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Are We Nearing Civil War?
Townhall.com ^ | June 13, 2017 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/13/2017 7:18:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

President Trump may be chief of state, head of government and commander in chief, but his administration is shot through with disloyalists plotting to bring him down.

We are approaching something of a civil war where the capital city seeks the overthrow of the sovereign and its own restoration.

Thus far, it is a nonviolent struggle, though street clashes between pro- and anti-Trump forces are increasingly marked by fistfights and brawls. Police are having difficulty keeping people apart. A few have been arrested carrying concealed weapons.

That the objective of this city is to bring Trump down via a deep state-media coup is no secret. Few deny it.

Last week, fired Director of the FBI James Comey, a successor to J. Edgar Hoover, admitted under oath that he used a cutout to leak to The New York Times an Oval Office conversation with the president.

Goal: have the Times story trigger the appointment of a special prosecutor to bring down the president.

Comey wanted a special prosecutor to target Trump, despite his knowledge, from his own FBI investigation, that Trump was innocent of the pervasive charge that he colluded with the Kremlin in the hacking of the DNC.

Comey's deceit was designed to enlist the police powers of the state to bring down his president. And it worked. For the special counsel named, with broad powers to pursue Trump, is Comey's friend and predecessor at the FBI, Robert Mueller.

As Newt Gingrich said Sunday: "Look at who Mueller's starting to hire. ... (T)hese are people that ... look to me like they're ... setting up to go after Trump ... including people, by the way, who have been reprimanded for hiding from the defense information into major cases. ...

"This is going to be a witch hunt."

Another example. According to Daily Kos, Trump planned a swift lifting of sanctions on Russia after inauguration and a summit meeting with Vladimir Putin to prevent a second Cold War.

The State Department was tasked with working out the details.

Instead, says Daniel Fried, the coordinator for sanctions policy, he received "panicky" calls of "Please, my God, can you stop this?"

Operatives at State, disloyal to the president and hostile to the Russia policy on which he had been elected, collaborated with elements in Congress to sabotage any detente. They succeeded.

"It would have been a win-win for Moscow," said Tom Malinowski of State, who boasted last week of his role in blocking a rapprochement with Russia. State employees sabotaged one of the principal policies for which Americans had voted, and they substituted their own.

Not in memory have there been so many leaks to injure a president from within his own government, and not just political leaks, but leaks of confidential, classified and secret documents. The leaks are coming out of the supposedly secure investigative and intelligence agencies of the U.S. government. The media, the beneficiaries of these leaks, are giving cover to those breaking the law. The real criminal "collusion" in Washington is between Big Media and the deep state, colluding to destroy a president they detest and to sink the policies they oppose.

Yet another example is the unfolding "unmasking" scandal.

While all the evidence is not yet in, it appears an abnormal number of conversations between Trump associates and Russians were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies.

On orders higher up, the conversations were transcribed, and, contrary to law, the names of Trump associates unmasked.

Then those transcripts, with names revealed, were spread to all 16 agencies of the intel community at the direction of Susan Rice, and with the possible knowledge of Barack Obama, assuring some would be leaked after Trump became president.

The leak of Gen. Michael Flynn's conversation with the Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, after Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for the hacking of the DNC, may have been a product of the unmasking operation. The media hit on Flynn cost him the National Security Council post.

Trump has had many accomplishments since his election. Yet his enemies in the media and their deep state allies have often made a purgatory of his presidency.

What he and his White House need to understand is that this is not going to end, that this is a fight to the finish, that his enemies will not relent until they see him impeached or resigning in disgrace.

To prevail, Trump will have to campaign across this country and wage guerrilla war in this capital, using the legal and political weapons at his disposal to ferret out the enemies within his own government.

Not only is this battle essential, if Trump hopes to realize his agenda, it is winnable. For the people sense that the Beltway elites are cynically engaged in preserving their own privileges, positions and power.

If the president cannot rewrite Obamacare or achieve tax reform, he should not go around the country in 2018 wailing about Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. They are not the real adversaries. They are but interchangeable parts.

He should campaign against the real enemies of America First by promising to purge the deep state and flog its media collaborators.

Time to burn down the Bastille.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: comeyhearings; coup; cwii; cwiiping; deepstate; fbi; investigation; jamescomey; patbuchanan; presidenttrumpadmin; russia; shtf; trumprussia
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To: zencycler

Tell that to suicide bombers.

This is spiritual at bottom. Not physical.


61 posted on 06/13/2017 7:58:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: traderrob6
No primarily because the vast majority of the left are pu$$ies.

You are right. But this is not a contest between left and right. This is a contest between an increasingly oppressive kleptocracy, and those who are fed up with being the kleptee, and are fed up with being marginalized. Really, this is a contest between common sense, normal people, against an entrenched parasitic class.

The people you see on the street are all talk and no action. But they are just brainwashed and easily led useful idiots. Ultimately, they are irrelevant, except whatever usefulness the parasitic class finds for them -- they are merely pawns. The real enemy of ordinary people are not all talk/no action types. They are playing a very dangerous game here, in that they are clearly aiming to take down Trump, and it is now just a question of when not if, and a question of political cover not evidence.

Fortunately, the odds of this turning ugly remain small, since, as you correctly point out, their supporters are fanatical, but also not exactly tough. But the parasitic class is going to do everything they can to eliminate an existential threat, and they have a lot of resources at their disposal (the media, money, large corporations, academia, and culture, not to mention the federal government itself) which can elevate the level of tension considerably.

This is not the time to be blase about the threat.
62 posted on 06/13/2017 8:00:15 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am more concerned how many ways conservatives hate the bible. God considers treason worse than outright frank enmity.

The Republican party is certainly populated with a huge number of non-Christians.

I don't get your second sentence though.

63 posted on 06/13/2017 8:01:06 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (How many ways do liberals hate the bible?)
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To: All

I wish I were wrong but-

“..The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”
Yeats ‘The Second Coming’

I see the left being able to mobilize tens of thousands over the most trivial of causes fracking, GM Food or Transgender rights;

while conservatives can only turn out a handful of protestors the most egregious outrages of the left.

Conservative sit on their hands while leftist groups drive away 90% of the corporate advertisers from Rush,O’Rielly or Brietbart.

MSNBC Can Channel BLM or outright Communists; and lose 0% of their corporate sponsors.

Turning virtually every college Campus in the US into a hard left re-education camp as resulted in zero effective push back from the right. Have any of these colleges lost a single dime of government or private money or show any sign of genuine reform?

The entertainment (Music,Movie&TV)continue to slander conservatives and pay no price for it or producing multi million dollar propaganda epics for the left.

Given the apathy on the right, I would say any “Civil War” is already lost.
Like I say, I wish I was wrong.


64 posted on 06/13/2017 8:07:25 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: Kaslin

FIRE EVERYONE.

Then re-hire carefully.


65 posted on 06/13/2017 8:10:00 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' Fake News unregulated SuperPAC.)
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To: Jagdgewehr

Beat me to it. And summer is just around the corner... could be a very long and very hot one if you know what I mean.


66 posted on 06/13/2017 8:12:10 AM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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To: central_va

You are dreaming.
Take a look at a red-blue map by county of the last election.
Now tell me which states are going which way.
You could even take this further by looking at precinct level maps.
The ideological divide has NOTHING to do with state borders.
Hell, I live in a state(WV) where every single county went for Trump. MY county is the most red of ALL WV counties, yet just going to town about 25% of the homes I pass will have voted for Hillary. Plus, WV voted in a RAT Governor in the same election.

I repeat, State lines will mean NOTHING!


67 posted on 06/13/2017 8:14:16 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: alancarp

No. Lib’s can have the big cities, nothing else.


68 posted on 06/13/2017 8:14:34 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Kaslin

The second American civil war isn’t going to start with troops shooting firearms. It already started when a foreign-born muslim was installed as president.

Wake up and see what is happening around you.


69 posted on 06/13/2017 8:18:00 AM PDT by sipow
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To: Kaslin

Waiting for the order to put DEM notches on my belt!


70 posted on 06/13/2017 8:18:54 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Kaslin

Ever catch yourself wondering why the Left is reacting in such an abhorrent manner this time, yet when asked, they are completely unable to point out any specific policy. Let’s be honest, the guy just got there and there really hasn’t been any legislation. So why the 24hour a day freak out? Not by the media, but by the Dumbocrats in the street.

It’s because after Obama, they had convinced themselves that this country was going to be “minority” ruled forever afterwards. That there would never again be a White Male Heterosexual President. I understand that this is hard to wrap your head around for NORMAL people that know the countries demographics, but we are talking about idiots here. Complete ameba level thinking. You have to dumb it way down to see their thoughts.

It’s not about policy. It’s about their tribe. It’s best to realize this reality and align yourself properly for what is soon to follow.


71 posted on 06/13/2017 8:19:54 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Roccus

I repeat if FedGov falls apart state lines will mean everything. The Governors and legislatures don’t go away. There is still law and order.


72 posted on 06/13/2017 8:19:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Trump needs to go scorched earth.

Right ON. If not his agenda will fail.

73 posted on 06/13/2017 8:22:21 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Kaslin

A house divided cannot stand.............it will be all one or all the other.

Abraham Lincoln.

or in other words. There is going to be a fight. I post this often so I get used to the idea ......................


74 posted on 06/13/2017 8:25:32 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: alancarp

It won’t be that clean.

It will be city vs rural


75 posted on 06/13/2017 8:28:27 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum
It will be city vs rural

If FedGov falls apart why would people fight when the can still vote state by state? Why the rush to anarchy?

76 posted on 06/13/2017 8:29:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Thanks for the note.

It is probably time we begin group up. When the fight starts is not the time.

Is there anyway to make this incident more public? WHO might carry the story?


77 posted on 06/13/2017 8:30:23 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: central_va

You’re still fighting the LAST Civil War, FRiend.
As I said, WV has a RAT gov. but went more than 65% Trump. Which side do you think WV will be on?

There will be a TOTAL breakdown of “law and order” as you put it. CWII will be about who gets to run what’s left after the shooting stops.


78 posted on 06/13/2017 8:30:57 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Starboard

less than a majority who took a stand.


And they paid dearly for it........................

We are going to have to get used to that idea.


79 posted on 06/13/2017 8:32:08 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: redgolum
It will be city vs rural

There will be dividing lines within both.

80 posted on 06/13/2017 8:32:55 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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