the GOP and MSM support treason with alQaeda
getting MUCH MORE protection than the American people.
Posted on 11/07/2015 7:40:45 AM PST by RetiredArmy
Abraham Lincoln was right when he evoked “the proposition that all men are created equal†as a necessary prerequisite for what he described as “government of the people, by the people, for the peopleâ€. Regrettably, though “equality†has become a byword in the discussion of political justice in the United States, the very idea of creation has been systematically hunted down and driven from the political arena. It has been stigmatized as a religious imposition that violates what is alleged to be the U.S. Constitution’s demand for “the separation of Church and Stateâ€.
Of course, no such requirement is imposed by any provision of the Constitution. The closest it comes is the language of Article VI, which states that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.†But this language is precisely intended to make sure that no one will be excluded or hounded from such an official position in the U.S. government simply on account of the tenets of their religion. How can this be construed to prohibit the conjunction of church and state? To the contrary, it assures, in effect, that no person will ever be excluded from government service simply on account of the religious congregation (church) in which they profess to participate.
Now consider what it is that constitutes the union in which the people of the United States gather together (congregate) as one nation, one people, despite all the different nationalities (separate and distinct peoples) from which they derive? It obviously can be neither our common ancestry and/or physical appearance (race); nor our native languages or long held tribal customs. Nor can it can be the mere fact that we have come together in the same place. To the contrary, the competition for territory and/or for the opportunity to exploit the physical or human resources our situation happens to offer, has been and remains a source of passionate, even violent, conflict.
We find evidence for this, in the past, in the land use wars among cattle ranchers, or between ranchers and sheep herders. We find it, in the past and at present, in the murderous competition among gangs in the ethnically diverse neighborhoods of our urban conglomerates. It also appears, now and in the past, in the form of conflicts over water and grazing rights, mining claims, drilling rights and land use.
What is it then that makes of us one nation? From the beginning, it has been more a moral than a material union. As a matter of conscious choice, the cause of our union it has been our adherence to a certain understanding of justice which reflects our understanding of the origin and way of being all human beings have in common. Though the American Revolution began in the name of right as defined by a particular nation (“the rights of Englishmenâ€), the people of the United States emerged as such in the name of right as defined by the Creator, for all who bear the title of humanity.
In respect of this premise of justice, the people of the United States are, as it were, a religious congregation. Our acknowledgement of right and justice for all, as defined and promulgated by the authority of the Creator, is the tenet that makes of us one people, one nation- not just on the earth or under the Sun and stars, but under God, who made and set them all in motion. In this sense, we cannot separate our national creed from our national state or condition without destroying the very foundation of the way of life we have in common.
As Lincoln understood, the fact that some people insisted on imperiously maintaining a way of life that rejected this tenet of our congregation as one people (our union), made them the efficient cause of the first Civil War. The way of life they sought to maintain (the regime of master and slave) was the formal cause of that conflict. Since the union was predicated upon a regime of government by consent, rather than enslavement, this formal cause subverted the very foundation of the union, and the Constitution devised to perfect it. The economic implications of this constitutional subversion made it the formal cause of the first Civil war. For the premise of human natural equality that made slavery an injustice was the moral tie that effectively brought Americans together as human beings, in respect of a common origin in the Being and will of the Creator, God.
Because some insisted on disparaging this common heritage, and others conscientiously resented that disparagement, those who had been, as it were, brothers and sisters by virtue of their common humanity, were set to oppose one another. This disrupted America’s households, and sundered the communities in which Americans came together to secure justice, as well as the blessings good people may derive from exercising the unalienable right of liberty.
Though many of us are still loath to admit it, America is now engaged in a new Civil War. It threatens consequences as dire as the last, but more likely than before to fall upon us. It is more likely precisely because so many Americans who profess to be of good faith continue to shut their eyes to the reality of the ongoing conflict. Their blindness persists because they have fallen prey to the fatal lie that denies the moral, spiritual, and therefore religious character of our identity as a people. We may not all of us practice the same rituals or acknowledge in our particular lives the same meaning for divinity. But as a people we must uphold the premise that is the reason for our existence, or as a people we must perish as that reason perishes.
Our danger reminds me of that species of nuclear weapon that kills people but leaves most of their buildings standing. What destruction that they can or will not see erases their common life. But in our present crisis as a nation, that common life is what really matters. It is the stuff that makes us who and what we are as one people. We live now as individuals, at ground zero in the path of the ongoing destruction of our nation. Indeed, as a nation, we may already be dead and gone. Like the zombies so in vogue in the programming we mistake for entertainment, we are still moving things, even though we have become inanimate. With pointless intensity, we still calculate the profits we may derive from specious promises of new worlds to come, but in doing so we stubbornly remain oblivious to the truth those profits will be achieved at the cast of dissolving the union that fulfills our promise as a people, which is to be the nation, under God, that represents humanity itself.
Dr. Keyes may be right, but I think he misses the bigger point: America was based on an idea of self governance and there is nothing to prevent us from doing exactly that.
Conservatives tend to obsess over whatever edicts and other pearls of wisdom the ruling class tend to utter. That’s a misplaced concern. Do we really care what these scumbags have to say? Does our opposition listen, even when they agree with said pronouncemnts?
Governments derive their power from the OBEDIENCE of the governed. Not their consent. A little more self governance absent the “wise and learned” edicts of our rulers would pay off handsomely.
What happens to a nation that was only held together by a few commonly held ideas, when those ideas are not longer common? It falls apart...
While I agree, I think we are too far gone and definitely done for if another leftist fascist dumblecrat is elected POTUS.
Where is the self governance going to come from? Arizona tried to go their own way on illegal immigration, were smacked down and meekly followed the dictat from DC.
Other states attempt to self govern, get a ruling against them and meekly comply because “its the law”.
Thats bs. We have got to stop rolling over because “its the law”. The fascists do not obey the law, regularly violate the law and won’t enforce the law they don’t like and we hamstring ourselves because some lefts judge says you will do such and so.
That is what has to stop.
WE need to stand firm and tell them to get stuffed [”in anum pushio for you legal buffs].
And we need to mean it.
The danged SCOTUS said laws mean what we WANT them to say....fine...then we should too...
Yeah, I see exactly where that would lead...can’t come soon enough.
You can’t have “self-government” without a “Justice System”.
We have a Vice System which is unconstitutional.
Cicero stated that the Republic of Rome was collapsing because the Laws of Rome were no longer “Just”-—they were promoting favoritism, evil and vice-—and it was just a matter of time when everyone would just do evil, corrupt things to keep from being persecuted or punished for doing good and being productive.
All Just Law has to promote “public virtue”. When it does-—you get virtuous people. When you promote Vice (theft/welfare/vice/sodomy) you get evil people——like Germany did with the Nuremberg laws——people will do evil things and look the other way if they profit and can avoid punishment.
We need to take our Justice System back and SCOTUS 5 need to be in prison for Treason. All “Justices” who remove Christian Virtue from our Just Laws (for Justice is the Queen of Virtue) and use Force of Law to promote favoritism, theft or satanic behaviors which defy purpose and dignity in humans —like prostitution, abortion, sodomy, mutilation—need to be removed from office immediately.
When I’m talking self governance, I mean at the individual and family and small group level. State control versus Federal is just picking one set of stooges over another.
There was a bumpersticker some years back that contained an important nugget of truth: Lobotomies for republicans, IT’S THE LAW!
There is an undercurrent of mindless obedience out there that is used to our detriment.
Why is a justice system run by the state necessary for me to govern myself? Moreover, there have been times in history where other organizations such as the church have run the courts. And then there are private courts.
Not seeing that these political hacks in black muumuus are all that necessary.
First they create artificial groups. Then they classify people by groups. Then they set the groups to fighting with each other by inflating claims of inequality. They give some groups special privileges.
Then they use their media to inflame resentment.
Using the words “unity” or “united” to describe this country is no longer accurate.
Sorry, doc. Slavery was not the real issue, it was the pretext.
It was all about the Benjamins. Who paid the taxes, who got to spend the taxes (on themselves and their business friends), and who got screwed.
The pursuit of the slavery issue was just the North's moral exercise in screwing up the courage to do a huge injustice to their admitted equals.
The slave owner did not admit the slave as a peer -- and in 1858, neither did Abraham Lincoln, when he debated Stephen A. Douglas on the Popular Sovereignty issue.
But the People of the North admitted that the People of the Southern States were their equals in every respect -- and they attacked them anyway, and took everything they had, right down to their citizenship. They made the men of the South their slaves.
You just don’t understand, what we need is DIVERSITY! We need to have every kind of religion, language and culture known on the Earth, all mixed up together and equally valued. I hope this helps you to understand.
Uh, who attacked whom?
Key word, "was". Hasn't been operative for some time now, since time clocks were introduced, since the heyday of the Four Hundred.
Conservatives tend to obsess over whatever edicts and other pearls of wisdom the ruling class tend to utter.
Yes, precisely, because those words have ordinative power -- as opposed to the feeble black-letter law of the Constitution, which the PTB now happily ignore as they make their dispositions of our lives and fortunes -- and our honor.
Way to go, Abe.
Only by virtue of responding to the insurrection initiated by the slavers.
I think we might be talking about different things. When I talk about self governance, I mean it in the sense of governing yourself. I.e. your own choices, those of your family or the small groups you associate with. It has little to do with the realm of caesar: politics and government.
An example. I think most of us can agree that the government schools suck. We can bitch and moan about them, work to elect school boards, agitate for charter schools, etc. Or we can approach the problem more directly by simply pulling our kids out and putting them in schools that caesar doesn’t control. Or home educate. A few million parents doing that will have far better results than anything we could hope to achieve through politics.
That’s the sort of self governance I’m interested in. To me its a simple choice between what clearly doesn’t work and what probably will. I’ll take a good chance of success over certain failure anytime.
I came up mostly through Catholic schools until high school but saw both systems -- three systems, actually, having been in DoD schools in Canada for grades 1-3.
The high school I attended was still lily-white in the year I graduated; Lyndon Johnson never got around to putting his evil hand on us, and the NEA's CPUSA drones were far away and stoutly forefended by the Louisiana school system of that time.
Lyndon Johnson later corrupted those schools with administrative interference (Leon Panetta was his heyboy for that job, threatening school board members left and right) and big gobs of money thrown around (that was his tool for getting around the Constitution and "cracker" state governments: Bribe everybody in sight) to accept the federal haustoria and invasive NEA pathogens.
The schools went to hell in about 12 years.
Yup. Pretty much anything caesar touches turns to s***. Scratch the surface of any evil, and more often than not you’ll see the grinning face of caesar looking back at you.
The obvious strategy then is to do what we can to minimize the role of caesar in our lives.
And even today, the A-holes in the north think we in the south are nothing but stupid country hicks, all living with a cousin as our wives, shacked up with three of our aunts, working on a farm, drinking moon shine, all 3d grade drop outs, etc., etc. I actually had a guy from the north, ask me in basic training back in 1970 IF the south still had slaves!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you believe that???? And this fool was SERIOUS. He asked me that one night while we were sitting around the barracks. There was a black guy from Mississippi sitting hear by and I looked over at the black guy and asked him if Mississippi still had slaves!! He lost his mind. I told him the Yankee over here wanted to know, not me. I told him we did not have slaves in Alabama anymore. But this fool from I think Jersey, wanted to know. And they call us uneducated idiots!
**the A-holes in the north ...**
Dude, really? The war is over.
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