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Ukraine Puts Mothballed Mig-29 Fighter Jets Back in Service
Ria Novosti, Russia ^ | 04/04/2014

Posted on 04/04/2014 8:06:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

KIEV, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – Several mothballed Mikoyan Mig-29 Fulcrum fourth-generation fighter jets were returned to combat service in western Ukraine, the country’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

“Specialists of our team have already returned several planes to service,” the ministry quoted an unnamed commander of an Air Force unit near Ivano-Frankivsk as saying. “We are now conducting test flights. Soon, more mothballed fighter jets will take off again.”

The state of Ukraine’s armed forces came under close scrutiny when the new government took office in late February, after months of violent uprising.

Kiev launched extensive combat readiness checks of its armed forces in early March, following Crimea’s announcement that it was ready to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.

Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh said in his report to the president that the checks revealed “unsatisfactory” condition of the armed forces.

He said that out of 507 combat planes and 121 attack helicopters, only 15 percent are serviceable. Air Force crews lack proper training and only 10 percent of them are capable of performing combat tasks.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mig; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 04/04/2014 8:06:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Because nothing says 'power projection' like a hangar queen.

/johnny

2 posted on 04/04/2014 8:11:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia. Two decades of neglect of its armed forces have taken their toll.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 8:13:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ukraine’s reservists supposedly only have two weeks training. I’m sure that gives the citizens a lot of confidence. Unfortunately, Zero wants to rake our military down to the same level.


4 posted on 04/04/2014 8:14:43 PM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: goldstategop

"You not say Ukraine weak."

5 posted on 04/04/2014 8:22:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JRandomFreeper
LOL... glad my mouth was empty, damn
6 posted on 04/04/2014 8:23:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How many older mothballed fighters could the US return to service?


7 posted on 04/04/2014 8:27:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

I bet we have a lot mothballed. I remember a year or two back, Eglin’s 33rd TFW flew their F-15s to the boneyard.


8 posted on 04/04/2014 8:36:36 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Bump


9 posted on 04/04/2014 8:38:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Where did they get the spare parts?

Hmmmm.


10 posted on 04/04/2014 8:46:21 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: goldstategop
Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia.

What was it Rumsfield said? "You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

They're improving their "condition".
11 posted on 04/04/2014 8:48:26 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Well the aircraft are certainly satisfactory, and Ukrainian pilots can fly them well enough, but can they do it right now.

They are gonna need considerable practice and training exercises to get up to the game the Russians can mount tomorrow.

12 posted on 04/04/2014 8:52:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. It’s the pilot, not the plane.


13 posted on 04/04/2014 8:58:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
It’s the pilot, not the plane.

It’s the pilot, the training and the experience, not the plane.

14 posted on 04/04/2014 9:06:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: dfwgator
Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. It’s the pilot, not the plane.

True. I often said that if I could magically beam over 1 million M1 Garands and Carbines, 50,000 bazookas and 5000 M48/M60/Centurion tanks to the Ukraine to fight the Russian, I'd do it. I subscribe to the rule of "there is no such thing as an obsolete weapon, only obsolete thinking," it takes the people behind them to use them and find ways to turn things to their advantage plus it takes the desire and rage as well.
15 posted on 04/04/2014 9:09:15 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Do your best Ukraine!

/we should be supporting these brave souls. They are fighting for their country and many here are making fun of them? For shame FR..for shame.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 9:13:20 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: goldstategop

It isn’t just that. The design philosophy of the Russian equipment is very different than ours. We design ours to be serviceable, maintainable, and repairable for rather long lifetime in times of war AND peace,often at the cost of initial cost and performance. Russian equipment is designed to be running much closer to the edge, and generally needs more upkeep and parts. Running lightly-built, highly stressed planes and engines near the edge was one of the reasons that the Russian planes looked pretty darned good on paper vs ours for years (and still do).

Oddly enough, there is a perverse unintended consequence of this. If you buy aircraft from the Russians, you had better have a price-controlled contract and be on good political terms with them as long as you plan on using then, because otherwise your fancy plane will be doing gate duty at the local public park in no time. On the other hand, US equipment is much easier to get (or even make)parts for, and has great training and documentation. Ask the Iraqi’s about their MIG’s at the dawn of the gulf wars. Then, ask the Iranians how their Shah-era planes are holding up these days. Amazingly well, I have read.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 9:19:12 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dfwgator

Yes, I remember an account from “Thunderbolt” by US ace Robert S. Johnson: The Polish pilots were considered slightly crazy, but could make those P-47’s do things the designers said they could not do.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 9:25:23 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Ukraine has a pretty high tech arms and space industry. They ought to be able to make ‘em themselves.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 9:26:46 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pretty picture!


20 posted on 04/04/2014 9:27:19 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

“Repeat, please.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0


21 posted on 04/04/2014 9:29:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Navy Patriot

Now, this is an instance where US / NATO / Ukrainian cooperation could be very useful. We train Ukrainian pilots and in the process have more pilots of our own with hands on experience of what the Russki Mig-29’s can do.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 9:31:53 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Weren’t the German Panzers and Tigers superior to American Shermans?


23 posted on 04/04/2014 9:34:19 PM PDT by TheArizona
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To: Nowhere Man

This is true, but the planes have to actually take off and land without crashing, blowing up in midair, or having parts fall off after a few missions. The pilot can only do so much.


24 posted on 04/04/2014 9:34:28 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: TheArizona

“Weren’t the German Panzers and Tigers superior to American Shermans?”

Our strategies adjusted to their superiority and identified the weaknesses of the Panzers and German strategies, but to a great degree we won with our quantity over their quality. The Russians did this to a great degree also. Their guns didn’t shoot straight but they did shoot under almost any conditions and they made lots; I’ve read that the T-34’s castings and forgings weren’t even cleaned up after manufacture (obviously, they were made in a bit of a hurry and under very tough conditions) and the crews inside kept getting injuries just by driving around! But, who won?


25 posted on 04/04/2014 9:42:29 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: GeronL

probably zero, all the engines and guts are taken out. anything flying now probably have upgrades the old ones wouldn’t.


26 posted on 04/04/2014 9:44:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

UKRAINE needs to be infiltrating Russia and establishing sabotage cells in every major Russian City. In fact they should be making thing go pop NOW.

They won’t match the Russians with Aircraft and Tanks but will with mines, mortars, and many easy to accomplish soft target sabotage.


27 posted on 04/04/2014 9:47:25 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: dfwgator

Heh - Great stuff!


28 posted on 04/04/2014 9:55:26 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: The Antiyuppie; All

Good article on the MiG-29:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29


29 posted on 04/04/2014 10:11:13 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: TomasUSMC

I often said that if I was Ukrainian and wanted to be a true jagoff to the Russians, I’d load up dynamite on the dome at Chernobyl or if not, find a way to blow the dome using a Mi-24 or MiG from a distance when the winds are right. The radioactive fallout will go over Russia and let the mayhem ensue.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 10:29:46 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Nowhere Man

and then wafts over western europe. bonehead scheme.


31 posted on 04/04/2014 11:29:14 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Nowhere Man

What? Do you moonlight as a retarded comic book villain or something?


32 posted on 04/05/2014 12:07:24 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: sukhoi-30mki

My R/C Fulcrum is modelled after that plane’s colors. Woot!


33 posted on 04/05/2014 2:38:43 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

You are right. Visiting the Ukrainian war museum in Kiev they have several war era T-34s there. Talk about rough. Look like they were made by a high school shop class. Worked though


34 posted on 04/05/2014 3:18:26 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Nowhere Man
I often said that if I was Ukrainian and wanted to be a true jagoff to the Russians, I’d load up dynamite on the dome at Chernobyl or if not, find a way to blow the dome using a Mi-24 or MiG from a distance when the winds are right.

Wasn't a big problem with using poison gas in World War I that wind tends to change direction?


35 posted on 04/05/2014 4:06:24 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: goldstategop

Wouldn’t take a whole lot to beat the Russian military. Just leave a BUNCH of vodka behind as you retreated and then come back after they’ve passed out.


36 posted on 04/05/2014 4:31:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: WildHighlander57
Where did they get the spare parts? Hmmmm.

The problem exists in both directions.

Link

37 posted on 04/05/2014 4:42:48 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TheArizona
Weren’t the German Panzers and Tigers superior to American Shermans?

Yes, primarily because America had not been preparing for war, the only proven way to avoid it.

38 posted on 04/05/2014 7:34:00 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Paul R.

That is actually a good idea, as far as training and experience go, but we must not get sucked in to flying combat in a dispute between foreign nations.


39 posted on 04/05/2014 7:41:28 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Paul R.

http://acesofww2.com/USA/aces/johnson/


40 posted on 04/05/2014 8:39:13 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Navy Patriot

“It’s the pilot, the training and the experience, not the plane.”

Like being a professional bowler and using a house ball.


41 posted on 04/05/2014 8:39:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: GeronL

Hundreds, but that doesn’t we have the manpower to maintain and fly them.


42 posted on 04/05/2014 9:42:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: drunknsage

Oops.


43 posted on 04/05/2014 3:44:52 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Sooth2222

Perhaps I was wrong about using Chernobyl but it would make a good Wonder Woman episode. B-)


44 posted on 04/05/2014 5:24:20 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: drunknsage
What? Do you moonlight as a retarded comic book villain or something?

B-) Reminds me of what something Vector (from "Despicable Me") would do. B-D
45 posted on 04/05/2014 5:26:14 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: dfwgator

“Polish RAF pilots had lower quality planes than their British counterparts during the Battle of Britain, but had a higher kill ratio. It’s the pilot, not the plane.”

That was 73 years ago. This is now. Ever seen an F-22?


46 posted on 04/05/2014 9:30:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dfwgator

Check Google or elsewhere before I do. The Poles flew either Hurricanes or Spitfires, as well as what they had from their original Polish Air Force (perhaps P 39 Aercobras).

I’ll get back here with some infor on this issue.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 10:29:21 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I’m backkkkk!

Poles flew their own PZL P.11 and P.7 in Poland at the beginning of the war. Took some to other countries with the fall of their country.

Flew French Caudron C 714 and MS 406 fighters.

Flew British Hawker Hurricanes (300 - 303 Squadrons). Then Got Spitfires and P 51 Mustangs.

British nightfighters: Defiants, Beaufighters and Mosquitoes.

In Russia they flew Yak 1 and Yak 9’s.

Best records were obtained in the Hurricanes and Spitfires during the Battle of Britain and over France.

Google “Polish Air Force in WW2” and you’ll get a lot of information on what they flew and how well they performed.

Extremely brave men.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 10:46:51 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: goldstategop

Ukraine is in no condition to fight a war with Russia.


They aren’t in any condition to fight a war with Monaco.


49 posted on 04/06/2014 9:53:06 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: dfwgator

“It’s the pilot, not the plane.”

Yes and no. There is still only so much a pilot can do to overcome the tech disadvantage. Otherwise one could claim a WWI biplane is the equal of an F-22.

The technology is useless without the pilot, but that doesn’t make the pilot the only consideration.

The expression “It’s the pilot, not the plane.” makes a great movie line. But movie war tactics are a poor way to go to real war.


50 posted on 04/06/2014 11:09:59 AM PDT by LevinFan
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