Skip to comments.Ukraine Puts Mothballed Mig-29 Fighter Jets Back in Service
Posted on 04/04/2014 8:06:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
KIEV, April 4 (RIA Novosti) Several mothballed Mikoyan Mig-29 Fulcrum fourth-generation fighter jets were returned to combat service in western Ukraine, the countrys Defense Ministry said on Friday.
Specialists of our team have already returned several planes to service, the ministry quoted an unnamed commander of an Air Force unit near Ivano-Frankivsk as saying. We are now conducting test flights. Soon, more mothballed fighter jets will take off again.
The state of Ukraines armed forces came under close scrutiny when the new government took office in late February, after months of violent uprising.
Kiev launched extensive combat readiness checks of its armed forces in early March, following Crimeas announcement that it was ready to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.
Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh said in his report to the president that the checks revealed unsatisfactory condition of the armed forces.
He said that out of 507 combat planes and 121 attack helicopters, only 15 percent are serviceable. Air Force crews lack proper training and only 10 percent of them are capable of performing combat tasks.
Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia. Two decades of neglect of its armed forces have taken their toll.
Ukraine’s reservists supposedly only have two weeks training. I’m sure that gives the citizens a lot of confidence. Unfortunately, Zero wants to rake our military down to the same level.
"You not say Ukraine weak."
How many older mothballed fighters could the US return to service?
I bet we have a lot mothballed. I remember a year or two back, Eglin’s 33rd TFW flew their F-15s to the boneyard.
Where did they get the spare parts?
They are gonna need considerable practice and training exercises to get up to the game the Russians can mount tomorrow.
Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. It’s the pilot, not the plane.
Its the pilot, the training and the experience, not the plane.
Do your best Ukraine!
/we should be supporting these brave souls. They are fighting for their country and many here are making fun of them? For shame FR..for shame.
It isn’t just that. The design philosophy of the Russian equipment is very different than ours. We design ours to be serviceable, maintainable, and repairable for rather long lifetime in times of war AND peace,often at the cost of initial cost and performance. Russian equipment is designed to be running much closer to the edge, and generally needs more upkeep and parts. Running lightly-built, highly stressed planes and engines near the edge was one of the reasons that the Russian planes looked pretty darned good on paper vs ours for years (and still do).
Oddly enough, there is a perverse unintended consequence of this. If you buy aircraft from the Russians, you had better have a price-controlled contract and be on good political terms with them as long as you plan on using then, because otherwise your fancy plane will be doing gate duty at the local public park in no time. On the other hand, US equipment is much easier to get (or even make)parts for, and has great training and documentation. Ask the Iraqi’s about their MIG’s at the dawn of the gulf wars. Then, ask the Iranians how their Shah-era planes are holding up these days. Amazingly well, I have read.
Yes, I remember an account from “Thunderbolt” by US ace Robert S. Johnson: The Polish pilots were considered slightly crazy, but could make those P-47’s do things the designers said they could not do.
Ukraine has a pretty high tech arms and space industry. They ought to be able to make ‘em themselves.
Now, this is an instance where US / NATO / Ukrainian cooperation could be very useful. We train Ukrainian pilots and in the process have more pilots of our own with hands on experience of what the Russki Mig-29’s can do.
Weren’t the German Panzers and Tigers superior to American Shermans?
This is true, but the planes have to actually take off and land without crashing, blowing up in midair, or having parts fall off after a few missions. The pilot can only do so much.
“Werent the German Panzers and Tigers superior to American Shermans?”
Our strategies adjusted to their superiority and identified the weaknesses of the Panzers and German strategies, but to a great degree we won with our quantity over their quality. The Russians did this to a great degree also. Their guns didn’t shoot straight but they did shoot under almost any conditions and they made lots; I’ve read that the T-34’s castings and forgings weren’t even cleaned up after manufacture (obviously, they were made in a bit of a hurry and under very tough conditions) and the crews inside kept getting injuries just by driving around! But, who won?
probably zero, all the engines and guts are taken out. anything flying now probably have upgrades the old ones wouldn’t.
UKRAINE needs to be infiltrating Russia and establishing sabotage cells in every major Russian City. In fact they should be making thing go pop NOW.
They won’t match the Russians with Aircraft and Tanks but will with mines, mortars, and many easy to accomplish soft target sabotage.
Heh - Great stuff!
Good article on the MiG-29:
I often said that if I was Ukrainian and wanted to be a true jagoff to the Russians, I’d load up dynamite on the dome at Chernobyl or if not, find a way to blow the dome using a Mi-24 or MiG from a distance when the winds are right. The radioactive fallout will go over Russia and let the mayhem ensue.
and then wafts over western europe. bonehead scheme.
What? Do you moonlight as a retarded comic book villain or something?
My R/C Fulcrum is modelled after that plane’s colors. Woot!
You are right. Visiting the Ukrainian war museum in Kiev they have several war era T-34s there. Talk about rough. Look like they were made by a high school shop class. Worked though
Wasn't a big problem with using poison gas in World War I that wind tends to change direction?
Wouldn’t take a whole lot to beat the Russian military. Just leave a BUNCH of vodka behind as you retreated and then come back after they’ve passed out.
The problem exists in both directions.
Yes, primarily because America had not been preparing for war, the only proven way to avoid it.
That is actually a good idea, as far as training and experience go, but we must not get sucked in to flying combat in a dispute between foreign nations.
“Its the pilot, the training and the experience, not the plane.”
Like being a professional bowler and using a house ball.
Hundreds, but that doesn’t we have the manpower to maintain and fly them.
Perhaps I was wrong about using Chernobyl but it would make a good Wonder Woman episode. B-)
“Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. Its the pilot, not the plane.”
That was 73 years ago. This is now. Ever seen an F-22?
Check Google or elsewhere before I do. The Poles flew either Hurricanes or Spitfires, as well as what they had from their original Polish Air Force (perhaps P 39 Aercobras).
I’ll get back here with some infor on this issue.
Poles flew their own PZL P.11 and P.7 in Poland at the beginning of the war. Took some to other countries with the fall of their country.
Flew French Caudron C 714 and MS 406 fighters.
Flew British Hawker Hurricanes (300 - 303 Squadrons). Then Got Spitfires and P 51 Mustangs.
British nightfighters: Defiants, Beaufighters and Mosquitoes.
In Russia they flew Yak 1 and Yak 9’s.
Best records were obtained in the Hurricanes and Spitfires during the Battle of Britain and over France.
Google “Polish Air Force in WW2” and you’ll get a lot of information on what they flew and how well they performed.
Extremely brave men.
Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia.
They aren’t in any condition to fight a war with Monaco.
“Its the pilot, not the plane.”
Yes and no. There is still only so much a pilot can do to overcome the tech disadvantage. Otherwise one could claim a WWI biplane is the equal of an F-22.
The technology is useless without the pilot, but that doesn’t make the pilot the only consideration.
The expression “Its the pilot, not the plane.” makes a great movie line. But movie war tactics are a poor way to go to real war.
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