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News9 Oklahoma ^ | 06/08/2016 | Aaron Brilbeck

[Lazamataz]

Uh, arresting them is the FIRST step.

I answered your question, "Are you saying that those arrested for drugs are innocent?", with a yes. Yes, they are innocent, until proven guilty.

. If, however, they are found not-guilty, they are let go and also their money is let go. Simple. Follow the law. Keep your cash.

Wrong-o, Mary Lou.

From Heritage Foundation:

4. What if I’m innocent? Surely, innocent people can’t have their property taken.

Being innocent does not mean that a state has to return your property. The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the “innocent owner” defense is not constitutionally required.

Additionally, I can come up with hundreds, maybe even thousands of cases of civil forfeiture used abusively -- even a set of seizures where people's cars were taking because the CLUB OWNER of the club they visited violated the law -- but I see you will discount any or all of those as 'cherry picked', so there is no reasoning with you. You are an extreme statist Police State lover, and would have been George Soros's Kapo friend as you rounded up your fellow Jews.

[cynwoody]

Card readers cost about $70. Card encoders cost a few hundred. A USB key fob able to store millions of cards securely encrypted costs $17. An email account able to transfer those encrypted cards around the world instantly is free.

So, obviously, if you want to transport a few thousand Ben Franklins from point A to point B, you just read the mag stripe off your prepaid card and email it to point B, where the recipient encodes it onto a card and spends it.

[sagar]

Cops have to do their job — patronizing shady clubs dealing with drugs? If you are, good luck with whitewashing that stash of cash in your car. The justice system is based on due process. You do NOT have to worry about anything if you are innocent. Otherwise the constitutional system breaks down and the mob will rule.

[cynwoody]

Catching card skimmers is a worthy endeavor.

However, civil forfeiture should be strictly illegal. If the price is losing the drug war, it is not too high a price.

[Lazamataz]

The justice system is based on due process.

For everything except forfeiture. I've shown you the law and the analysis, but like a good little statist, you screw your eyes shut and yell "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!"

You do NOT have to worry about anything if you are innocent.

LOL! Yer funny. :)

[sagar]

You have proven nothing. I will not take your so called analysis over the law. The law is clear. Without the due process of the law, you cannot be deprived of life, liberty, and property. Calling other badge locker won’t prove anything. I believe in the justice system, unlike you.

[Lazamataz]

You have proven nothing. I will not take your so called analysis over the law. The law is clear. Without the due process of the law, you cannot be deprived of life, liberty, and property.

SCOTUS says you are wrong.

Under federal and state laws known as civil forfeiture, police can seize cash or property if they suspect it's tied to an illegal activity even if the property owner isn't charged with a crime. On its face, this practice seems like an obvious violation of the Fifth Amendment's stipulation that you can't "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The Supreme Court has ruled otherwise. That court has issued a number of rulings upholding civil forfeiture, including one in 1996 that said seizure of an innocent person's property didn't violate due process. In that case, a Michigan woman named Tina Bennis fought the seizure of her car after her husband was caught having sex with a prostitute in it.

For her part, Bennis argued she had no clue her husband would use the car for the illegal tryst. The high court ruled that didn't matter, citing the following case law:

"It has long been settled that statutory forfeitures of property entrusted by the innocent owner or lienor to another who uses it in violation of the revenue laws of the United States is not a violation of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment."

You can be completely innocent of any crime -- not even ACCUSED!-- and your property is still forfeit.

If you feel this is Constitutional, then you are a Statist copsucker.

[sagar]

Even the case you cited, the woman’s car was used by her husband to commit a crime. It was her husband’s car, too. Can you show me a property seizure where the owner or the guardian wasn’t involved in a crime? If not, the constitutional due process was followed. Stop making excuses for the criminals.

[B4Ranch]

>>rely on just the county sheriff and 2nd Amendment.<<

I’m not too impressed with the Democrat sheriff we now have in Washoe County, NV.

[Lazamataz]

You are all for an innocent person having their property seized.

Yeah, you’re evil.

We’re done here.

[sagar]

“You are all for an innocent person having their property seized.”

No, but if your husband is committing crime using the property, that property can be seized. The moral of the story — be responsible and avoid criminals. You should be fine.

“Yeah, you’re evil.

We’re done here.”

I’m in the side of the good. Bye.

[Huaynero]

It’s now the Highwaymen, not Highway Patrol

and the CO of this merry band is the Sheriff of Nottingham.

[Cyberman]

Is there a way to expel a state from the Union?

[Cyberman]

Even the case you cited, the woman’s car was used by her husband to commit a crime. It was her husband’s car, too.

The typical pretzel logic of the anti-private-property statist jackboot licker.

[sagar]

Nothing illogical about it. If a husband commits a crime, you don’t whine how jailing him affects his poor innocent kids. Justice doesn’t care, as long as the due process was followed.

Don’t commit crime and your property, liberty, and life will not be taken away by the constitutional government. America isn’t Cuba or North Korea. Follow the law and be reaponsible and you will be fine.

[Cyberman]

America isn’t Cuba or North Korea.

Then why aren't the uniformed criminals in jail?

[sagar]

“Is there a way to expel a state from the Union?”

Expel the most Republican conservative State? You must be from Massachusetts.

[Rebelbase]

About 10 years ago an old girlfriend’s son went from NC to TX to help a friend of his with a large repo job and made $3000 in a couple of days, paid in cash.

Driving back home at 2:00am he gets pulled out in the sticks by a deputy for no reason other than having out of state plates.

The money was seized and he was threatened with ‘money laundering and locked up in a po-dunk TX county jail. His mother was put in touch with a local attorney who told her it was real bad and it would take $15,000 to make it go away. She wired the money and the kid was freed.

The cops kept the $3,000. I’m sure the attorney and cops have a racket going on and some of the attorney fee was split with the sheriff.

Dirtbags, all of them.

[MarchonDC09122009]

FRiends, I am in complete agreement with you.
Civil Forfeiture and Any violation of our constitutional rights is absolutely wrong.

This ERAD bank snoop and seize scheme is definitely going to be abused.
We need solid use guidelines that adhere to the 4th and 5th.
Liberty first and foremost.