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To: GonzoII
If other businesses in Indiana were not offered the same deal Carrier was offered then, by definition, it's cronyism.

Every business in Indiana is facing the same conditions Carrier faces.

10 posted on 12/06/2016 9:17:10 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

You are completely and totally wrong. there is not a hint of a notion of a thought of a clue of a fact in your assertion. You are not not misunderstood, you are not just mistaken, you are complete clueless on this topic.

It is utterly amusing to me to see supposed “Libertarians” and self styled “True Conservatives” busy mouthing the Marxist economic dogma that all economic output is property of the State and any time the state takes less it is a “Government subsidy”.

That is the base for this absurd “crony capitalism” argument. This dogma that any reduction in government taxation MUST be “paid for” by increased taxation on others is utterly absurd nonsense completely at odds with our system of Government.

No you foolish children. In our system, the State is granted revenues by the people as a collective good. It is their property granted TO the Government not vice versa. It is up to the voters in IN to render the judgment on their Representatives at the voting booth if this was a wise move or a foolish move for the them to reduce tax burdens on Carrier in exchange for the sociatial good of keeping the 1100 jobs.

The other glaring error in this absurd argument is the assumption that the economy is a zero sum game. Thus a reduction here means an addition in taxes there. NO children it does not.

The Five on Fox ran the numbers. By keeping the 1100 jobs the State gets a net gain of $2.5 million in taxes from the 1100 jobs maintained. In addition, the State does NOT have to pay out mandated retraining, unemployment and welfare costs of having 1100 productive highly paid workers taken out of the the work force. The economy is a dynamic force not static as you try to make it be in your “Crony Capitalism” argument.

The final lesson here is, again, we see the reason the “Movement Conservatives” have been the least effective political force in US History.

Letting people keep their OWN money rather then taxing it way from them is GOOD. It is the heart of Conservatism.

We are not going to undo 100 years of creeping socialism by stamping out feet and holding our breath demanding ideologically perfect political dogmas. Yet here we go again with the usual “Movement Conservatives” trying desperately to spin a win as a defeat because it does NOT fit their ivory tower dogmatically pure political fantasies.

That mindset is EXACTLY why “Movement Conservatives” have been the most political ineffective group in US History. They all are so busy whining about everything not being dogmatically ideologically perfect they have accomplished nothing politically since 1980.

Rather the cling to these day dreams of some mythical perfectly ideologically pure fantasy land, it time Movement Conservatives learn to live in the REAL world of poltical incrementalism rather then their ideologically pristine ineffective bubble world.


24 posted on 12/06/2016 9:32:34 AM PST by MNJohnnie (This revolt is not ending, it is merely beginning.- Pat Caddell)
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To: Texas Eagle
If other businesses in Indiana were not offered the same deal Carrier was offered then, by definition, it's cronyism. Every business in Indiana is facing the same conditions Carrier faces.

Only if every other business in Indiana produces air conditioners... IT was the State of Indiana, that 'made' the deal to keep Carrier in their state. Typically the politician receives a donation before the politician cronies our capital.

40 posted on 12/06/2016 9:54:56 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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