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Chaos on the Convention Floor as RNC Blocks Ron Paul Delegates, Alters Seating Rules
Democracy Now! ^ | Aug 29, 2012 | Democracy Now!

Posted on 05/05/2016 11:26:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyX

DemocracyNow.org - Controversy erupted on the convention floor when a dispute broke out over whether to seat the delegates of presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul of Texas. Part of Maine's delegation stormed off the floor in protest of a decision to strip away half of Paul's delegates. Supportive members of other delegations rose to their feet and hollered their objections, angered by new rules that they say they will make it harder for grassroots candidates to stand a chance in future elections. Democracy Now! producer Deena Guzder was on the scene and filed this report.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012election; democracynow; election2012; paul; paultardation; paultardnoisemachine; randpaulnoisemachine; randsconcerntrolls; rnc; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile
The upcoming 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio has already been the subject of much speculation about how the Delegates will and will not be seated, be subjected to rule changes, denied recognition on the floor of the convention, and vote. A look back at the 2012 and 2008 conventions may or may not foreshadow the conflicts to come in the 2016 convention this summer. Will the char again refuse to recognize the calls for division, objection, and points of order?
1 posted on 05/05/2016 11:26:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Ron Paul is no Donald Trump.

Ron was more like Ted Cruz, having finagled delegate that he didn’t earn through voting.


2 posted on 05/05/2016 11:29:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: WhiskeyX

Let’s not forget who is at the helm of the convention for delegates in Cleveland - Paul Manafort - enough said.


3 posted on 05/05/2016 11:37:42 AM PDT by Catsrus (I callz 'eYou m as I seez 'em)
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To: DannyTN

Nailed it.


4 posted on 05/05/2016 11:37:54 AM PDT by proust (Texans for Trump!)
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To: DannyTN

/bingo


5 posted on 05/05/2016 11:38:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: WhiskeyX
We knew there were some shenanigans that worked against Ron Paul having delegates he earned. We knew it was declared "over" and McCain the prohibitive front-runner when Huckabee was gaining traction. We've learned that there were shenanigans that hurt Santorum.

I don't think we knew how bad it is, both political parties. It's been that way since GWB got steamrolled into the nomination with massive amounts of money, cutting off Forbes and Quayle. We went along with all the dismissive stuff the puppetmasters told us.

Thanks to Trump and Sanders tearing the system apart. We now know we've had NOTHING to do with choosing the President since Ronald Reagan.

It's an argument to use to convince folks to vote for Trump. Who knows what else we'll learn if we can clean the old garbage out of DC?

6 posted on 05/05/2016 11:45:35 AM PDT by grania
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To: Catsrus

I’m wondering if Paul Manafort’s skills skills will keep the election honest.


7 posted on 05/05/2016 11:46:40 AM PDT by grania
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To: WhiskeyX

I predict the rat convention may be a tad bit more ‘contested’ than the gop one.


8 posted on 05/05/2016 11:48:05 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: DannyTN

Ron Paul likes to hide the truth about the Treasury - the other head on that financial crisis serpent. He gains support when it comes to the Fed, but keeps everyone in the dark about how the Treasury works.

Ron Paul isn’t who he seems to be. Still a good guy, but his armor isn’t shiny.


9 posted on 05/05/2016 12:23:17 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: lacrew

Another “BINGO!” moment.

While we talk about the GOP stuff, I feel a lot of us are ignoring the strife on the other side. The enemy is about to experience it’s first “split” in more than a century.

I hope Bernie has Joe Leiberman on speed dial - he’s gonna see first hand how the Dems eat their own when they stray off the plantation even slightly.

And I hope Bernie is enough of a psychopath to continue his bid. I really, really hope this. If Bernie is on that ballot then Clinton has no mathematical chance of winning. If she does win, then the crime will be obvious.


10 posted on 05/05/2016 12:25:52 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: WhiskeyX

Prior to this debacle, most state delegations were in no way bound to vote for the candidate who won the most votes in the first round. Following this, 48 out of 50 states had such a requirement.

Sen. Santorum had won several states, only to have his win stripped away from him by Ron Paul’s maneuvers to crash the state parties and have his loyalists elected in spite of having no intention to vote for the winner.

This is not to say that the states ever intended to have “faithless delegates” as they were called. Delegates were expected to vote for who they were assigned to vote for, based on elections, barring unusual circumstances, such a zombie candidacy being used to block a majority from forming.

And no, I don’t mean a “zombie candidate” as someone who persists after his election becomes unlikely, like people were worried Ted Cruz would be, but someone who was no longer a candidate, but didn’t want to free his delegates to help another candidate reach a majority.

So, really, the 2012 convention made huge strides towards democracy on one hand. On the other hand, it’s shameful that, yet again, unwritten codes of conduct had to be carved into stone, incapable of allowing responses to reasonable circumstances.


11 posted on 05/05/2016 12:29:43 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Catsrus

where did you come up with that?


12 posted on 05/05/2016 12:44:30 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Catsrus

The chair of the convention is Paul Ryan


13 posted on 05/05/2016 12:46:04 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Bookmark


14 posted on 05/05/2016 1:35:16 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Nifster

Where did I come p with what? Paul Manafort works for T Rump. Paul Manafort was hired to be the convention leader for is campaign. I’m not sure what his title is, but, his expertise is in that area. Do your homework.


15 posted on 05/05/2016 2:24:23 PM PDT by Catsrus (I callz 'eYou m as I seez 'em)
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To: Catsrus

I know exactly what and who manafort is.

Paul Ryan is chair of the convention. He holds the gavel. He decides who to recognize etc etc

Manafort is a wrangler. That is what he needs to do but that usually is behind the scenes


16 posted on 05/05/2016 3:26:54 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: DannyTN
Ron was more like Ted Cruz, having finagled delegate that he didn’t earn through voting.

They didn't allow it with Ron Paul but they are going to allow it with Ted Cruz??? What a corrupt organization...

17 posted on 05/05/2016 6:05:57 PM PDT by Iscool
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