Posted on 01/05/2016 9:15:51 AM PST by Lazamataz
Ok, now I'm confused.
I do not think the ATF would have Obama's Executive Order implemented BEFORE the EO is even issued, right?
Well, here's the ATF Brochure on when you need an FFL, and the text largely mimics his E0 -- at least the preview, anyways.
DO I NEED A LICENSE TO BUY AND SELL FIREARMS? Guidance to help you understand when a Federal Firearms License is required under federal law
Here is this brochure's copy. I'm not certain if the brochure is new, but I suspect it has been there for a while:
Here is OTrauma's EO copy:
A person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms regardless of the location in which firearm transactions are conducted. For example, a person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms even if the person only conducts firearm transactions at gun shows or through the Internet. Those engaged in the business of dealing in firearms who utilize the Internet or other technologies must obtain a license, just as a dealer whose business is run out of a traditional brick-and-mortar store.
Quantity and frequency of sales are relevant indicators. There is no specific threshold number of firearms purchased or sold that triggers the licensure requirement. But it is important to note that even a few transactions, when combined with other evidence, can be sufficient to establish that a person is âengaged in the business.â For example, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a license when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, when other factors also were present.
There are criminal penalties for failing to comply with these requirements. A person who willfully engages in the business of dealing in firearms without the required license is subject to criminal prosecution and can be sentenced up to five years in prison and fined up to $250,000. Dealers are also subject to penalties for failing to conduct background checks before completing a sale.
He thinks WE’RE fools. He’s stupid enough to believe that, and if we’re smart we’ll keep quiet and keep our guns.
It chills me. How are we a free country AT ALL any more? No privacy at the doctor, we are to have Federal Data Collection. Forced vaccinations or no schooling. Gun owners are being driven underground. We are no freer than any other country.
And we need people saying so today. Donald Trump, maybe the other candidates need to say so right now: EXECUTIVE ORDERS ARE FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY and gun control is not an emergency. We must not get used to a monarchy.
I thank God every day that Texas has a governor who is watching every stupid move by that lawless crew and is working to protect the citizens here from such idiocy!
I hope your governor joins him in preventing any sort of gun grabs or unlawful invasion of your privacy!
Really? Or wishful thinking?
I have been the victim of BATF and I am watched now ... I don't know THAT much because my guns have all fallen into a deep lake ... somewhere ... when I was drunk
New Hampshire?
The Gulf ?
Just can't remember
Well, since they aren’t Christians, I can believe that they’d deny the scripture of God.
You can bet the farm that they have guns stashed with all those groceries that they are hiding for the “race war” they believe in.
I’m Catholic so I’m with you there...but their famous saying is ‘when the end is near, we will be walking back to Navoo, Ill’...don’t know what that means...
Beware of stings and operatives. These rules are intentionally imprecise so that they can be used to set up a one time gun sale.
The problem is that a leftist posing as a gun buyer can act as a front for the Feds. They can also use extortion against a seller.
What we really need to know are the enforcement guidelines.
No, that is for real. He is using a SS number that was used before. “He” got this number around age 16, probably when he got his first official job, at Baskin Robbins in Honolulu. Typical White Granny was a bank VP and could have tried to help him come up with one; she must have known he wasn’t a real citizen and she probably got one for him that he could use to work in the US.
He has actually used several different ones, but the main one he uses was used before, if I recall correctly, around 100 years ago.
Our President literally would be rejected by eVerify (FReepers have done it), meaning you should turn him down to clean your toilets.
It’s where that nut “found” the golden tablets and they were kicked out because of their ideas about plural marriages. So I guess it’s their “promised land” or return to Israel moment. LOL!
I would not put it past this administration to show us “commoners” one version, and pass another version. Jus sayin’...
The ATF also changes its mind without warrant. The Sig arm brace for rifles was first ruled by ATF to NOT be a stock. Then when a youtube video surfaced of someone placing the brace against their shoulder the ATF made a new ruling contradicting the first ruling. It is known in fascist circles as ruling by regulators and bureaucrats. Law has little to do with it since it is fiat empowerment at stake.
The tech has never proven valid. Not only that, but what if you really, really need to use that gun right now, and the battery on the fingerprint ID is dead?
I'd have no problem with that tech, as long as all LEOs and Agents nationwide adopt it first, as mandatory, so no one can take their gun from them and use it on them, or someone else.
As long as there is a chance of a wounded strong arm requiring a shift to the other hand, fingerprint tech is dead in the water as is the hapless victim of an attacker and government pipe dreams.
"U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued what Second Amendment supporters likely see as a dark warning about the White Houseââ¬â¢s looming executive order on guns, telling a group of reporters the federal government would be actively searching out those firearmsââ¬â¢ owners who want to sidestep registration. "
The thread needs to stand. Just do another when more data is available.
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