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Ron Paul: US 'likely hiding truth' on downed Malaysian Flight MH17
Russia Propaganda Today ^ | August 10, 2014 | unattributed, naturally

Posted on 08/10/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

Former Congressman Ron Paul said the US knows ‘more than it is telling’ about the Malaysian aircraft that crashed in eastern Ukraine last month, killing 298 people on board and seriously damaging US-Russian relations in the process.

In an effort to inject some balance of opinion, not to mention pure sanity, into the ongoing debate over what happened to Malaysian Flight MH17, Ron Paul is convinced the US government is withholding information on the catastrophe.

"The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile," Paul said on his news website on Thursday.

Ron Paul to Obama: Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!

Paul’s comments are in sharp contrast to the echo chamber of one-sided opinion inside Western mainstream media, which has almost unanimously blamed anti-Kiev militia for bringing down the commercial airline. Incredibly, in many cases Washington had nothing to show as evidence to incriminate Russian rebels aside for references to social media.

“We’ve seen that there were heavy weapons moved from Russia to Ukraine, that they have moved into the hands of separatist leaders,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest. “And according to social media reports, those weapons include the SA-11 [Buk missile] system.”

In another instance, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters “the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions.” When veteran AP reporter Matthew Lee asked for proof, he was to be disappointed.

“I can’t get into the sources and methods behind it,” Harf responded. “I can’t tell you what the information is based on.” Lee said the allegations made by the State Department on Ukraine have fallen far short of “definitive proof.”

Just days after US intelligence officials admitted they had no conclusive evidence to prove Russia was behind the downing of the airliner, Kiev published satellite images as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site. However, these images have altered time-stamps and are from the days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed, fully discrediting the Ukrainian claims.

In yet another yet-to-be explained event, Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet approaching the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. No acceptable explanation has ever been given by Kiev as to why this fighter aircraft was so close to the doomed passenger jet moments before it was brought down.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” Russian Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov demanded days after the crash.

Paul has slammed the United States, despite its arsenal of surveillance technologies at its disposal, for its failure to provide a single grain of evidence to solve the mystery of the Malaysian airliner.

"It’s hard to believe that the US, with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available," the two-time presidential candidate said.

"Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence," Paul added. "I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us."

Questions remain regarding the downed Malaysia Airlines plane. Too bad our gov't won't paint the full picture: http://t.co/oxM2eeCjRA

— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) August 8, 2014

Although no sufficient evidence has been presented to prove that the anti-Kiev militia was responsible for the downing of the international flight, such an inconvenient oversight has not stopped the United States and Europe from slapping economic sanctions and travel bans against Russia.


Moscow hit back, saying it would place a ban on agricultural imports from the United States and the European Union. Russia’s tit-for-tat ban will certainly be felt, as food and agricultural imports from the US amounted to $1.3 billion last year, according to the US Department of Agriculture. In 2013, meanwhile, the EU’s agricultural exports to Russia totaled 11.8 billion euros ($15.8 billion).

After the crash, Ron Paul was one of a few voices calling for calm as US officials were pointing fingers without a shred of evidence to support their claims. Paul has not been afraid to say the painfully obvious things the US media, for any number of reasons, cannot find the courage to articulate.

“They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych,” Paul said. “Without US-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”

Paul also found it outrageous that Western media, parroting the government line, has reported that the Malaysian flight must have been downed by “Russian-backed separatists,” because the BUK missile that reportedly brought down the aircraft was Russian made.

“They will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons,” he emphasized.


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1 posted on 08/10/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Ron Paul’s a few trinkets short of a Happy Meal.


2 posted on 08/10/2014 11:01:19 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (We're The First Generation Not Forced To Fight To Defend Our Freedom.And It Shows!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Ron Paul: US 'likely hiding truth' on downed Malaysian Flight MH17 my flight from reality

There fixed it

3 posted on 08/10/2014 11:04:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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>> has grown strangely quiet

Strangely... reminds me of ManBearPig.


4 posted on 08/10/2014 11:06:36 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 1rudeboy

The Daily Mail has a report about a rebel commander thinking it was a Russian Aeroflot plane - still a criminal act.


5 posted on 08/10/2014 11:08:00 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: 1rudeboy

Perhaps Ron could name for us the 12 air traffic corridors that Russia shut down to protect its planes the week before the shootdown of MH17 —


6 posted on 08/10/2014 11:13:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 1rudeboy

As time goes on “shoot from the hip at shadows” Ron Paul proves more and more why his lack of logical thinking and judgement makes him ill-suited for the office of the Presidency.

What an idiot.


7 posted on 08/10/2014 11:16:10 AM PDT by House Atreides (ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FOR CHILDERS 2014 .... Don't reward bad GOPe behavior.)
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8 posted on 08/10/2014 11:17:11 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: House Atreides

When one of the only places that publishes your material is Russian state-owned, it should be an indication . . . .


9 posted on 08/10/2014 11:20:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The dude has never been normal since at the age of 11 they forgot the fries in his Happy Meal, he has been bent ever since.


10 posted on 08/10/2014 11:22:44 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy
Just days after US intelligence officials admitted they had no conclusive evidence to prove Russia was behind the downing of the airliner, Kiev published satellite images as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site. However, these images have altered time-stamps and are from the days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed, fully discrediting the Ukrainian claims.

In yet another yet-to-be explained event, Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet approaching the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. No acceptable explanation has ever been given by Kiev as to why this fighter aircraft was so close to the doomed passenger jet moments before it was brought down.

Net they'll be saying TWA Flight 800 wasn't a center fuel tank explosion.

11 posted on 08/10/2014 11:38:58 AM PDT by McGruff ("We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable, and Self-Reliant Iraq" - Obama in 2011)
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To: McGruff

Do you have the link to the Alex Jones article?


12 posted on 08/10/2014 11:49:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Gene Eric

If you are saying that Ron Paul has grown strangely quiet, I think the reason for that is simple enough, his son’s political handlers probably told Old Pops to dial it all way back until after the Presidential Nominations have been decided. If his boy Rand is not the man finally nominated by the republicans, then, at that point, go ahead Ron, and give interviews about every Wacko-Bird theory you can piece together. He could even go on that nation wide lecture tour with Jesse Ventura, and at that point, nobody will give a hoot.


13 posted on 08/10/2014 12:06:26 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: 1rudeboy

He does make the point that western media makes the case that it must be a Russian plot based merely on the weapons.

The truth is, everyone has BUK rocket launchers. That weapon system is possessed by the rebels, the Kiev govt and Russia. Being a former soviet republic, all personnel (including Ukrainian soldiers) were well trained by Russia in its use. Country of origin or training means exactly nothing. Its like saying Putin ordered a hit on some guy because the guy was shot with an AK-47. Anyone could have shot it.

If there is real evidence (and with our satellite coverage there certainly should be!), we should provide it.


14 posted on 08/10/2014 12:19:15 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: FreeInWV
Its like saying Putin ordered a hit on some guy because the guy was shot with an AK-47.

Did the guy who made the hit brag about it, and brag that he got the AK from Putin?

15 posted on 08/10/2014 12:21:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You deny that we would have active satellite satellite coverage in an area that interests us so much?


16 posted on 08/10/2014 12:23:21 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: FreeInWV
Why would you feel that I would have to deny that, and what relevance does it have?
17 posted on 08/10/2014 12:25:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Our satellite coverage is very good. It certainly would be irrefutable and desirable in this situation. There is no reason not to provide it.

As for your other “evidence”, it sux too. I could just as easily say that some unnamed person I know and trust heard on their radio that the guy who made the hit bragged about it, and bragged that he got the AK from Vladimir Lenin. It doesn’t make good evidence. Just good propaganda.


18 posted on 08/10/2014 12:35:58 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: FreeInWV
If there is real evidence (and with our satellite coverage there certainly should be!), we should provide it.

Why should we???

Why should we demonstrate to our enemies our satellite capabilities???

Furthermore neither you nor anyone else would be able to interpret it.

So someone else would have to interpret it for them.

And that has already been done by military experts whose information has been corroborated by multiple different witnesses on the ground as reported from multiple independent sources.

19 posted on 08/10/2014 12:46:58 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Then we should provide it to our trusted NATO partners and let them validate the evidence and provide a statement.

And I have not seen or heard about “the multiple different witnesses on the ground as reported from multiple independent sources”. I have only seen biased speculation and conjecture. Can you please provide the source to these?

BTW - I don’t know who did it. I just know that putting out propaganda instead of evidence is wrong.


20 posted on 08/10/2014 12:58:02 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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