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Putting women on the front line is dangerous PC meddling. We will pay for it in blood
The Telegraph ^ | April 5, 2016 | Colonel Richard Kemp

Posted on 04/06/2016 4:31:06 AM PDT by huldah1776

The Ministry of Defence admits it is reviewing military physical fitness standards in preparation for the expected announcement later this year that women will be allowed to serve in all front-line combat units, including the infantry and SAS.

The MoD denies that standards will be reduced, but of course that is precisely what is going to happen. Generals – having put up a fight for many years – have been told women will join front-line units and, like the good soldiers they are, intend to make it work.

The people who have demanded this change – politicians desperate to be seen as “progressive”, feminist zealots and ideologues hell-bent on equality of opportunity without exception – would never dream of volunteering. Indeed only a very small number of women will want to join the infantry and of those only a fraction will have the physical capability. Hence the need to lower the bar.

This is an extremely dangerous move. Physical fitness is the single most important building block for an infantry soldier. Everything else depends on it. The only people who fully understand the demands of infantry close combat are infantrymen themselves. I have not heard a single serving or retired infantryman say that admitting women is the right thing to do – unless their wives or senior officers are listening. The overwhelming majority are vehemently opposed and many have said that if women join they will leave.

Why do feelings run so high? Because every infantryman knows that the price for this social engineering experiment will be paid in blood

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deployment; dod; feminism; military; standards
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Paid in blood.
1 posted on 04/06/2016 4:31:06 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Women in combat will work for us as well as the Germans putting 10-16 year olds on the front line did for them in 1945.

2 posted on 04/06/2016 4:38:30 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: huldah1776
Back when folks studied philosophy, there were discussions about human nature. If men regard women as fellow warriors instead of needing protection so that women can raise families and provide stability, nothing holds masculine aggressive nature in check. Many women don't develop necessary skills to support civilization and culture if they don't develop nurturing tendencies.

JMHO....from FR's resident proud-to-be Luddite!

3 posted on 04/06/2016 4:41:02 AM PDT by grania
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To: huldah1776

They’re already being raped and killed overseas and NO ONE cares. I’ve been shocked at the ennui of the American people towards this evil trend.

4 posted on 04/06/2016 4:48:12 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: huldah1776

Good to see the Brits joining their American cohorts in the femminization of the infantry. When called upon, most will be suddenly ill, pregnant or “indisposed.” Thus with no troops to send, the generals will either be forced to fight themselves or more likely quickly surrender and avoid the predicted bloodbath.

5 posted on 04/06/2016 4:48:46 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: huldah1776
Generals are in a tough spot here.

Resignations by the harder-core among them just open up slots to be filled by more feminized versions. Don't know about the Brits, but Obama would love to see people who oppose him resign.

The real problem is with the voters, who control our elected leaders and apparently don't care. Probably worth noting that neither Trump, nor Cruz, nor Kasich is talking about this on the campaign trail either. We got a couple of comments when the draft issue was raised, then silence.

They don't care.

6 posted on 04/06/2016 4:54:58 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: miss marmelstein

Not important, the Romney, Burr & Sununu type-boys don’t serve as a rule, and certainly not in the front lines.

7 posted on 04/06/2016 4:55:48 AM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“Women in combat will work for us as well as the Germans putting 10-16 year olds on the front line did for them in 1945.”

Shhhhhhh. Not so loud. The social engineers are already looking at that.

8 posted on 04/06/2016 4:56:08 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

We have to make them care.

9 posted on 04/06/2016 4:57:41 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: huldah1776

I tried. I wrote them all, and got exactly the result I expected. None of the talk show guys will bring it up either.

10 posted on 04/06/2016 4:59:46 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Women in combat will work for us as well as the Germans putting 10-16 year olds on the front line did for them in 1945.

It’s actually more akin to the Nazi high command demanding that the Wehrmacht be infused with pre-teen boys at the start of hostilities, instead of being used as a last resort...incredibly stupid...

if women in combat were such a great idea, wouldn’t history have told us that...?

11 posted on 04/06/2016 5:00:20 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: huldah1776

But...but...I thought one of the goals was equality between the sexes. Is a female Private paid less than a male Private? Seems to me the liberals should be all for this.

12 posted on 04/06/2016 5:00:23 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Israel has tried that already.

The results were horrendous.

This will get a lot of good men killed.

And a lot of good women raped, tortured and worse.

And the useless Geneva Conventions will do nothing to prevent it.

13 posted on 04/06/2016 5:02:21 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: huldah1776

I think it’s meant to demoralize the military so the argument can be made to reinstate the draft.

14 posted on 04/06/2016 5:11:07 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: exit82

“This will get a lot of good men killed.”

From a leftist viewpoint there are no good men in the military, just a bunch of gun loving militarist oppressors. They dont care if they get killed, they welcome it. Plus it advances political correctness. Win win for them.

15 posted on 04/06/2016 5:12:52 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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16 posted on 04/06/2016 5:15:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: huldah1776

This will certainly cut down on the number of women going into the military,..except for the LBGTQ crowd. And soon normal men won’t sign up either, so the Democrats will achieve their goal of gutting the US military.

17 posted on 04/06/2016 5:20:03 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

And in the end, they will surrender to Islam and just convert.

“Faced with ISIS, these Italian students would convert to Islam”

ROME: 90% would not hesitate to convert to Islam to save their own lives, if the Islamic State should conquer the country. This “shock result” (Il Giornale) was produced by a test of 13-year-olds in an Italian middle school. Only 2 of 25 students disagreed. Both of them are from devout Catholic families.

What Italian city or what school is neither here nor there. The subject of Islam and violence is being discussed everywhere. The phenomenon affects all of Europe. The Catholic internet daily Il Sussidiario reported on the third level of a random Italian middle school. All of the 25 students are 13-years-old. They too were talking about Islam. They wanted information from their teacher about the Islamic State. Who is that? What is its program? How does it operate?

“What Would You Do If the Islamic State Came to Your House?”

The teacher gave them information. And also reported that many fighters for the Islamic State came from Europe. Young Muslims of the second and third generation. Well-integrated, from well-to-do families, and many of them have even begun or completed university studies. One of the best-known executioners for the Islamic State was previously a well-known DJ. The teacher described for them how the Islamic State is destroying all Christian symbols and threatening to kill anyone who is not ready to convert to Islam. And she did not withhold the fact that many Christians were killed or enslaved because of their religion.

At the end, she asked them a question: “What would you do if the Islamic State came to your house?”

According to Il Giornale, “The answer was almost unanimous and shocking”. 23 of them declared without hesitation that they would convert to Islam. The two hold-outs were from practicing Catholic families.

“A Society With No Ideals”

Some people now will say that this was “not representative” and, first and foremost, the Islamic State danger in Europe is not real, so we should first see what the reaction would be, if it were real. That may be. Yet, this event is appropriate for some necessary reflection. It is better to recognize what is unpleasant than it is to suppress it. Both the attitude of the 23 as well as that of the other two students deserve comment. The first comment comes from the online daily Il Giornale and deserves to be our beginning. “It is clear that we live in a society without ideals.”

Christmas and Easter have been taken from the children and replaced by empty words like “winter” and “spring”, which have neither their own history nor the ability to move people to strive for higher goals. They are “value-neutral” words, which have no “face”, and therefore no true value. Ideals need a face. They must be tangible and personified, must be vibrant. The values imparted today are restricted to a level of not even secondary virtues. Don’t smoke. Eat healthy. Think politically correctly (which includes the gender-ideology — an anti-ideal that demands a self-alienation of the human being). In this canon of neutral values, however, there is nothing for which you would risk your life, nothing which could move and ignite soul and spirit.

We Have Been Robbed of Christ and Our History

We have been robbed of Christ and our history. By whom? Without our agreement — which seldom is given directly, but insidiously — nothing would be possible. Halb zog sie ihn, halb sank er hin.[1] Goethe’s words also apply to the de-idealization and de-Christianization of Europe. The theft of our own identity is proceeding on many levels. The result is this conclusion reached by 23 of 25 students. The summary of Il Giornale is: “We created this generation of children.”

The old Marxists, it is true, have been saying for 25 years that communism is dead, but whenever they hear the Internationale, they have to hold back the tears. We could laugh about Guareschi’s Don Camillo and Peppone[2], because we recognized ourselves there — we Catholics and we communists. The era of these novels and film characters is also our time. They told the truth with humor. They could still move us, because there was something serious behind them.

The Romans Had Bread and Circuses; We Have Sex and Circuses. What is the Difference?

Since the fall of actual socialism, we have had only years of doubt, skepticism, gradual breakdown, suspicion, hatred, cunning and cynical manipulation. And now we are expected to tell our young people to take up weapons and defend themselves when the executioners of the Islamic State come? In the name of what ideals and values are we to ask that of them? In the name of those ideals we never taught them, but denigrated in their eyes?

We have taken everything from them and given them nothing except an enervating prosperity, and the desire for the newest smartphone and the “ideal” game. You need a job (not a profession) to get money in your pocket so you can afford an ultimate entertainment highlight in your life. The Romans had bread and circuses; we have sex and circuses. What’s the difference?

The decision by the majority of students testifies for the complete failure of a living connection with Jesus Christ and his Church. Therefore something should be said about the two students who contradicted the majority, for they symbolize what is still healthy in us. Getting to the bottom of what impelled them to this contradiction means finding the answer to the nagging question of what inner and outward attitude must be revived, so that we can subsist.

The Slogan is: “I Give Up!” — The Delusions of Lack of Identity

Let us first note that none of the other students joined them in their opinion, even after they had justified their position. The majority chose the path of least resistance. The (anti-)ideal of the younger generation is capitulation. The motto is: What do I do when the Islamic State comes and demands something from me with force? I capitulate!

The two students who gave a contrary opinion and stayed with it, even though they were in a decided minority, are from families that are not like the average. They are devout — not just nominal — Catholic families. Both they and the other students no doubt felt this difference. Anyone who stands up for ideals in this age is regarded as anachronistic. Anyone who is devout nowadays is laughed at — can quickly become an outsider. The “healthy, rich and beautiful” people think religious faith is for the weak, the poor or others who are somehow deficient.

The questioning of the students, on the other hand, showed who meekly capitulated to the arrogance of the powerful and who stood their ground. That is how quickly the allegedly weak are shown to be the strong.

A Type of Subject That Totalitarianism Desires But Only Democracy Has Created

(Lucas Doninelli in Il Giornale: “There is a type of subject desired by all totalitarianisms. but only democracy, or what we call democracy, is capable — with our permission — of creating.”)

We are left with the shattering fact that this generation of our children is growing up as the cannon fodder of tomorrow. They are largely unprepared and incapable of surviving outside their consumer and pleasure bubble. This is a generation that is prepared to approve any capitulation unconditionally the minute any blowhard with a weapon in hand jumps off the TV or computer screen into real life. Worse still: This generation is being raised to mistrust anyone who does not confirm and bow to the dominant mainstream. It is being immunized against the healing powers which could change its fate, and perhaps that of whole peoples.

Decisive resistance comes from someone who is firmly founded in belief. But this very faith is often questioned, relativized and minimized, instead of being reinforced, even by representatives of the Church. Just think of the endless litanies of many clerics and lay functionaries who insist on the absurd contention that all religions are “good, peaceful and beneficial”. Or those who advocate — with emphasis on symbols — that “all religions are important and valuable”.

The Complicity of “Inter-Religious” Representatives of the Church

(“Many bishops, priests and people of religious orders wandering around the land have no idea what they are doing, because the teaching profession is too often shrouded in a thick fog created by the enemies of Christ and his Church — both inside and outside of the Church“ — from the traditional internet site, Messa in Latino.)

The responsibility for the devastating answer of the 23 students who would not hesitate to convert to Islam, because religion ultimately plays no role in preserving life in the world they have been presented, by no means falls primarily on the representatives of the Church. But they are complicit.

We may hope that the article about the 25 students — the decision of the 23 and the decision of the 2 — will be read in the Vatican as well, and also in the parishes of the countryside and the city. To open a path for pondering and rethinking.

And finally, we should beseech Mary, Mother of God, succor of Christians, for her help, so that the younger generations may receive the faith and will — in time of danger and trial — call upon the name of Jesus, as the Coptic martyrs did when they were murdered by the Islamic State (IS) out of hatred for their faith.

18 posted on 04/06/2016 5:20:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Women in combat will work for us as well as the Germans putting 10-16 year olds on the front line did for them in 1945.

Exactly where are the “front lines” in the war with Islam?
A Brussels Airport?
A French Concert Hall?
A British Metro Station
A Russian School?
A Texas Work Place?

19 posted on 04/06/2016 5:27:27 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: exit82
The reason that Israel stopped using women in combat was indeed to save lives of their soldiers. Women were used in combat during the 1948-49 Independence War out of necessity, lack of manpower being the reason. What the Israelis found out was that their opponents, Muslim Arabs, would fight to the death if they knew they were fighting against women, out of pure pride. In the the long run, even the victors suffer greater casualties. The Islamic mind is more apt to give up and surrender in combat if confronted by an all male force. It marginal jihadists are surrounded in a building and are facing a mixed sex force, the building is going to have to be stormed and every fighter killed with the extra dead and wounded suffered by the attacking force also. If no women are present, the marginal jihadists were more likely give up, and come out with their hands up.
20 posted on 04/06/2016 5:33:46 AM PDT by gusty
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