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Ukraine Puts Mothballed Mig-29 Fighter Jets Back in Service
Ria Novosti, Russia ^
| 04/04/2014
Posted on 04/04/2014 8:06:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Because nothing says 'power projection' like a hangar queen.
/johnny
To: sukhoi-30mki
Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia. Two decades of neglect of its armed forces have taken their toll.
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:13:56 PM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: JRandomFreeper
Ukraine’s reservists supposedly only have two weeks training. I’m sure that gives the citizens a lot of confidence. Unfortunately, Zero wants to rake our military down to the same level.
To: goldstategop
"You not say Ukraine weak."
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:22:26 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: JRandomFreeper
LOL... glad my mouth was empty, damn
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:23:34 PM PDT
by
Chode
(Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
To: sukhoi-30mki
How many older mothballed fighters could the US return to service?
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:27:26 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
To: GeronL
I bet we have a lot mothballed. I remember a year or two back, Eglin’s 33rd TFW flew their F-15s to the boneyard.
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:36:36 PM PDT
by
yarddog
(Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
To: yarddog
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:38:44 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Where did they get the spare parts?
Hmmmm.
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:46:21 PM PDT
by
WildHighlander57
((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
To: goldstategop
Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia.
What was it Rumsfield said? "You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
They're improving their "condition".
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:48:26 PM PDT
by
Girlene
(Hey, NSA!)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Well the aircraft are certainly satisfactory, and Ukrainian pilots can fly them well enough, but can they do it right now.
They are gonna need considerable practice and training exercises to get up to the game the Russians can mount tomorrow.
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:52:50 PM PDT
by
Navy Patriot
(Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
To: Navy Patriot
Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. It’s the pilot, not the plane.
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posted on
04/04/2014 8:58:10 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
Its the pilot, not the plane. Its the pilot, the training and the experience, not the plane.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:06:13 PM PDT
by
Navy Patriot
(Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
To: dfwgator
Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. Its the pilot, not the plane.
True. I often said that if I could magically beam over 1 million M1 Garands and Carbines, 50,000 bazookas and 5000 M48/M60/Centurion tanks to the Ukraine to fight the Russian, I'd do it. I subscribe to the rule of "there is no such thing as an obsolete weapon, only obsolete thinking," it takes the people behind them to use them and find ways to turn things to their advantage plus it takes the desire and rage as well.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:09:15 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Do your best Ukraine!
/we should be supporting these brave souls. They are fighting for their country and many here are making fun of them? For shame FR..for shame.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:13:20 PM PDT
by
Ghost of SVR4
(So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
To: goldstategop
It isn’t just that. The design philosophy of the Russian equipment is very different than ours. We design ours to be serviceable, maintainable, and repairable for rather long lifetime in times of war AND peace,often at the cost of initial cost and performance. Russian equipment is designed to be running much closer to the edge, and generally needs more upkeep and parts. Running lightly-built, highly stressed planes and engines near the edge was one of the reasons that the Russian planes looked pretty darned good on paper vs ours for years (and still do).
Oddly enough, there is a perverse unintended consequence of this. If you buy aircraft from the Russians, you had better have a price-controlled contract and be on good political terms with them as long as you plan on using then, because otherwise your fancy plane will be doing gate duty at the local public park in no time. On the other hand, US equipment is much easier to get (or even make)parts for, and has great training and documentation. Ask the Iraqi’s about their MIG’s at the dawn of the gulf wars. Then, ask the Iranians how their Shah-era planes are holding up these days. Amazingly well, I have read.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:19:12 PM PDT
by
The Antiyuppie
("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
To: dfwgator
Yes, I remember an account from “Thunderbolt” by US ace Robert S. Johnson: The Polish pilots were considered slightly crazy, but could make those P-47’s do things the designers said they could not do.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:25:23 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: WildHighlander57
Ukraine has a pretty high tech arms and space industry. They ought to be able to make ‘em themselves.
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:26:46 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: sukhoi-30mki
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posted on
04/04/2014 9:27:19 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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