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When Discussing Obamacare, Remember the UniParty Supports Itů(Ryan, McCarthy, McConnell Cornyn)
The Last Refuge ^ | January 16, 2017 | sundance

Posted on 01/17/2017 5:43:11 AM PST by xzins

With the repeal of Obamacare gathering a considerable amount of corporate media attention, it is important to remember the UniParty, Democrats and Republicans, have been paid by the U.S. CoC to retain it at all costs.

♦ The U.S. Chamber of Commerce constructed a short list of Wall Street-centric legislative priorities back in 2014 for legislative years ’15 and ’16. Among those priorities was:

Retention of Obamacare

Implementation of Common Core federal education standards.

Passage of the Trans-Pacific Trade Deal (TPP)

Comprehensive immigration reform to include amnesty. the-big-club-2

U.S. CoC President Tom Donohue has spent hundreds of millions via K-Street lobbyists to construct and advance these objectives. Understanding that Donald Trump represented an existential threat toward these endeavors, Donohue targeted candidate Trump for removal. Donohue lost.

However, despite the Trump victory – Donohue has already paid the leadership of both parties to advance, now retain, his legislative priorities. Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn will do everything within their power to keep the cost of healthcare from the P-n-L of U.S. corporations. This is the appropriate background for the current dynamic.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is not even remotely similar to the local Chambers’ of Commerce that most people might be familiar with. The U.S. CoC sets the legislative priorities for congress and tells Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan what to do.

At the very heart of our nation’s economic and political strife you will find the U.S. CoC’s legislative priorities which are antithetical to America-First interests. The CoC is looking out for multi-national corporations, banks and the upper echelon of Wall Street financial interests, period.

Last week the initial legislative vehicle (a budgetary construct) for an Obamacare repeal was passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives. Just like the original ACA bill, the repeal vehicle passed along party lines. However, everyone must beware the appearance of something, is not necessarily the ‘doing of something’.

GOPe republicans are famous for appearing to do things in order to retain the optics of a position they are not aligned with. A solid example was the IRS targeting of the Tea Party and how the Democrats and Republicans both supported -and benefited from- that targeting. Take out the Tea Party and establishment GOPe representatives were protected just like Democrats.

The subsequent IRS hearings and investigation approach was a complete ruse. Remember also, committee Chairman Rep. Jason Chaffetz took millions from the U.S. CoC as payback for not running against Senator Orrin Hatch in 2011, which led to this:

OrrinHatchWASHINGTON DC – Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) on Thursday praised Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts as a “remarkable” and “tremendous” jurist who wrote a “clever” opinion upholding a key provision of ObamaCare.

“All I can say is that the chief justice is a remarkable judge. He’s a tremendous human being. I have a tremendous confidence in him and I believe in him. (link)

Another example was the Benghazi hearings. Political followers generally espouse an opinion of the GOPe showcasing apathy and ineptitude in both the IRS and the Benghazi examples. However, that’s not accurate. The GOPe was not apathetic, they were merely following a playbook, an often deployed strategy, to give the appearance of one position, but retaining a hidden goal that is 180° divergent.

Fair warning. The 1:30am Obamacare repeal construct last week has all the appearances of the exact same approach.

Republican leadership (Ryan, McCarthy, McMorris, / McConnell, Cornyn, et al) have absolutely no intention of repealing Obamacare, ever. This is not cynicism, this is simply accepting reality by following their historic behavior. It’s simply what they do.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; chamberofcommerce; coc; gope; govtabuse; manipulation; obamacare; obamacaregraphic; romneyagenda; romneycare; romneycare4ever; ryan4romneycare; sundance; uniparty
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1 posted on 01/17/2017 5:43:11 AM PST by xzins
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To: All

It makes sense. These folks didn’t bow to Obama just because of legislative necessity. They were probably on his side.


2 posted on 01/17/2017 5:44:02 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

Our company joined the local CoC for networking purposes. They will lose our membership today


3 posted on 01/17/2017 5:51:59 AM PST by Navin Johnson
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To: Navin Johnson

Our company joined the local CoC for networking purposes. They will lose our membership today
*****

The author makes a point to say that local Chambers of commerce are not the same.

From article:
“The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is not even remotely similar to the local Chambers’ of Commerce that most people might be familiar with. The U.S. CoC sets the legislative priorities for congress and tells Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan what to do.”


4 posted on 01/17/2017 5:54:24 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: xzins

The US Chamber of Commerce is the enemy of the citizens.
They are the engineers of the Cheap Labor Express.


5 posted on 01/17/2017 6:01:34 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: xzins

I have been saying this for a Long Time, they will NOT Repeal Obamacare.

The only way to force the issue is for President Trump to issue an Executive Order repealing ALL Waivers and Require ALL Federal Employees, except the Military to immediately enroll in and purchase their own Personal and Family Health Insurance from the Affordable Care Exchange in the State they Legally reside. This will Include CONgress and the ENTIRE Federal Judiciary.

Then and Only then will there be any chance of repeal. MAKE THEM SUFFER!!!


6 posted on 01/17/2017 6:05:47 AM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: xzins

DJT needs to give Rat Ryan a severe beat down. Maybe then he’ll stop running his mouth about amnesty and slow walking ACA repeal.


7 posted on 01/17/2017 6:06:53 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: eyeamok

Some strategy to unite Trumps opponents behind Trump is crucial.

1. He could hint they are lying about repeal.

2. He could appeal by Twitter to his 20 million followers to get on their representatives.

3. One vote at a time, he has to walk his objectives through house and senate, both of which each have a process designed to deceive about what they are actually doing.

4. We must respond to Trump’s call for people’s intervention with their reps.


8 posted on 01/17/2017 6:10:05 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Ray76

I suspect Trump’s stating his purpose is coverage for all has put Ryan’s feet in the fire.

Ryan is talking “access for all”, and that will undercut Trump’s promise to repeal and REPLACE.


9 posted on 01/17/2017 6:13:34 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

Replace it with a free market. Government IS the problem. Plunking down a big pot of gold guarantees prices go up. Add in needlessly complex reimbursement schemes increases administrative overhead. On and on.

De-governmentalize and de-insuranceize routine care. Insurance is for disasters, not maintenance. And fedgov has no authorization whatsoever to pay for or provide insurance or health care.


10 posted on 01/17/2017 6:22:50 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: xzins

Keep in mind the actual vote had ZERO republican votes in favor.


11 posted on 01/17/2017 6:24:31 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: xzins

Ryan wants access for all and Trump wants insurance for all. Which is worse?


12 posted on 01/17/2017 6:27:46 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: Ray76

How are the words “access for all” and “coverage for all” different?

1. Access means a lot of people do not have coverage.

2. Coverage means that everyone has some kind of coverage.

Since Trump is no dummy, what do you think he is thinking?

IIRC, when the obamacare debate started years ago, the claim was that something like ONLY 20 million had no POLICY coverage at all. Do you remember the same thing?


13 posted on 01/17/2017 6:30:35 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

True, but we know how votes work in the Congress. If it will pass and your vote isn’t needed, then you can vote against.

How many republicans did that?


14 posted on 01/17/2017 6:31:54 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Lisbon1940

Should have pinged you to #13. What do you think?


15 posted on 01/17/2017 6:32:40 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

You tell me

https://books.google.com/books?id=PV6qZU_xev8C&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20America%20We%20Deserve&pg=PT258#v=onepage&q&f=false


16 posted on 01/17/2017 6:35:06 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76
"De-governmentalize and de-insuranceize routine care."

Dr Price's bill ( HR2300 or HR3200 ? ) has a tax credit for everyone to go and purchase HSA insurance ( esentially catastrophic ) and you can legally pay for ( with your tax free dollars via the credit ) a Direct Primary Care Plan which is routine care on retainer with no paperwork.

Brilliant...

17 posted on 01/17/2017 6:35:39 AM PST by taildragger (Do you hear the people singing? The Song of Angry Men!....)
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To: Ray76

A most excellent post. Well done.

Government should not be in the insurance business. Or any other business that private enterprise can provide more effectively and efficiently.

Once the government gets its tentacles into something it wants complete control. Politics inevitably take over and economic based decisions go out the window.


18 posted on 01/17/2017 6:41:06 AM PST by Starboard
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To: xzins

I can’t remember the numbers in 2008. Back then everyone had access if they could afford it. Many couldn’t, but at least they had access.


19 posted on 01/17/2017 6:46:41 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: taildragger

A “Health Care Savings Account” is not insurance.

Fedgov habitually manipulates the tax code to develop “solutions”, such as

health care savings accounts
IRAs (etc)
education savings accounts

to name a few.

How about reduce taxes and let individuals save or invest however they wish?

The federal government IS the problem. They must be put back within Constitutional bounds. Their socialist programs are a disaster. The are bankrupting the government and wrecking the economy.


20 posted on 01/17/2017 6:50:53 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

He says (whatever year that is) that the uninsured totaled about 42 million and 10 million of those are children.

On that page he favors allowing all to exclude health care cots from income. I agree with that absolutely.

He says that low income can be subsidized to buy policies...I assume he means catastrophic plans. Using the 40 million figure, that would be about 10 million households more or less.

A catastrophic family plan used to cost it seems, $3000. I agree with that. If we double it for time, then we’re talking 6000 for 10 million.

That’s 60 billion bucks. More than doable and far cheaper than ObamaCare.


21 posted on 01/17/2017 6:52:53 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Lisbon1940

See #20


22 posted on 01/17/2017 6:53:45 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins; Neoliberalnot
When they needed a GOP vote to get it out of committee, they got it.

They would have had them on the floor as well, had any been needed.

23 posted on 01/17/2017 6:57:17 AM PST by thulldud
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To: xzins

That argument has been made by every side for what, 2 centuries. So, no matter how an honest man votes, it is irrelevant? We will see when the change comes who votes for what?


24 posted on 01/17/2017 7:07:40 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Ray76

I will beat the drum for making all medical expenses a credit on income tax returns, and I understand this will benefit all taxpayers.


25 posted on 01/17/2017 7:14:41 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

So, COC doesn’t represent free enterprise. Why are you attacking private sector businesses?


26 posted on 01/17/2017 7:16:00 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Only those businesses that want to import the workers for the jobs that can’t be exported.

Free enterprise that costs us our country isn’t free.


27 posted on 01/17/2017 7:18:04 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: xzins
Tears of a Clown:


28 posted on 01/17/2017 7:18:05 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: Neoliberalnot

What constitutes a “medical expense”?

You can’t be a little bit pregnant. In other words, you can’t have just a little socialism.


29 posted on 01/17/2017 7:19:03 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Lisbon1940

Humans lived until about 1950 with no health insurance and populated the planet with several billion people. I know many people, including my Dad, that never had health insurance for a lifetime. John Adams never had health insurance and lived to 90 years.


30 posted on 01/17/2017 7:19:14 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I am clearly not in favor of allowing criminal aliens to ignore federal law.


31 posted on 01/17/2017 7:21:52 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Plenty of employers of illegal aliens are ignoring federal law and the CoC wants amnesty for them as much as for the illegal aliens.


32 posted on 01/17/2017 7:24:51 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: Ray76

Hospital stays, doctor visits, medications. Do you really not understand this? The insurance business has convinced everyone it is not possible to live without them? If you want it fine, if you don’t that’s fine too.


33 posted on 01/17/2017 7:25:24 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Ray76

Yes HSA is not a policy, it is the tax free or credit vehicle of which a catastrophic insurance plan can be purchased as well as a Direct Primary Care Plan with a local MD of your choice. Making said credit available to everyone is in Dr Price’s Bill if my memory is correct which is a fatal flaw of Obamacare. Right now ( and before Obamacare ) unless you worked for an employer, or had a small business where you could take the credit, if you were somewhere in between ( 1099 contractor etc ) you were screwed, just like all those right now buying Gold, Silver and Bronze plans, they are with after tax dollars...


34 posted on 01/17/2017 7:25:43 AM PST by taildragger (Do you hear the people singing? The Song of Angry Men!....)
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To: Neoliberalnot

>> John Adams never had health insurance and lived to 90 years.

Two of his offspring, siblings to Quincy, died as children.


35 posted on 01/17/2017 7:26:32 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Again, I despise foreign invaders. COC also represents free enterprise.


36 posted on 01/17/2017 7:27:17 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: xzins

I love the Conservative Treehouse because it:

1) dispels the fiction that the good guys are republicans and the bad guys are democrats, therefore, we “hold our nose” and support anything (R)
2) recognizes that the big division is NOT “conservative” v “liberal” but big state v little guy

This is a voice from the crowd that are against the left without being a tool and stooge of the megastate Republicans. I love them.


37 posted on 01/17/2017 7:28:45 AM PST by Rothbards ghost
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To: Lisbon1940

Yep, infant and child mortality was quite high before vaccines came along.

Michealangelo lived to 89 and his father to 90 in the 14th century when the plague was killing millions in Europe. They simply moved out of the citiy when outbreaks occurred.


38 posted on 01/17/2017 7:30:40 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Correction: were quite high


39 posted on 01/17/2017 7:32:42 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Should children get vaccines if their parents can’t afford them? There is a slippery slope.


40 posted on 01/17/2017 7:36:53 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

What about lab tests? All tests? Some tests? No tests?

What about medical equipment? All equipment? Some? None?

What about eyes? Glasses, contacts or Lasik?

What about dental? Cleanings and fillings? Braces? Invisalign?

Drugs - name brand or generic?

What constitutes a “medical expense”?


41 posted on 01/17/2017 7:44:27 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: taildragger

“Primary care” - this illustrates how polluted health care has become. This “primary care” gate-keeper business came about with the move from indemnity to HMOs.


42 posted on 01/17/2017 7:46:38 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Rothbards ghost

I agree.

One of my top 3 go-to websites with Breitbart and Gateway Pundit.

Sundance is the most thoughtful writer on the scene today, in my opinion.


43 posted on 01/17/2017 7:55:49 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Lisbon1940

Yes, if they can afford children they can afford vaccines. Do you any idea how poor thousands of freepers were growing up in the 50s and 60s?


44 posted on 01/17/2017 8:04:22 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Ray76

I’d say you pretty much covered it. Are you trying to go overboard?


45 posted on 01/17/2017 8:05:52 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Ray76

You forgot breast implants.


46 posted on 01/17/2017 8:06:33 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“extremism in defense of liberty is no vice”


47 posted on 01/17/2017 8:19:36 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

So Liberty means forcing people to buy insurance?


48 posted on 01/17/2017 8:44:32 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Hell no. Read my posts to this thread.


49 posted on 01/17/2017 8:56:34 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Neoliberalnot

If they use a public financed hospital, then yes.

Same as using public roads and requiring car insurance.

If they want to go totally private hospitals, etc., then the public has no interest.


50 posted on 01/17/2017 9:55:52 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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