Posted on 12/11/2013 6:31:03 AM PST by Morgana
yep, he sounds like someone Time would approve of!
Sarah Palin approves too. I am comfortable with the Pope because he has been made out to be liberal due to liberal rags taking his words out of context. I am shocked that supposedly intelligent people are find the liberal rags Gospel suddenly.
Children don’t make decisions for themselves. Sarah Palin was baptised as Catholic and went to Catechism classes. You start Cathecism classes in the first grade. Now that is reality.
How in the hell is that you can read someone’s own words and still not believe what in the hell you read. It is the same thing with you, no matter the discussion. You don’t like the facts so you ignore them. Normally this is a liberal tactic. But in your case you have adopted it to. Ignore reality. Ignore facts.
I did get one thing wrong about Sarah Palin. She was baptised in Christ the King Catholic Church in Richland, WA, not Pasco, which is right beside Pasco.
I don’t think Cruz did enough to take the honor. He did a quick filibuster that ended up not going anywhere. He did about the same thing as Abortion Wendy did and she was not honored either luckily.
Shows you how left he is when even Time puts him on the cover.
God help the Catholic Church.
The 49 year old Governor knows very well how she believes and she is very devout, and she left the Catholic denomination, and remains a non-Catholic by choice.
Why don’t you pester her about not being a member of your denomination, not me.
“I was baptized Catholic as a newborn and then my family started going to non-denominational churches throughout our life,”
“I am comfortable with the Pope because he has been made out to be liberal due to liberal rags taking his words out of context.”
No. Not at all. For example, per the Vatican, here are his economic comments:
“54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
No to the new idolatry of money
55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.
56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.
” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.
205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...
... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”
His vapid mouthings of warm and fuzzy emotions are not being distorted by liberal rags, unless the Vatican is a liberal rag and the Pope is an incompetent.
I agree with this guy:
“By elevating feeling over thought, by making compassion the measure of all things, the Pope was able to evade the complexities of the situation, in effect indulging in one of the characteristic vices of our time, moral exhibitionism, which is the espousal of generous sentiment without the pain of having to think of the costs to other people of the implied (but unstated) morally-appropriate policy. This imprecision allowed him to evade the vexed question as to exactly how many of the suffering of Africa, and elsewhere, Europe was supposed to admit and subsidize (and by Europe I mean, of course, the European taxpayer, who might have problems of his own). I was reminded of a discussion in my French family in which one brother-in-law complained to another of the ungenerous attitude of the French state towards immigrants from the Third World. ‘Well,’ said the other, ‘you have room enough. Why don’t you take ten Malians?’ To this there was no reply except that it was a low blow: though to me it seemed a perfectly reasonable response.
The Pope’s use of a term such as ‘those who take the socio-economic decisions in anonymity’ was strong on connotation but weak on denotation, itself a sign of intellectual evasion. Who, exactly, were ‘those’ people? Wall Street hedge fund managers, the International Monetary Fund, opponents of free trade, African dictators? Was he saying that the whole world economic system was to blame for the migration across the Mediterranean, that the existence of borders was illegitimate, that Denmark (for example) was rich because Swaziland was poor, that if only Losotho were brought up to the level of Liechtenstein (or, of course, if Liechtenstein were brought down to the level of Lesotho) no one would drown in the Mediterranean? There was something for everyone’s conspiracy theory in his words; but whatever else they meant, we were to understand that he was on the side of the little man, not the big, itself a metonym for virtuous sentiment...
...And the absence of the tragic sense in the Pope’s remarks allowed him to wallow in a pleasing warm bath of sentiment without distraction by complex and unpleasant realities. Perhaps this will earn him applause in the short run; but in the long run he does not serve his flock by such over-simplifications.” - Theodore Dalrymple
“she left the Catholic denomination”.
She didn’t leave anything. Her parents made the decision to leave the Catholic Church. Do you have a problem with comprehension. From your thought process something is lacking. You make no sense.
Of course she remains a non-practicing Catholic by choice.
Maybe one day she’ll see the error of her ways and come back to the fullness of the faith. Maybe she should talk to Rick Santorum or the Catholic convert Newt Gingrich.
Naw just shows you that Time is trying to save it’s own pathetic ship from sinking. I look at it as them going “retro” in their decision.
Well maybe they are being quasi-honest here.
This pope, controversies or no, is going to appear classy long after any Democrat in today’s government has completely dissolved down into being a fool.
Why don’t you post your source for Palin having wanted to remain Catholic, while you are at it, perhaps you can tell us why she still has no interest in joining the Catholic denomination.
Perhaps she can talk to Nancy Pelosi, or Joe Biden, and become converted to the church of the democrats.
Strange times we're in. It's blatant, unambiguous, plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face Marxist boilerplate. So many refuse to really hear the plain language he's using. The above sounds like an excerpt of an Al Gore campaign speech from a dozen years ago.
Really? You have a short term memory then. Pope Benedict XVI was caricatured beyond recognition as "Evil Emperor Sideous" every time he made a public comment. Either you've forgotten or actually agreed with the liberal media about what a rotten NAZI Benedict was.
I never said Palin said she wanted to remain Catholic. Six year olds do what their parents tell them to do.
I said her parents left the faith and took their children with them. You are like talking to a wall. Sooner or later the old, tired Catholic bashing starts again, and I am not putting up with your nonsense again. This is my word on the subject.
One of the popes agreed that capital punishment is OK if there is a possibility that the jail is not strong enough to hold the murderer. That seemed to me a thoughtful point of view.
It is similar to Ann Coulter’s statement that the problem with life sentences instead of execution is that when the Democrats get control, they release the murderers.
OK, now back to Pope Francis.
I lost my entire ping list — so must rebuild it.
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You keep trying to force square pegs into round holes, like the Mormon devotees do.
Palin has no interest in joining your denomination.
Palin addresses her path to Christ on page 22 of her book, “Going Rogue”, in 1976 she asked for and received baptism, in Beaver lake, at age 12.
So, by your logic the ones praising him (i.e., the Liberals who awarded him Person of the Year) are moral and going to heaven???
John McCain was NOT. BORN. IN. THE. UNITED. STATES, was he???
Good lord
You guys are in complete denial
A liberal pope plain and simple
A real pity
Does any Catholic here see this?
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