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NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese
UK Telegraph ^ | October 17, 2017 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 10/18/2017 6:48:02 AM PDT by C19fan

The NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking, under controversial plans drawn up in Hertfordshire.

The restrictions - thought to be the most extreme yet to be introduced by health services - immediately came under attack from the Royal College of Surgeons.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; medicine; nhs; obamacarefuture; palinwasright
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To: null and void

I guess we can say that the media will always stamp anything that Sarah Palin says as NULL AND VOID!

:)


41 posted on 10/18/2017 7:47:10 AM PDT by samtheman (As an oil exporter, why would the Russians prefer Trump to Hillary? (Get it or be stupid.))
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To: samtheman

*sigh* yeah


42 posted on 10/18/2017 7:49:43 AM PDT by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: C19fan

In the great campy movie Demolition Man Denis Leary goes off on the leader Dr. Cocteau, who makes similar changes to society (the banning of everything that he deems bad for you like salt, alcohol, high sodium foods, contact sports and sex that actually requires human contact as examples), with the great rif: I’ve seen the future, it’s a 47-year old virgin sitting around in his pajamas (an early Pajama boy reference, LOL) eating a banana-broccoli shake and singing I’m an Oscar Meyer Weiner . . . you live up there you live Cocteau’s way . . . Well, once again, life starts to imitate art . . .

https://youtu.be/JizGkM6gbvQ

That’s the clip


43 posted on 10/18/2017 7:54:11 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: No_More_Harkin
Do you eat meat? Any processed foods? Should the UK ppl be forced to exist on a diet or other lifestyle regimen that they deem healthy, because to deviate is unhealthy and costs too much money?

As Active Duty military, I enjoy socialized medicine. Healthcare for myself, my pregnant wife and our three children costs me not a penny more than the gas money I spend going to the appointments.

The military can afford to provide this "free" healthcare because the risk pool is low. Most of us are under 50 and healthy and chances are good the same can be said for our spouses and children.

However, this "free" healthcare comes with the requirement that I remain fit for duty. I have to remain healthy enough to pass a physical fitness test twice year that includes a height/weight/body fat assessment. If I get fat or out of shape, I get kicked out of the Navy and there goes my and my family's free health care. So while there are no specific prohibitions on what I can eat or if I choose to smoke, it is up to me to keep in shape if I want to enjoy the healthcare that is provided to me.

44 posted on 10/18/2017 7:57:34 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: zipper

I’ll tell you ultimately where this leads. At birth, every child will be required to have a chip implanted in them in order to get health care under the government run system, which by the way will be the ONLY health care system available. This chip will be contain all of the citizens health related information. It will even be able to record what the person has consumed over some period of time. Eventually the government will determine what lifestyle a person must adhere to in order to get access to healthcare, such as is happening in the UK right now. From there it will be a short jump to denying health care due to other factors such as political beliefs, race, religious beliefs, etc. Mark my words.


45 posted on 10/18/2017 7:59:22 AM PDT by technically right
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To: ctdonath2

And who decides what is reckless and irresponsible, you? I guess you are OK with death panels, I am not.


46 posted on 10/18/2017 8:04:52 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Drew68
If the patient doesn't give a crap about their own health, why should medical professionals jump through hoops to save their lives?

If you are a "health professional" you must resign your position immediately.

Just curious, what about your family members? Would you say "tough" to them too?

If the patient doesn't give a crap about their own health, why should medical professionals jump through hoops to save their lives?

So if a motorcyclist has a wreck without a helmet, should they be treated for a head injury?

Slippery slope, meet socialist.

47 posted on 10/18/2017 8:07:06 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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To: C19fan

Notice that before things got this extreme in the NHS, they took all the guns away. Another opportunity for the genocide of your choice.


48 posted on 10/18/2017 8:08:57 AM PDT by Pecos (A Constitutional republic shouldnÂ’t need to hold its collective breath in fear of lawyers.)
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To: PTBAA

Yep. We all know this is about population control.


49 posted on 10/18/2017 8:12:23 AM PDT by ssfromla
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To: C19fan

Socialists = murderers.


50 posted on 10/18/2017 8:18:10 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: ctdonath2; Drew68

It’s acceptable to hack on smokers and the obese.

So if the government decided that people who do manual labor can’t get health care for their bodies wearing out, or that corporate execs don’t get health care because of their high stress levels (both examples of things that will kill you), you’d take the same position? People over retirement age? They’re no longer contributing, why would we want to subsidize the cost of their medical care? They’re going to die anyway.

You can have NO GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED HEALTHCARE, or you can have government controlled healthcare that robs you to pay for other peoples problems... There are no third choices.


51 posted on 10/18/2017 8:19:56 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Drew68
So while there are no specific prohibitions on what I can eat or if I choose to smoke, it is up to me to keep in shape if I want to enjoy the healthcare that is provided to me.

Under UCMJ the military can do that to you -- so you think the UCMJ or a UCMJ-like draconian system should be imposed on everyone with medical conditions, age issues, family history issues, genetic predispositions, -- that preclude or disqualify them from military service? Where do you draw the line?

Do you not see the folly of your reasoning? Never mind, the answer is a resounding NO.

52 posted on 10/18/2017 8:20:00 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Drew68's fascism is showing.

And I can say that, being a vet who served honorably.

53 posted on 10/18/2017 8:21:44 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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To: Drew68
"The military can afford to provide this "free" healthcare because the risk pool is low.

Horseshit.
The military can afford to provide your healthcare because I am paying for it at the point of a gun.
54 posted on 10/18/2017 8:26:49 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: zipper
Just curious, what about your family members? Would you say "tough" to them too?

My mom smoked and ate hear way to an early death(actually got a few extra years than most of us expected). It wasn't the doctors fault they were unwilling to work miracles. We had been begging mom to take care of herself for years to no avail.

Slippery slope, meet socialist.

Meets "anything goes" non-judmentalism.

Actually, the idea that smokers, fatties, and people who partake in dangerous activities like riding motorcycles without helmets are entitled to the same level of healthcare as those who take an active responsibility in maintaining their health negates the concept of consequences for poor decisions and benefits for good decisions.

55 posted on 10/18/2017 8:27:31 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: C19fan

How about a ban for being a practicing homosexual since that’s one of the most diseased producing activities one can engage in?


56 posted on 10/18/2017 8:28:45 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: Hugh the Scot

It also follows that the fascists who want to deny benefits based on the assumption that all medical conditions are “choices” made by irresponsible persons will also impose forced abortions to those with hereditary conditions, or use “counseling” covered under healthcare policies to take fatal elixirs to alleviate case loads on public health systems (oh wait - they already do that in Oregon and California).


57 posted on 10/18/2017 8:29:02 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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To: PTBAA; dp0622; ex91B10; No_More_Harkin; BlueLancer

Amazing how many here are attacking me from the POV that the government SHOULD be paying medical bills.

You wanna put smoke in your lungs daily and haul around an extra 150 lbs 24/7/365, go right ahead - so long as YOU pay for the consequences, directly or thru a private arrangement of an insurer (who will bill you according to your risk category). Go right ahead; but don’t make funding it _compulsory_ for others.

My problem, expressed earlier, is with people doing clearly dangerous things to their own body (_nobody_ is going to contend that smoking or obesity is good or harmless) and then DEMANDING the taxpayers fund the consequences ... and YOU 5 seem to think it’s somehow wrong for taxpayers (thru representatives) say “NO.”

I’m exercising and eating sensibly. Yes I consume meat & alcohol - moderate amounts not showing any signs of negative consequences, and which are generally considered a sensible part of a proper diet.

You gonna do bad stuff to your body, and pay for the consequences thru private arrangements yourself, have a great time.
You gonna do bad stuff to your body, and pay for the consequences by demanding taxpayers foot the bill, and get pissed off when the money isn’t there and you’re told “we don’t pay for stupid”, FOAD.

Oh, sorry, I thought this was Free Republic. I must have stumbled into Democratic Underground.


58 posted on 10/18/2017 8:29:11 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: zipper; Drew68

Thanks for your honorable service, and for helping me pay for Drew68’s free healthcare.


59 posted on 10/18/2017 8:29:29 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Drew68
Actually, the idea that smokers, fatties, and people who partake in dangerous activities like riding motorcycles without helmets are entitled to the same level of healthcare as those who take an active responsibility in maintaining their health negates the concept of consequences for poor decisions and benefits for good decisions.

Not if their rates are higher -- something else the socialist system you advocate for everyone doesn't account for.

60 posted on 10/18/2017 8:31:19 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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