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Lancastria: The forgotten tragedy of World War Two
BBC Scotland ^ | 13th June 2015 | Graham Fraser

Posted on 06/13/2015 7:34:16 AM PDT by the scotsman

'Seventy five years after the sinking of the Lancastria - Britain's worst maritime disaster in history - why is the tragedy largely forgotten? And what do those touched by the catastrophe want now?

"The trouble with the story of the Lancastria is it doesn't fit with the grand narrative of that period - the miraculous evacuation of Dunkirk, and the Battle of Britain," reflects Mark Hirst.

"No amount of spin can turn the story of the Lancastria into something triumphant."

Mark - a former broadcast journalist and co-founder of the Lancastria Association of Scotland - has studied the life of his grandfather Walter Hirst, who survived the sinking.

About 4,000 men, women and children lost their lives when the Lancastria sank 20 minutes after it was bombed by the Germans near the French port of Saint-Nazaire on 17 June 1940. Less than 2,500 people survived.

The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two and is also the largest loss of life in British maritime history - greater than the Titanic and Lusitania combined. But it is a largely forgotten chapter in British history, a fact that leaves survivors and relatives aggrieved.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fewerthannotlessthan; germany; lancastria; lusitania; saintnazaire; scotland; scotlandyet; sovietatrocities; titanic; unitedkingdom; ussr; walterhirst; wilhelmgustloff; worldwareleven; worldwartwo; wwii
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1 posted on 06/13/2015 7:34:16 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Actually the torpedoing of the Wilhelm Gustloff led to the death of over 9000.


2 posted on 06/13/2015 7:37:26 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

But that wasn’t a “British Maritime Loss” was it?


3 posted on 06/13/2015 7:38:40 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two and is also the largest loss of life in British maritime history - greater than the Titanic and Lusitania combined.

The wording can be taken either way, but I get your point.

4 posted on 06/13/2015 7:41:30 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The horrors of that war are hard to comprehend.


5 posted on 06/13/2015 7:42:44 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Correct. Soviet sub sank the Wilhelm Gustloff—as many as 9,400 people were killed on 1/30/45:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

Largest loss of life in the sinking of a ship in history.


6 posted on 06/13/2015 7:43:43 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: the scotsman


7 posted on 06/13/2015 7:48:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Chainmail

“The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two”

this is wrong unless author claims he made an error and meant to say something else.


8 posted on 06/13/2015 7:49:19 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (-Connecticut Republicanism is a mental disorder. - Ann C.)
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To: the scotsman

“””When we have tried, they (the government) have said it (documents on the Lancastria) are secret. I can’t think, after all of these years, it can still be a secret.”””

What could they be hiding still?


9 posted on 06/13/2015 7:50:09 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

It would have been more correct to say that the sinking of the Lancastria represents the largest loss of life from a British maritime incident.

Possibly, a British military engagement might fit as a descriptor, but I would think there were British battles where more than 4,000 men were killed, maybe even on British soil, with all their civil wars, but I really don’t know.


10 posted on 06/13/2015 7:54:43 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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And over half of those were children


11 posted on 06/13/2015 7:56:23 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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And over half of those were children

Good point, and many war wounded as well.

The year 1945 saw the largest number of military and civilian people killed worldwide than any other year in history is my guess.

And many, many children are in that number.

12 posted on 06/13/2015 8:00:23 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
“The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two”

this is wrong unless author claims he made an error and meant to say something else.

He probably meant to say that it was the largest loss of life by the British.

13 posted on 06/13/2015 8:07:54 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I was just about to bring that up. I’m thinking too that that was the only Soviet action by one of their subs in the whole of WW2 - I could be mistaken (maybe).


14 posted on 06/13/2015 8:10:51 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: the scotsman

and when did Dunkirk become a positive story?


15 posted on 06/13/2015 8:16:44 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

When the Germans failed to capture or destroy the entire British Expeditionary Force?


16 posted on 06/13/2015 8:23:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: GeronL
when did Dunkirk become a positive story?

Certainly the RESCUE was heroic. The predicament that gave rise to its necessity was not.

17 posted on 06/13/2015 8:36:08 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: raybbr
"What could they be hiding still?"

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Right now I'm reading (a condensed version of) "Rules of Encounter", by William P. Kennedy.

Its claim appears to be that Churchill, et al, were involved in a plot to offer up the Lusitania as a sacrifice -- to force the USA to enter the war against Germany.

18 posted on 06/13/2015 8:51:59 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: the scotsman

Courtesy ping to #18, to you, the O. P.


19 posted on 06/13/2015 8:54:02 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Little Ray

Turning a strategic withdraw (retreat) into a victory was impressive


20 posted on 06/13/2015 9:05:42 AM PDT by GeronL
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