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Forget Big Bang-'Rainbow Gravity' theory-universe has NO beginning & stretches out infinitely
The London Daily Mail ^ | December 11, 2013 | Ellie Zolfagharifard

Posted on 12/15/2013 1:55:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

To think that our universe is 13.8 billion years old is incredible enough.

But now researchers are proposing that the universe stretches back into time infinitely with no singular point where it started.

The idea is one possible result of something known as ‘rainbow gravity’- a theory that is not widely accepted among physicists, though many say the idea is interesting.

The theory’s name comes from a suggestion that gravity's effect on the cosmos is felt differently by varying wavelengths of light, which can be found in the colours of the rainbow.

The theory was proposed 10 years ago in an attempt to reconcile difference between the theories of general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Researchers claim it highlights flaws in the Big Bang theory, which suggests the universe was born about 13.8 billion years ago when an infinitely dense point - known as a 'singularity' - exploded.

According to Einstein's general relativity, huge objects warp space-time so that anything travelling through it, such as light (regardless of its frequency), takes a curving path.

The Big Bang theory was formulated in 1922 by Alexander Friedmann.

Friedmann began with Einstein's equations of general relativity and found a solution to those equations in which the universe began in a state of high density and temperature....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bigbang; creation; rainbowtheory; science; stringtheory
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord" (Revelation 1:8).
1 posted on 12/15/2013 1:55:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My immediate thoughts were along those lines. It’s wonderful how the Bible already told us this.


2 posted on 12/15/2013 1:58:39 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The theory’s name comes from a suggestion that gravity's effect on the cosmos is felt differently by varying wavelengths of light, which can be found in the colours of the rainbow.

If that was the case, then wouldn't gravitational lensing by supermassive black holes create a prism effect along the electromagnetic spectrum?

3 posted on 12/15/2013 2:12:44 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suspect the universe has been here all along and that it’s the state of matter that’s changed.

I’ll take the Hubble constant for $500 Bob.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 2:13:39 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This can’t be...

The science is settled...


5 posted on 12/15/2013 2:14:01 AM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv; All

More science for the scientific to peruse and perhaps post at Catastrophism.


6 posted on 12/15/2013 2:19:37 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
gravity's effect on the cosmos is felt differently by varying wavelengths of light, which can be found in the colours of the rainbow.

Uhh. Visible light, as seen in the rainbow, is an itsy-bitsy segment of the EM spectrum. It's only really distinguishing characteristic is that humans are able to see it.

7 posted on 12/15/2013 2:50:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Light speed and warp is the wrong direction. Gravity is faster than light and that
is most likely where any space travel tech will derive from.
8 posted on 12/15/2013 2:55:45 AM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: MaxMax
Gravity is faster than light...

Now that would be an interesting experiment to prove. Cool idea though...

9 posted on 12/15/2013 3:00:59 AM PST by Wingy
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To: Wingy
Now that would be an interesting experiment to prove. Cool idea though...

And what is gravity? First and foremost, its an amazingly weak force. The entire Earth is pulling on me right now (and I on it), yet I can still jump away from it with just the power in my legs (albiet briefly).

But back to my point, to conquer gravity we are going to have to at least understand what it is. All we have is the observable effects.

10 posted on 12/15/2013 3:46:41 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: DB

Is Left trying to insinuate that the universe was made up of gay particles when it was first formed?


11 posted on 12/15/2013 3:49:20 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord" (Revelation 1:8).

A perfect summary for that which is beyond human comprehension.

12 posted on 12/15/2013 3:51:44 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sister Bernadette told me this in grade school.


13 posted on 12/15/2013 3:57:19 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: All

Oh my God Thomas Pynchon was right!!!


14 posted on 12/15/2013 4:05:01 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Fred Nerks

Forget Big Bang-’Rainbow Gravity’ theory-universe has NO beginning & stretches out infinitely, >>>>>>>>

Its realy simple, but its just not over until the flat lady sings:

Watch here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY#t=27

(Imagining the 10th dimension, annotated)


15 posted on 12/15/2013 4:06:13 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well the big bang theory certainly doesn’t explain the origin of the universe. Try this. It’ll get you a government grant for a while, and then you can try another theory.


16 posted on 12/15/2013 5:16:45 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a theory that is not widely accepted among physicists...

Got to this point and my BS meter started buzzing.

17 posted on 12/15/2013 5:20:48 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These theorists would quit wasting much of their time if they only realized the physical universe is an illusion.Start from that point and maybe they might get somewhere.
18 posted on 12/15/2013 5:35:14 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord" (Revelation 1:8).

The same Lord known as the Great I AM and Who has no discernible beginning or end. The universe is a pinprick compared to God's eternal existence.

Mankind/scientists can't really understand/devise the questions, much less find the true answers with the same math that tells us that statistically there is no life in the universe, much less an evolved human race on Earth.

19 posted on 12/15/2013 5:43:04 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I had the pleasure of Carl Sagan as an astronomy professor. Since I was a young man, I asked a young man's question: "What was outside the 'singularity'?"

Without missing a beat, Dr Sagan simply replied, "hyperspace".

20 posted on 12/15/2013 5:59:47 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: DB

“This can’t be...
The science is settled...”

I know the head of physics at the local college. Brilliant guy, he has lectured at FermiLab. Very down to earth and normal. I have heard him preface several statements with “at our present level of ignorance we assume that..........”


21 posted on 12/15/2013 6:17:44 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think a better way of describing this is that the universe, as such, is a composite of other, semi-universes. So, as a universe, it didn’t so much come into existence, but came into organization.

Explaining the parts of the composite seems to combine very different things, somewhat like describing different parts of the body that seem to have very little in common, like the bones, the organs, the muscles, the hair and nails. They seem too different to combine into a whole.

In the case of the universe, for example, some parts of the composite are structural and abstract, like why is a triangle different from a square or a circle. Others are more substantial, like why are time and space like two axes of the same thing? Or mass and gravity?

But until all of the parts are assembled, there is no universe, though their could be.


22 posted on 12/15/2013 6:57:31 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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Why Our Universe is Not a Hologram
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3101551/posts


23 posted on 12/15/2013 8:35:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; backwoods-engineer; ...
Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


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24 posted on 12/15/2013 8:37:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberal: “Enough with the hypothesizing, how does this
boost global warming and how can we make the public
aware of the horrific consequences if we do nothing”.


25 posted on 12/15/2013 8:45:08 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Wingy; MaxMax
Here is an interesting site if you have a couple of free minutes....

Welcome to the Center for Gravitational Wave Physics

26 posted on 12/15/2013 9:13:47 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: whodathunkit

Maybe I’m not that smart, but we’re supposed to believe that the universe was created from a thimble full of mass that exploded, but no one can tell us where the thimble full of mass come from?


27 posted on 12/15/2013 10:59:19 AM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: Mean Daddy
I have given up long ago trying to understand the complexities of creation.

Believing in one system or another may not alter the reality of our existence. It does, however, satisfy an important human need to understand our place in the universe. Without beliefs we wander aimlessly.

Though I don’t understand gravity, I do believe in it. And have a great respect for it as well!

28 posted on 12/15/2013 11:53:22 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: Usagi_yo
I’ll take the Hubble constant for $500 Bob.

A couple of useful corollaries to Murphy's Laws...

Constants aren't.

Variables don'r.

 

29 posted on 12/15/2013 3:19:43 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Wingy; MaxMax
Gravity is faster than light...

Now that would be an interesting experiment to prove. Cool idea though...


From what I understand, where you see the sun in the sky, because of the speed at which light propagates, it is actually 8 minutes behind what you see.

On the other hand, the gravitational center of the sun/earth/moon system, is not off by a similar amount. If it were, stable orbits wouldn't be possible. Seens to me, that this indicates gravity and its effects aren't limited by the speed of light.

 

 

30 posted on 12/15/2013 3:25:02 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: whodathunkit

Without beliefs we wander aimlessly.

Even with beliefs we wander aimlessly,
we just don’t know it.


31 posted on 12/15/2013 3:25:37 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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