Posted on 08/10/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
Former Congressman Ron Paul said the US knows ‘more than it is telling’ about the Malaysian aircraft that crashed in eastern Ukraine last month, killing 298 people on board and seriously damaging US-Russian relations in the process.
In an effort to inject some balance of opinion, not to mention pure sanity, into the ongoing debate over what happened to Malaysian Flight MH17, Ron Paul is convinced the US government is withholding information on the catastrophe.
"The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile," Paul said on his news website on Thursday.
Ron Paul to Obama: Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!
Paul’s comments are in sharp contrast to the echo chamber of one-sided opinion inside Western mainstream media, which has almost unanimously blamed anti-Kiev militia for bringing down the commercial airline. Incredibly, in many cases Washington had nothing to show as evidence to incriminate Russian rebels aside for references to social media.
“We’ve seen that there were heavy weapons moved from Russia to Ukraine, that they have moved into the hands of separatist leaders,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest. “And according to social media reports, those weapons include the SA-11 [Buk missile] system.”
In another instance, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters “the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions.” When veteran AP reporter Matthew Lee asked for proof, he was to be disappointed.
“I can’t get into the sources and methods behind it,” Harf responded. “I can’t tell you what the information is based on.” Lee said the allegations made by the State Department on Ukraine have fallen far short of “definitive proof.”
Just days after US intelligence officials admitted they had no conclusive evidence to prove Russia was behind the downing of the airliner, Kiev published satellite images as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site. However, these images have altered time-stamps and are from the days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed, fully discrediting the Ukrainian claims.
In yet another yet-to-be explained event, Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet approaching the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. No acceptable explanation has ever been given by Kiev as to why this fighter aircraft was so close to the doomed passenger jet moments before it was brought down.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” Russian Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov demanded days after the crash.
Paul has slammed the United States, despite its arsenal of surveillance technologies at its disposal, for its failure to provide a single grain of evidence to solve the mystery of the Malaysian airliner.
"It’s hard to believe that the US, with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available," the two-time presidential candidate said.
"Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence," Paul added. "I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us."
Questions remain regarding the downed Malaysia Airlines plane. Too bad our gov't won't paint the full picture: http://t.co/oxM2eeCjRA
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) August 8, 2014
Although no sufficient evidence has been presented to prove that the anti-Kiev militia was responsible for the downing of the international flight, such an inconvenient oversight has not stopped the United States and Europe from slapping economic sanctions and travel bans against Russia.
Moscow hit back, saying it would place a ban on agricultural imports from the United States and the European Union. Russia’s tit-for-tat ban will certainly be felt, as food and agricultural imports from the US amounted to $1.3 billion last year, according to the US Department of Agriculture. In 2013, meanwhile, the EU’s agricultural exports to Russia totaled 11.8 billion euros ($15.8 billion).
After the crash, Ron Paul was one of a few voices calling for calm as US officials were pointing fingers without a shred of evidence to support their claims. Paul has not been afraid to say the painfully obvious things the US media, for any number of reasons, cannot find the courage to articulate.
“They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych,” Paul said. “Without US-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”
Paul also found it outrageous that Western media, parroting the government line, has reported that the Malaysian flight must have been downed by “Russian-backed separatists,” because the BUK missile that reportedly brought down the aircraft was Russian made.
“They will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons,” he emphasized.
Satellite data released.
Alex Jones claims the data is "doctored."
Russia Today reports that "news sources claim the data is 'doctored.'"
Mission accomplished.
May be. But he’s right about the government not telling us everything.
That has already been done. It was done within a few days of the incident.
A military spokesman from the Pentagon came out with a statement.
Where have you been -- in a cave somewhere???
But you just know that a Russian BUK missile launcher in eastern Ukraine didn't do it, right???
I just know that putting out propaganda instead of evidence is wrong.
And yet you admit that you haven't looked at any of the evidence -- so how would you know whether it's one or the other???
So, NATO came out with a statement saying there was irrefutable evidence that a missile track originated from a distinct rebel controlled launcher and hit the airliner? Please provide that link. Pretty please!
I said I hadn’t seen the things you stated. Not that I hadn’t followed it. And I asked for you to show me.
Furthermore, take a moment to think about the hypothesis that a Ukrainian jet would fire upon a civilian airliner.
WHY? To sway public opinion against Russia? Public opinion was already against Russia. The Ukrainians know that the airspace is being monitored by US and NATO assets. They know that the radar intercept and tracking signals from a fighter jet are clearly different than from a BUK. They KNOW there is no way they would get away with a shoot-down.
So now you are left with the possibility of human-error/accident on the part of the (mythical) Ukrainian pilot. A highly trained pilot flying ground support/interdiction mission would not have any reason to approach, much less engage, an airliner. He's trained enough to differentiate between a great big fat-body passenger plane and a Russian jet. Furthermore, the airliner is squawking its status for all to hear and see and in no way resembles, visually or otherwise, any Russian spy birds. He, the (mythical) Ukrainian pilot, will have no reason to even “accidentally” paint the airliner.
Finally, if there had really been a Ukrainian jet in the area, the dumb-ass militia/separatists/terrorists/Russian pawns would have been arguing that they were aiming at IT and the airliner just got in the way. Instead we have intercepts of those same dumb-asses bragging about bringing down a Ukrainian spy bird.
They are dumb-asses. Barely trained conscripts misusing 1980’s technology = lots of dead people. Putin didn't order the shooting, but he put the gun in the hand of the perp and set him out to rob the liquor store.
If Rand Paul runs for the Republican nomination his father is going to be his worst nightmare.
The Ukrainians have plenty of them. The Russians have photos of Ukrainian ones in the area of the shootdown.
Do the Russians have a photo of the BUK that they gave to the separatists? Wait, never mind.
I think the rebels captured their BUK from the Ukrainians. That’s where they get alot of their weapons.
I bet Rand wishes he could put a muzzle on his old man.
Sooner or later Obama and his Democrats plus the American Democrat Party "news" media will get around to claiming Bush had something to do with the missing airliner and the plane that was shot down. They probably have the stories already written.
Your reading skills leave a lot to be desired.
Try again
I said I hadn’t seen the things you stated. Not that I hadn’t followed it.
Those are one and the same thing -- if you saw it then you followed it.
And I asked for you to show me.
Find it yourself --
Maybe so but why would you even bother to take one out of storage when your enemy has no air force to use it against.
Check the domain.
Of course the United States has accurate satellite coverage and one reason they aren't releasing any official satellite or radar images is because they don't want to get caught lying about the incident.
Why would a rebel commander want to bite the hand that feeds him?
I read it, but its not a statement from NATO. It is a statement from an anonymous source to CNN. It also says that they do not know who shot it down. Only that it was a BUK and that it most likely came from Eastern Ukraine, not Russia. That they are still analyzing.
The article did say that Ukraine doesn’t possess any such launchers even though they are a former soviet republic and that one might have been captured from them by the rebels in Eastern Ukraine. That appears to be a lie. If Ukraine don’t have any, how did the rebels capture one from them? If that contradiction isn’t sketchy enough to raise a few eyebrows, I don’t know what is.
Here are articles showing who possesses them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/tehnika-pvo/75-zenitniy-raketniy-kompleks-buk
All sides have BUKs. A BUK took down the plane. None of that is in question. Only who shot it.
Dunno - go to the DM and read article ...
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