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The martyrdom of Mark Steyn
The Spectator ^ | 2/12/14 | James Delingpole

Posted on 02/12/2014 10:15:11 PM PST by Valpal1

So let’s just cut through that crap and remind ourselves briefly what we know about the plaintiff. Michael Mann was an obscure young physicist-turned-climatologist who rose without trace in 1998 with the publication in Nature of his ‘hockey stick’ chart showing dramatic and apparently unprecedented late-20th-century global warming.

There followed almost instant fame, on which Mann has traded ever since — gaining tenure at Penn State University, drawing millions in public funding for research, often called on by the Guardian and the New York Times to sum up the state of climate science. Al Gore used a version of Mann’s hockey stick in his Oscar-winning An Inconvenient Truth. The IPCC used it five times in its Third Assessment Report and promoted Mann to lead author.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; delingpole; globalwarming; hockeystick; jamesdelingpole; mann; marksteyn; marksteyntrial; michealmann; steyn; steyntrial
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1 posted on 02/12/2014 10:15:12 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

Mark is one of the good guys.

Godspeed Mark.


2 posted on 02/12/2014 10:21:18 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Valpal1

Bump, this needs to be seen. It’s the first I’d heard of it. Steyn really gets under the leftist tyrants’ skins, they keep dragging him into court.


3 posted on 02/12/2014 10:21:33 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Valpal1

Mark is on the right (correct) side and he deserves to be supported. Can someone please inform the author that he does not know how to write?


4 posted on 02/12/2014 10:24:14 PM PST by Fungi
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To: JLS

Steyn ping.


5 posted on 02/12/2014 10:32:46 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Valpal1
I suspect that the trial will simply be D.C. political theater directed by the left.
It now looks — go to Steynonline.com for the full story — as if Steyn is going to be up there on his own, fighting and financing his case without the support of his magazine, National Review; that the outcome is not as certain as it seemed at the beginning; and that this hero deserves all the help we can give him.

Absolutely.

6 posted on 02/12/2014 10:34:17 PM PST by TChad
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To: Valpal1
I heard Mann was a Nobel Prize recipient.

* snicker *

7 posted on 02/12/2014 10:35:22 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mrsmel

“...they keep dragging him into court.”

Only by perverting the intent of the legal system can the left undermine Steyn’s unrelenting truth.


8 posted on 02/12/2014 10:36:45 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Valpal1
There are a lot of sharp, successful conservative attorneys. For all he's done, and will continue to do, Mark Steyn's defense against these stupid suits should be pro bono.
9 posted on 02/12/2014 10:38:53 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Valpal1

Here’s a link with info on how to support him, if anyone wants to chip in:

http://www.steynonline.com/6048/give-the-gift-of-steyn


10 posted on 02/12/2014 10:41:08 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Fungi

James Delingpole is also on the right side of this issue. I chose the excerpt to highlight how Mann as enriched himself in money, position, power and status with his bogus science.

If you read the full editorial you would see this.


11 posted on 02/12/2014 10:44:09 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1
I must have missed the details of this. Help me to understand what is going on.

Committing a crime is no longer the crime? Exposing the criminal actions of others is now the crime?

-PJ

12 posted on 02/12/2014 10:44:54 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: JennysCool

Yes, there are a lot of sharp conservative lawyers out there. It would be nice if they would show up on the ramparts for this battle.

It certainly highlights how politically biased and corrupt the American courts are, that they haven’t sent this case to the round file as a SLAPP suit.


13 posted on 02/12/2014 10:47:38 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: martin_fierro

HE double hockey sticks.


14 posted on 02/12/2014 10:55:44 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Boogieman

Thanks.


15 posted on 02/12/2014 11:03:37 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Fungi

I had a similar problem when I was in school. Hell of a time trying to get something started, but when I got a report going, I had to end it abruptly because I had a lot in my head I wanted to write down, but I’d take up far too much paper and time. Maybe the author should sit down with someone more experienced and ask for tips.


16 posted on 02/12/2014 11:07:27 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Fungi

Your post is confusing. He does say to support Mark.


17 posted on 02/12/2014 11:46:09 PM PST by Ecliptic (.)
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To: All
The Great Global Warming Swindle
18 posted on 02/12/2014 11:57:47 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Valpal1

Mann is the incarnation of Rachel Carson.


19 posted on 02/12/2014 11:59:33 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: mrsmel

It’s been going on for quite some time. Mann sued NRO also.


20 posted on 02/13/2014 12:00:37 AM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: martin_fierro
I heard Mann was a Nobel Prize recipient.

Isn't every one on the Left these days?

21 posted on 02/13/2014 12:09:31 AM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: Valpal1

Just sent Mark four of his own $25 gift certificates as gifts...


22 posted on 02/13/2014 2:12:31 AM PST by DB
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To: Political Junkie Too
Committing a crime is no longer the crime? Exposing the criminal actions of others is now the crime?

It's similar to what happens on FR all the time:

Proselyzing a false religion is no longer free speech?
Exposing the false prophets of them are now a crime?

23 posted on 02/13/2014 3:43:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Valpal1

Mann forced “Minnisotans for Global Warning” to remove his image from their hilarious AGW spoof “Hide The Decline”

Search for ‘em on youtube, they are very funny...


24 posted on 02/13/2014 3:48:45 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: TChad

When Steyn’s lawyers ask for all documents and data related to his theory, they will end this.


25 posted on 02/13/2014 4:17:30 AM PST by pas
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To: Valpal1
If it is a sin to doubt, then there is no science.
If it is a crime to dissent, then there is no politics.
--Scaramouche
 
 
 
 
 
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.
Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had...
 
Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2.
Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.
--Michael Crichton

26 posted on 02/13/2014 4:28:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Valpal1
hmm..when MS gets on RUSH's Radio program; he shall
ream this hoaxer, MM another hole in his vacuous head.

27 posted on 02/13/2014 5:16:46 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: skinkinthegrass
hmm..when MS gets on RUSH's Radio program; he shall ream this hoaxer, MM another hole in his vacuous head.

If Mark is indeed standing there alone, someone like Rush who has the ability to assist with dollars should jump in to help.

28 posted on 02/13/2014 7:57:08 AM PST by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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To: CedarDave
"someone like Rush"

What about the coal or O&G industries?

A lot of people don't remember 2012, but Steyn's statements weren't unique. Others were using extreme statements as well.

Heartland Institute made the comparison to the Unabomber, but they didn't make the comparison to any one individual, like steyn did.

As a repercussion, all the insurance companies who had been working with Heartland abandoned Heartland. And many financial supporters also abandoned Heartland, forcing them to turn to the coal industry for money.

So, if coal can bail out the Heartland Institute, they can also bail out Steyn

29 posted on 02/13/2014 10:14:56 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Valpal1

bttt


30 posted on 02/13/2014 2:47:38 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: pas
When Steyn’s lawyers ask for all documents and data related to his theory, they will end this.

When the Mann lawsuit started, there was a lot of conservative bluster about how much fun could be had during discovery. The blusterers seemed to presume that Steyn would receive a fair trial. Ask Scooter Libby about how fair the D.C. courts are to prominent conservatives in political show trials.

31 posted on 02/13/2014 2:51:42 PM PST by TChad
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping. Another article about him, not an article by him.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


32 posted on 02/14/2014 9:56:23 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

Mark is a warrior, and he deserves our support.


33 posted on 02/14/2014 10:14:53 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Fungi

Excuse me, it’s early and I haven’’t had my coffee yet and may well just be thud-headed. But what do you mean by saying that Delingpole does not know how to write?


34 posted on 02/15/2014 4:39:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Boogieman

Thanks —— I just bought 2 certificates, one for me and one for a friend. I am proud to stand with Steyn.


35 posted on 02/15/2014 5:00:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West" - Aragorn)
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To: The Antiyuppie

America is a tyranny of lawyers. The Stynn case is typical of the law being used as a cudgel to beat the opposition into submission.


36 posted on 02/15/2014 5:04:22 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Valpal1

Outrage Bump!


37 posted on 02/15/2014 7:32:13 AM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Valpal1
...the hockey stick, on which Mann’s reputation largely rests, was and is a nonsense. It obliterates the medieval warm period; it is unduly reliant on proxy data — bristlecone pine samples — which are known to be unreliable; it is dependent on a flawed algorithm which, according to every statistical authority who has ever looked at the subject, creates the same hockey-stick data almost regardless of the information you feed into it.

Elite liberals don't care about truth, research methods or statistics - they care about winning.

38 posted on 02/15/2014 7:39:33 AM PST by GOPJ ( America's drifting into totalitarianism because of left's exploitation of social failures.Greenfie)
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To: Fungi

Can someone please inform the author that he does not know how to write?
%%%%%

On what grounds? The writer is informing a conservative UK readership about Mark Steyn’s situation v. Michael Mann. I found the explanation very clear.


39 posted on 02/15/2014 11:27:41 AM PST by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: JennysCool

Are you a lawyer? Can you get involved, or persuade a colleague to work without pay for up to two years? Maybe more?


40 posted on 02/15/2014 2:00:20 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Fungi
. Can someone please inform the author that he does not know how to write?

I believe the problem is that you don't know how to read.

41 posted on 02/17/2014 8:41:42 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: martin_fierro

The Nobel “prize” means absolutely nothing anymore...

But...

If someone were to develop an adult diaper to successfully contain all the poopy democrats extrude, than that actually might be noteworthy...

But, I’m sure as hell not going to change that diaper!!!


42 posted on 02/18/2014 2:27:32 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
So, if coal can bail out the Heartland Institute, they can also bail out Steyn

It would be better if support did not come from the coal or oil industries because the media, if Mark were to succeed, will just report that the coal/oil industries bought and paid for the verdict.

43 posted on 02/18/2014 5:14:50 AM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I must have missed the details of this. Help me to understand what is going on.

Committing a crime is no longer the crime? Exposing the criminal actions of others is now the crime?

-PJ

That's about right.

44 posted on 02/18/2014 6:42:28 AM PST by madison10
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To: Go Gordon
So what you are saying is that it is OK if it is not quid pro quo.

Returning to Heartland, one of their biggest donors is anonymous. So that donor can not be identified but the donor can be characterized, or characterized.

45 posted on 02/18/2014 6:53:29 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
So what you are saying is that it is OK if it is not quid pro quo.

No, what I'm saying is that if the case goes to trial and Steyn proves the falacy of the man-made global warming religion, it can be used to confront the "settled-science" crowd. However, if Steyn is funded by oil/coal companies, the lefties will use that fact to deminish the actual result of disproving man-made global warming.

46 posted on 02/18/2014 8:08:40 AM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Go Gordon
"if the case goes to trial and Steyn proves the fallacy of the man-made global warming"

He can't do that because his stated defense is that what he said was merely opinion.

Accept the reality, what Steyn said/did back at that time was one part of a co-ordinated attempt to discredit.

There is an old rule: When you start calling people names, that means you are losing the argument, or have lost the argument

47 posted on 02/18/2014 8:43:32 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Fledermaus

That is a libel against Carson. Mann is a liar through and through.


48 posted on 02/18/2014 9:10:35 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: CedarDave
Indeed this should become a battle royale left vs right global warming swindel vs reason. Is Mann going to prove his hockey stick con in court?
49 posted on 02/18/2014 9:11:54 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Elsie
Also from the same Crichton speech:
There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.

50 posted on 02/18/2014 9:14:41 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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