the new elite. But who exactly laid the tile, put the engine inside the cars, grew the arugula, or put slate on the new hip roof?

I'm going to say autonomous Lesbian communes ...

119 posted on 07/31/2018 5:39:44 PM PDT by x
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To: Bonemaker

He was a symptom.


120 posted on 07/31/2018 6:30:18 PM PDT by redgolum
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