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early Constitutional scholar called 2A “palladium of liberty”
Hotair ^ | June 23 ,2016 | TAYLOR MILLARD

Posted on 06/23/2016 9:50:11 AM PDT by Hojczyk

This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most government it has been the study of rules to confirm this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color of pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.

That’s going to be a disappointment to everyone saying the Second Amendment only refers to muskets and/or militias (especially those “sitting in” on the House floor). Tucker isn’t suggesting only certain people (militia members) should own weapons; he’s saying everyone has the right to own a gun (whether it’s a musket, pistol, AR-15, etc.). He may even be suggesting letting people own weapons will keep the government from using the army to attack civilians in the name of tyranny (what’s the use of a pistol if those who are attacking you are using AR-15’s).

It’s here where Tucker shows just how limited the government was supposed to be, when he compares our Second Amendment with the English law it was based on.

In England, the people have been disarmed, generally, under the specious pretext of preserving the game: a never failing lure to bring over the landed aristocracy to support any measure, under that mask, though calculated for very different purposes. True it is, their bill of rights seems at first view to counteract this policy: but the right of bearing arms is confined to protestants, and the words suitable to their condition and degree, have been interpreted to authorize the prohibition of keeping a gun or other engine for the destruction of game, to any farmer, or inferior tradesman, or other person not qualified

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TOPICS: Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 2ndamendment; banglist; election2016; guncontrol; newyork; secondamendment; trump

1 posted on 06/23/2016 9:50:11 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

The Democrats and the Leftists want to disarm us so we can be killed by Terrorists.


2 posted on 06/23/2016 9:58:59 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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To: Hojczyk

That definitely qualifies as a “no-holds barred” defense of liberty. Contemporaneous writing and reviews like that should hold more sway but the logic- and rhetoric-challenged “progressives” can’t stand to hear such clear-minded reasoning. Instead, we get girlymen writing about their “PTSD” after firing an AR-15 and limp-noodle Senators using feelings to justify a 15-hour stupidity marathon on the floor of the Senate.


3 posted on 06/23/2016 10:10:03 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Hojczyk

Kind of interesting turn of phrase. Many of us PM fans think of Palladium (Pd) atomic number 46 as a precious metal similar to Platinum. Which it is. “Discovered” in 1803.

But “palladium” was also used as we use “paradigm” a “model” for something, usually implying a high-grade model, an epitome.


4 posted on 06/23/2016 10:12:41 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I apologize for not apologizing.)
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To: CptnObvious

Terrorists don’t scare me none. I’m more concerned by the Democrats and Leftists disarming my neighbors.


5 posted on 06/23/2016 10:12:53 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: CptnObvious

You Sir show the wisdom, the insight this country so desperately needs. You have my vote.


6 posted on 06/23/2016 10:13:08 AM PDT by thebreeze756 (Live Free or Die. Death is not the worse of evils. Gen. John Stark)
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That Every Man Be Armed
Stephen P Halbrook

Required reading for all who value our second amendment.


7 posted on 06/23/2016 10:17:59 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Vote for your guns!)
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To: Hojczyk

Free men have the right to bear arms, slaves do not.


8 posted on 06/23/2016 10:22:15 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Hojczyk

I doubt the Founders fought the British and put the 2A into place to mean that the weapons citizens have should be sub-par to the weapons the government has.

Only a fool with think so.


9 posted on 06/23/2016 10:38:46 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: Hojczyk
When/if Mrs Billor Barak Hussein appoints the 5th communist Justice the Second Amendment will very quickly become a right reserved to the military and to the National Guard. The other Amendments will be eviscerated over the following one to two years. The whole rights-of-the-people-and-states portion of the Constitution will be piecemeal but rapidly declared Unconstitutional.
10 posted on 06/23/2016 10:38:59 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
But “palladium” was also used as we use “paradigm” ...

Whence the name for the metal.

11 posted on 06/23/2016 10:40:30 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Hojczyk

Mr. Millard has a point, but he should also learn the definition of “militia,” which is roughly “all the able-bodied people,” not some state(country)-created entity


12 posted on 06/23/2016 10:41:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: CptnObvious
"..The Democrats and the Leftists want to disarm us so we can be killed by Terrorists.."

They want to do some of the killing, too. Except for mebbe that snowflake Kuntzman.
Inside every leftist/progressive is a deranged spoiled brat wanting to be a Nazi. Their accusations are projecting.

Fugg'em.

13 posted on 06/23/2016 10:41:11 AM PDT by CopperTop
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To: Hojczyk; newgeezer

The left has successfully demonized all of the writers and signers of the Constitution.


14 posted on 06/23/2016 10:42:43 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.)
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To: Hojczyk
In England, the people have been disarmed, generally, under the specious pretext of preserving the game:

The author brings out a very salient point in this and it may be why the Left is always trying to shape the argument about hunting. With the power the EPA holds, were the 2A to be limited to hunting weapons, then restricting hunting would be a natural next-step.

The mistake that we fell into years ago was allowing this argument to take root. Now that weed is exceedingly difficult to kill.

15 posted on 06/23/2016 11:02:05 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: arthurus

Actually the name “palladium” comes from the asteroid Pallas and the posted usage of “palladium” appears to come from “palladion” which was a statue of Athena thought to provide protection to ancient Troy.


16 posted on 06/23/2016 11:12:26 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I apologize for not apologizing.)
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To: Hojczyk
It's clear from the Federalist Papers what was meant by keeping and bearing arms.

In The Federalist #8, Alexander Hamilton states the fear of having a standing army.

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The institutions chiefly alluded to are STANDING ARMIES and the correspondent appendages of military establishments. Standing armies, it is said, are not provided against in the new Constitution; and it is therefore inferred that they may exist under it. Their existence, however, from the very terms of the proposition, is, at most, problematical and uncertain. But standing armies, it may be replied, must inevitably result from a dissolution of the Confederacy. Frequent war and constant apprehension, which require a state of as constant preparation, will infallibly produce them. The weaker States or confederacies would first have recourse to them, to put themselves upon an equality with their more potent neighbors. They would endeavor to supply the inferiority of population and resources by a more regular and effective system of defense, by disciplined troops, and by fortifications. They would, at the same time, be necessitated to strengthen the executive arm of government, in doing which their constitutions would acquire a progressive direction toward monarchy. It is of the nature of war to increase the executive at the expense of the legislative authority.

The expedients which have been mentioned would soon give the States or confederacies that made use of them a superiority over their neighbors. Small states, or states of less natural strength, under vigorous governments, and with the assistance of disciplined armies, have often triumphed over large states, or states of greater natural strength, which have been destitute of these advantages. Neither the pride nor the safety of the more important States or confederacies would permit them long to submit to this mortifying and adventitious superiority. They would quickly resort to means similar to those by which it had been effected, to reinstate themselves in their lost pre-eminence. Thus, we should, in a little time, see established in every part of this country the same engines of despotism which have been the scourge of the Old World. This, at least, would be the natural course of things; and our reasonings will be the more likely to be just, in proportion as they are accommodated to this standard.



A militia of the people, or Posse Comitatus would be a counter-balance to a standing army. In The Federalist #29, Hamilton states the need for a militia to be regulated by the States, not the Federal government:
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THE power of regulating the militia, and of commanding its services in times of insurrection and invasion are natural incidents to the duties of superintending the common defense, and of watching over the internal peace of the Confederacy.

It requires no skill in the science of war to discern that uniformity in the organization and discipline of the militia would be attended with the most beneficial effects, whenever they were called into service for the public defense. It would enable them to discharge the duties of the camp and of the field with mutual intelligence and concert; an advantage of peculiar moment in the operations of an army; and it would fit them much sooner to acquire the degree of proficiency in military functions which would be essential to their usefulness. This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS."


Hamilton then argues that the formation of the militia by itself should be enough to prevent a standing army from forming.

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Of the different grounds which have been taken in opposition to the plan of the convention, there is none that was so little to have been expected, or is so untenable in itself, as the one from which this particular provision has been attacked. If a well-regulated militia be the most natural defense of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security. If standing armies are dangerous to liberty, an efficacious power over the militia, in the body to whose care the protection of the State is committed, ought, as far as possible, to take away the inducement and the pretext to such unfriendly institutions. If the federal government can command the aid of the militia in those emergencies which call for the military arm in support of the civil magistrate, it can the better dispense with the employment of a different kind of force. If it cannot avail itself of the former, it will be obliged to recur to the latter. To render an army unnecessary, will be a more certain method of preventing its existence than a thousand prohibitions upon paper.

Hamilton now argues that it is impractical to expect a militia to act as a standing army.
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"The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.

Hamilton then reasons that if there should be a need for a standing army, there should at least also be a disciplined militia to offset the power of the army.
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"But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well-digested plan should, as soon as possible, be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate extent, upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."

Finally, Hamilton supposes that a militia under the control of the States would resist the temptation of a Federal authority using it for it's own purposes.
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There is something so far-fetched and so extravagant in the idea of danger to liberty from the militia, that one is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or with raillery; whether to consider it as a mere trial of skill, like the paradoxes of rhetoricians; as a disingenuous artifice to instil prejudices at any price; or as the serious offspring of political fanaticism. Where in the name of common-sense, are our fears to end if we may not trust our sons, our brothers, our neighbors, our fellow-citizens? What shadow of danger can there be from men who are daily mingling with the rest of their countrymen and who participate with them in the same feelings, sentiments, habits and interests? What reasonable cause of apprehension can be inferred from a power in the Union to prescribe regulations for the militia, and to command its services when necessary, while the particular States are to have the SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS? If it were possible seriously to indulge a jealousy of the militia upon any conceivable establishment under the federal government, the circumstance of the officers being in the appointment of the States ought at once to extinguish it. There can be no doubt that this circumstance will always secure to them a preponderating influence over the militia.

A sample of this is to be observed in the exaggerated and improbable suggestions which have taken place respecting the power of calling for the services of the militia. That of New Hampshire is to be marched to Georgia, of Georgia to New Hampshire, of New York to Kentucky, and of Kentucky to Lake Champlain. Nay, the debts due to the French and Dutch are to be paid in militiamen instead of louis d'ors and ducats. At one moment there is to be a large army to lay prostrate the liberties of the people; at another moment the militia of Virginia are to be dragged from their homes five or six hundred miles, to tame the republican contumacy of Massachusetts; and that of Massachusetts is to be transported an equal distance to subdue the refractory haughtiness of the aristocratic Virginians. Do the persons who rave at this rate imagine that their art or their eloquence can impose any conceits or absurdities upon the people of America for infallible truths?

If there should be an army to be made use of as the engine of despotism, what need of the militia? If there should be no army, whither would the militia, irritated by being called upon to undertake a distant and hopeless expedition, for the purpose of riveting the chains of slavery upon a part of their countrymen, direct their course, but to the seat of the tyrants, who had meditated so foolish as well as so wicked a project, to crush them in their imagined intrenchments of power, and to make them an example of the just vengeance of an abused and incensed people? Is this the way in which usurpers stride to dominion over a numerous and enlightened nation? Do they begin by exciting the detestation of the very instruments of their intended usurpations? Do they usually commence their career by wanton and disgustful acts of power, calculated to answer no end, but to draw upon themselves universal hatred and execration? Are suppositions of this sort the sober admonitions of discerning patriots to a discerning people? Or are they the inflammatory ravings of incendiaries or distempered enthusiasts? If we were even to suppose the national rulers actuated by the most ungovernable ambition, it is impossible to believe that they would employ such preposterous means to accomplish their designs.


James Madison adds to this in Federalist #46:


Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence... Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

It is clear that the "militia" was meant to be the civilian population-at-large, armed with their own weapons equal to those of a standing army, and trusted to bear them in their own common defense.

-PJ

17 posted on 06/23/2016 11:20:50 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Good to have a further etymology. Works out the same.


18 posted on 06/23/2016 11:33:34 AM PDT by arthurus
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