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(VANITY) What do we say to Californians who want to secede?
http://www.freerepublic.com/~brilliant/ ^ | 11/13/2016 | Me

Posted on 11/13/2016 8:27:56 AM PST by Brilliant

What do we say to Californians who want to secede? Most often, I hear, "Good. Do it," or some variant thereof. But that is way too flippant, and there are much better potential responses.

Another appropriate response might be, "That wasn't the deal. The deal was that you would move to Canada."

But even that misses the major lesson that should be learned from this election.

The truth is that the people who elected Donald Trump as President spent the last 8 years suffering through Obama. There was little talk of secession, and certainly no organized effort to secede by any state. Those who talked about secession were quickly ridiculed, often by those who are now advocating California secession.

We suffered through Obama. We suffered through the slow economy. We suffered through the Obamacare lies and then failure. We suffered through riots and rising crime. Now the California liberals can suffer through Trump.

As Obama said, "I won." But now, Trump can say the same, and California must accept the result, just as we were compelled to do in the case of Obama.

And that is not merely a way of saying that it is time for payback. It is simply what it means to be a nation. We are one nation. Not two. Not more.

In a democratic republic, the representatives of the people are elected by a majority of electors. The minority must accept the result. It is impossible for everyone to have their own way. That is the nature of government. It is, in fact, one of the great problems with government, and is one of the reasons that the Founders built this nation on federalism.

There was once a time when states had considerable rights. There was once a time when the federal government was small, and the state government was the primary governmental influence in our lives.

That day has passed, and it has passed largely because of the political activism of progressives in California and other very liberal states, who wanted to substitute federal power for state power. If our country were still run primarily by the states, as conservatives would have liked, then we would not be having this conversation. The progressives created this situation. Now they must deal with it or be branded hypocrites.

I see that the major California politicians are vowing that they will make sure that irrespective what happens in Washington, California will continue to welcome illegal immigrants, and follow liberal policies that have been rejected by the nation as a whole.

How is it, then, that over the last 8 years, we in the rest of the United States have been compelled to accept the left-wing policies of Barack Obama and the Democratic Party elite? No one told us that we had the option. When the issue was tested in the courts, the courts ruled that the states must yield to the policies of Mr. Obama and the liberal elite because they were in control of the US government. Yet those same liberals claim the right to ignore federal directive now that they are no longer in power.

No, it is much too generous to give the Californians the option of secession. The "do it" response is just too lenient. They need to be taught a lesson, and who better to teach that lesson than they themselves? By telling them simply "We won," we are only holding them to their own standard of fairness. They created this situation. Now they must deal with it.


TOPICS: US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ca2016; immigration; trump
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To: Brilliant

How about we say "Mexico welcomes you. Get out."


41 posted on 11/13/2016 8:52:45 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Right after they pay California’s share of the national debt (which I hear is a lot) they are free to go but you don’t get to run up your debt and then leave.


42 posted on 11/13/2016 8:54:46 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: Brilliant
Adios. Maʿal-salāmah. Zàijiàn. Sayōnara. Auf Wiedersehen. Good bye. Just be sure to build a wall to keep them out of Texas.
43 posted on 11/13/2016 8:55:04 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Brilliant

I have always pondered why California wasn’t split into at least two electoral districts.


44 posted on 11/13/2016 8:55:07 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Brilliant

Only Liberals would nominate and run for president a crooked serial liar, under FBI investigation and then cry when their candidate lost.


45 posted on 11/13/2016 8:56:16 AM PST by proudpapa (Trump Pence 2016!!)
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To: Brilliant

Now maybe they will understand the 10th Amendment.


46 posted on 11/13/2016 8:56:42 AM PST by marron
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To: Brilliant

They can secede AFTER they apologize to the Confederate state and pay reparations for the destruction.


47 posted on 11/13/2016 8:56:54 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Brilliant

Brilliant has the best reply. I recall, from a while back an army general being asked by a group of Texans whether they could secede.

HIs response was (to paraphrase) that such a question had already been settled.

From sea to sea the U.S. is our land. If you don’t like it then leave. It would be good for California as the housing crisis should resolve itself then.

Perhaps governor moonbeam should be first.


48 posted on 11/13/2016 8:57:51 AM PST by wjr123
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To: R_Kangel

” I have always pondered why California wasn’t split into at least two electoral districts.”

Thankfully they didn’t.. they would have four leftwing senators instead of just two


49 posted on 11/13/2016 8:58:55 AM PST by RonnG
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To: Brilliant

Our federal system was originally set up to be a union of sovereign states allowing for differences between each one. The real solution to their problem is states rights. When the majority of important decisions are made at the level of the central government states have less control over their own lives.
Being smug about forcing your onions on others diminishes the validity of your objection when it comes back your way.
What comes around goes around.


50 posted on 11/13/2016 8:59:21 AM PST by Gregorio
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To: Brilliant

Go for it.


51 posted on 11/13/2016 8:59:42 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Elections have consequences." Barack Obama)
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To: Brilliant

Bye bye.


52 posted on 11/13/2016 9:00:14 AM PST by null and void (No federal funds for "sanctuary" cities that defy federal law!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Newsflash - The bottom half already belongs to mexico. The signage is in spanish, the restaurants are all mexican and many TV and radio commercials are now in spanish.


53 posted on 11/13/2016 9:00:23 AM PST by pfflier
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To: vooch

Exchange all non-military federal assets in the seceding territory to the Chinese for their debt holdings.

Just be sure to build a wall to keep Californians out of Texas. We see what Californian immigrants did to Colorado and Nevada.


54 posted on 11/13/2016 9:00:28 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: deadrock

Take their share?

I dont think so. I say pay up or shut up.


55 posted on 11/13/2016 9:00:37 AM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: Brilliant

You have that right. Send the illegals packing. At present California is 51% Hispanic, and growing. The southern half of California is lost to the U.S. and is rapidly becoming Mexico Norte. Every time I get something in the mail showing new appointees to gov’t posts, they all seem to have Hispanic surnames, and I feel will legislate accordingly. Spanish as a second language is required in a lot of jobs nowadays. Although I live out in the country, my postal zone is in a little town that is 82% Hispanic and very few people in the street, if you ask directions, actually speak English there. One of my best pals is Hispanic but she can’t actually speak Spanish, so she is just as lost in that little town as I am.


56 posted on 11/13/2016 9:02:41 AM PST by kiltie65
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To: LydiaLong

Californian people produce lots of good stuff. Of course, there should be trade with the seceding territory. I even think we should respect the rebels’ intellectual property to a certain extent.

#CALEXIT#


57 posted on 11/13/2016 9:05:51 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Brilliant

I say if CA secedes, that is the whole state, I will secede to Texas!


58 posted on 11/13/2016 9:06:59 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Brilliant

Maybe if the rest of the country stopped going to the crappy movies spewed out by Hollywood it would help kill that propaganda industry. Hollywood is liberal California, yet it is supported nationwide by movie goers across the nation, by the very folks who complain about liberal CA.


59 posted on 11/13/2016 9:08:30 AM PST by georgiegirl (Count me in the half that's in the Deplorable Basket)
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To: Gunpowder green
...I’d take a narrow coastal strip from SF to LA...

Lot's of libs and illegals south of LA now.

60 posted on 11/13/2016 9:08:59 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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