[GonzoII]

"One incentive Scott used was something he didn't have to spend money on — Florida's existing tax code. Florida, like Tennessee and Texas, has no state income tax. And it has low corporate taxes."

[Gaffer]

With all due respect, this crap started with Sarah Palin.

[MNJohnnie]

It is utterly amusing to me to see supposed “Libertarians” and self styled “True Conservatives” busy mouthing the Marxist economic dogma that all economic output is property of the State and any time the state takes less it is a “Government subsidy”.

That is the base for this absurd “crony capitalism” argument. This dogma that any reduction in government taxation MUST be “paid for” by increased taxation on others is utterly absurd nonsense completely at odds with our system of Government.

No you foolish children. In our system, the State is granted revenues by the people as a collective good. It is their property granted TO the Government not vice versa. It is up to the voters in IN to render the judgment on their Representatives at the voting booth if this was a wise move or a foolish move for the collective to reduce tax burdens on Carrier in exchange for the collective good of keeping the 1100 jobs.

The other glaring error in this absurd argument is the assumption that the economy is a zero sum game. Thus a reduction here means an addition in taxes there. NO children it does not.

The Five on Fox ran the numbers. By keeping the 1100 jobs the State gets a net gain of $2.5 million in taxes from the 1100 jobs maintained. In addition, the State does NOT have to pay out mandated retraining, unemployment and welfare costs of having 1100 productive highly paid workers taken out of the the work force. The economy is a dynamic force not static as you try to make it be in your “Crony Capitalism” argument.

The final lesson here is, again, we see the reason the “Movement Conservatives” have been the least effective political force in US History.

Letting people keep their OWN money rather then taxing it way from them is GOOD. It is the heart of Conservatism.

We are not going to undo 100 years of creeping socialism by stamping out feet and holding our breath demanding ideologically perfect political dogmas. Yet here we go again with the usual “Movement Conservatives” trying desperately to spin a win as a defeat because it does NOT fit their ivory tower dogmatically pure political fantasies.

That mindset is EXACTLY why “Movement Conservatives” have been the most political ineffective group in US History. They all are so busy whining about everything not being dogmatically ideologically perfect they have accomplished nothing politically since 1980.

Rather the cling to these day dreams of some mythical perfectly ideologically pure fantasy land, it time Movement Conservatives learn to live in the REAL world of poltical incrementalism rather then their ideologically pristine ineffective bubble world.

[Buckeye McFrog]

In a way, Sarah Palin is right.

However, just about ALL of our economy is running on crony capitalism at this point.

I dare say you will find very few large enterprises that are not at least in part relying on subsidies, tax breaks or some form of favoritism at this point.

It’s a symptom of government that has grown WAY too big at every level. You won’t fix that overnight.

Trump has just redirected it to benefit the average man and not lobbyists or insiders.

[exDemMom]

Equating this to crony capitalism boggles my mind.

Isn’t crony capitalism the practice of giving special favors to a company in return for political support?

I think all Trump did was to point out that he is going to make the business climate favorable for companies like Carrier. That doesn’t seem like quid pro quo to me.

[Texas Eagle]

If other businesses in Indiana were not offered the same deal Carrier was offered then, by definition, it's cronyism.

Every business in Indiana is facing the same conditions Carrier faces.

[Sacajaweau]

Alaska lives entirely off natural resources.

[marron]

He promised them what he has been promising throughout his campaign.

As for the portion of Carrier still leaving, I have no doubt Trump has not backed down from his parallel promise to impose tariffs.

A relatively easy thing to do would be to enact a US content standard for federal purchases, that higher US content gives a company an advantage in bidding for federal contracts. If half your air conditioner is built outside the US, good luck winning government contracts unless all your competitors are likewise building their product outside the US.

[txrefugee]

Was very disappointed that Sara Palin didn’t know the difference. She was probably being vindictive because she hasn’t received a job in the Trump administration. Her public criticism of the Carrier deal probably insures she won’t have a place at the table.

[MNJohnnie]

You know, your post has to be one of the most excessively STUPID posting every posted here. In a board with such a long rich history, that is a MAJOR accomplishment.

Your post is ultra, completely mega stupid. We will have to come up with a whole new classification of stupid to adequately address your level of idiocy. World Record Stupid! Rock hard dehydrated stupid! Lifetime Achievement Stupid! So stupid it MUST be a lost fragment of the primordial soup from with all imbeciles since have sprung. It sets a whole new standard by which stupidity will be judged from now on!

Quick, call the Nobel Committee. We have to establish a whole new Nobel Prize for World Record Stupidity just so this poster can be award it!!!

I applaud your courage. Most people attempt to hide their moronic natures but not YOU. NO, you FLAUNT your morondom. You proudly cruise the Internet squealing “I AM THE WORLDS LARGEST IDIOT”. I must say I have NEVER seen anyone so willing to make peace with a painful personal truth as you have embraced your imbecility. Well done brave soul!

[MNJohnnie]

That’s it! Ride your stupidity for all it is worth! Revel in your moronness! Some people rise to greatness but not you! No YOU have chosen a more difficult path, you have chosen to sink to the lowest possible level of idiocy it is possible to reach and STILL be able to operate a computer! Way to flaunt your single digit IQ!!!!! BRAVO! Encore!!!!!

[Sacajaweau]

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2016/12/china-thumbs-nose-raises-tariffs-on-imported-luxury-cars/

[MNJohnnie]

Screaming a fraudulent premise louder does not change fiction to fact. This what is being done here. The false premise is being mindlessly regurgitated over and over in the hope it will magically change fiction to fact.

[9YearLurker]

Nastily deceptive article. Palin said she didn’t know the circumstances re: the Carrier deal and talked only about crony capitalism generally.

[Bratch]

Governor Palin disses Glenn Beck’s "Fake News" site, The Blaze

Posted on December 06 2016 - 12:04 PM - Posted by: iizthatiiz

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Governor Sarah Palin doesn’t seem too happy with Glenn Beck’s site, The Blaze:

"If it’s Monday, it’s delete the press."

As a victim of fake news for years now, I’m accustomed to waking up to headlines like these – false, fake & foolhardily written. Keep it up media! Really, please do. The more you attack, the more we win.

– Sarah Palin

Apparently, the Governor was unhappy with the characterization of a recent Blaze article that claimed she had turned against President-Elect Donald Trump, grouping the Blaze headline among other fake news articles in the image she shared:

 

 

She also provided a Snopes link demonstrating the falsehood of a ‘fake news’ piece that began circulating recently.

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[Spok]

The Democrats like to ignore where all the Wall Street and corporate money was-behind Hillary.