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Pope Francis, The Choice (Time person of the year!)
Time ^ | Nancy Gibbs

Posted on 12/11/2013 6:31:03 AM PST by Morgana

Once there was a boy so meek and modest, he was awarded a Most Humble badge. The next day, it was taken away because he wore it. Here endeth the lesson.

How do you practice humility from the most exalted throne on earth? Rarely has a new player on the world stage captured so much attention so quickly—young and old, faithful and cynical—as has Pope Francis. In his nine months in office, he has placed himself at the very center of the central conversations of our time: about wealth and poverty, fairness and justice, transparency, modernity, globalization, the role of women, the nature of marriage, the temptations of power.

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Pope Francis and NOT Obozo!
1 posted on 12/11/2013 6:31:03 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Frankly I thought they were going to go with Ed Snowden.
Few have had a bigger impact on the news cycle.


2 posted on 12/11/2013 6:39:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer; Salvation; Tax-chick; Chode

I’m lovin’ it ping!!


3 posted on 12/11/2013 6:39:34 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

He made the list.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 6:40:06 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

My choice would have been Ted Cruz.

But the Pope is a newsmaker, that’s for sure.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 6:40:28 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Morgana

Why am I not surprised? A Pope who downplays morality and repentance, who makes silly statements like ‘Just say no to war!’ and who attacks free markets and argues for one world government to impose economic equality...yep, he sounds like someone Time would approve of!


6 posted on 12/11/2013 6:40:51 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

You know not what you speak of.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 6:43:19 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ted Cruz is my choice for Prez. I sure hope he makes it to the general election.


8 posted on 12/11/2013 6:44:19 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Why am I not surprised? A Pope who downplays morality and repentance, who makes silly statements like ‘Just say no to war!’ and who attacks free markets and argues for one world government to impose economic equality...yep, he sounds like someone Time would approve of!

Now you've done it. How dare you? Do you really think Time Magazine would actually pick someone because they mirror and promote leftist views? And for those who might not know...../s

9 posted on 12/11/2013 6:45:35 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Morgana

Followed by:

Edward Snowden
Edith Windsor
Bashar Al-Assad
Ted Cruz


10 posted on 12/11/2013 6:47:31 AM PST by deport
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To: Morgana

That’s just because they still think Pope Francis is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 6:52:15 AM PST by golas1964
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To: Morgana

“Ted Cruz is my choice for Prez. I sure hope he makes it to the general election.”

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Therefore, he is not a natural born U.S. citizen. Therefore, he is not eligible for the Presidency. We need to find someone else. Cruz will make an excellent cabinet appointment though.


12 posted on 12/11/2013 6:55:47 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: golas1964

Yes. A liberal “friend” of mine was going on recently about how wonderfully tolerant the Pope is etc. I had to leave the room.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 6:56:06 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“who makes silly statements like ‘Just say no to war”.

You mean like every other Pope who has ever lived?

And when has Francis ever “downplayed morality and repentance”? Inquiring minds want to know.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 7:00:18 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: joseph20

“Ted Cruz was born in Canada”

“Obama was born in ________” well not in the United States.


15 posted on 12/11/2013 7:01:49 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Oh no, not a Pope who says no to war, I bet it makes you long for the day when Popes not only supported war, but waged it.

Next thing you know he will denounce capital punishment


16 posted on 12/11/2013 7:02:17 AM PST by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Time for Hitler to find out he did not get Person of the Year!!!


17 posted on 12/11/2013 7:03:18 AM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: joseph20

There have been threads too numerous to count on the subject of natural born citizenship, and whether Obama is one, etc.

Cruz had an American citizen mother, so he was born an American citizen.

As with any other issue, if Cruz runs, someone would have to file a lawsuit to try to block him. Many seem to think that if a court ever ruled, it would be to rule that Cruz is eligible to run for President.

I understand what you are saying, but, there doesn’t seem to be any clear legal consensus on what natural born citizen really means. During the primary season last time, some even questioned Rick Santorum’s eligibility, because his father was not an American citizen at the time of Rick’s birth.

It’s clear that an Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a natural born citizen, but not at all clear in the case of a Ted Cruz.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 7:04:49 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I was hoping they would. If they cared about newsworthiness, they would’ve. But they care far more about celebrating and popularizing the biggest boon to leftism on the world stage to appear since Obama, the new, extremely liberal Pope.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 7:08:36 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Mr Rogers
Francis started off by decrying wealth within the clergy -- good. Then he started denigrating that the Church maintains art and artifacts -- wellll, I guess it must be that Jesuit simplicity. Fine I guess. Then he started badmouthing traditionalists -- uh-ho, but maybe he's just being misinterpreted. Then he made some passing comments seemingly against capitalism -- I HOPE he is being misinterpreted. Then there was that ridiculous "world yout day" in Rio, with thousands of girls in bikinis prancing in the surf during the million-person mass -- poorly executed event...Maybe not his fault...? Then a veritable avalanche of comments and interviews pissing on traditionalists, promoting this hippie-ish "do whatever you feeeeel is the right thing," and soft-pedaling on things like gay lifestyle -- again, we were stridently reassured that its ALL misinterpretations. Then that horrible document calling for governmental redistribution of wealth and an end to capitalism -- yet again, angrily told THATS NOT WHAT HE MEANT. Now Time magazine fawns over him, and I'm supposed to be happy? If the left is so happy with him. He's wrong. Simple as that.

I tried to stay optimistic about the pope, but I came to the point when I had to admit he's a complete disaster -- especially after Benedict, who was such a good pope.

At this point all I can do is try to glean amusement from the contortions some put themselves through in order to justify his ramblings and correct all these "misinterpretations." That, and start looking up PiusX chapels in my area.

20 posted on 12/11/2013 7:08:57 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Morgana
Already posted Time Person of the Year: Pope Francis
21 posted on 12/11/2013 7:08:59 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

“Oh no, not a Pope who says no to war”

Pope Francis made that statement in reference to Syria when Obama was gearing up to go to war.

The fools attacking the Pope are siding with Hillary and Obama on this one. They are immoral bastards and will likely go to hell.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 7:09:16 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Morgana

His Marxist rant got him past the finish line.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 7:10:11 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: joseph20
"Cruz will make an excellent cabinet appointment though."

No. Cruz would and probably will make and excellent President of the United States.

The eligibility issue has been hashed over at length, and JimRob has made is completely clear that he, based on credible sources. considers Cruz eligible. People trying to stir up trouble on that score aren't especially cared for.

24 posted on 12/11/2013 7:13:29 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

How can it not be clear? He was born in Canada. He was not naturally born in the United States of America. I don’t get how this can be unclear. NOT. BORN. IN. THE. UNITED STATES. PERIOD.


25 posted on 12/11/2013 7:14:27 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

JimRob is wrong then. Sorry to hear it. We’ll take this up on another thread if it comes up. I don’t want to hijack this one. /end


26 posted on 12/11/2013 7:18:50 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

‘Just say no to war’ is a bumpersticker, not a thought. How do you prevent evil from controlling everything if good refuses to fight?

As for denouncing capital punishment - God did not, so why should he?

“Compassionate fellow-feeling, however, can soon become self-indulgent and lead to spiritual pride. It imparts an inner glow, like a shot of whiskey on a cold day, but like whiskey it can prevent the clear-headedness which we need at least as much as we need warmth of heart. Pascal said that the beginning of morality was to think well; generosity of spirit is not enough.”

http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/07/22/pope-francis-should-seek-clarity-on-moral-responsibility/#.Uf9c7sOZVPM.twitter

The Pope’s bumpersticker morality is an embarrassment. His predecessor had a mind. This Pope seems to be lacking it. He is like a 1967 hippie singing instead of someone with moral vision - which is WHY he was picked by Time magazine!


27 posted on 12/11/2013 7:20:59 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: joseph20

The reason it’s not clear to me, is that he is a citizen by birth through his mother. He never had to go through the naturalization process, because he was a citizen by birth through his mother. Because of legal standards such as this, that’s why it’s unclear to me whether Ted Cruz can run for president.

To my knowledge, courts have never ruled on exactly what natural born citizen with reference to presidential eligibility means. Which is also why it’s unclear to me, even though apparently very clear to you.


28 posted on 12/11/2013 7:22:43 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Mr Rogers

I have to agree with you.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 7:32:40 AM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: joseph20

Neither was George Washington born in the United States of America.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 7:36:50 AM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: Lakeshark

“Do you really think Time Magazine would actually pick someone because they mirror and promote leftist views”

You mean like all those “liberal” soldiers that were recognized in 2003 when “The American Soldier” was selected instead of one individual person. The awards plays no favorites. The person who has generated the most news coverage usually wins it every time. Hell, George Bush won it for invading Iraq.


31 posted on 12/11/2013 7:37:39 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Morgana; DungeonMaster

Oh, oh, OH — YIPPEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Endorsement from a leftist POS ragazine: Priceless!


32 posted on 12/11/2013 7:38:23 AM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: Morgana

Obozo will not be pleased. Probably cried, rolled on the floor and held his breath as soon as he heard this.


33 posted on 12/11/2013 7:38:31 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The fools attacking the Pope are siding with Hillary and Obama on this one. They are immoral bastards and will likely go to hell.

Bergoglio sure has a nice bunch of fans.

34 posted on 12/11/2013 7:44:31 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

As a Roman Catholic who is serious about faith, I am starting to look elsewhere.

Between this Pope, the malfeasance of the clergy, and the Churches’ positions on immigration, redistribution of wealth and gun control, I’m about done with the institution.


35 posted on 12/11/2013 7:45:00 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I’m very thankful my views/opinions/thoughts about the Pope have nothing to do with my eternal destination. I pray that you don’t think yours do with regard to yours...


36 posted on 12/11/2013 7:47:35 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I tried to stay optimistic about the pope, but I came to the point when I had to admit he's a complete disaster -- especially after Benedict, who was such a good pope. At this point all I can do is try to glean amusement from the contortions some put themselves through in order to justify his ramblings and correct all these "misinterpretations." That, and start looking up PiusX chapels in my area.

I'm with you...it's funny how every utterance from this Pope seems to be 'misinterpretted'. Youd thisnk if no one could interprit him correctly he'd be a little more careful about what he says.

BTW I agree with your tagline. Fate is inexorable.

37 posted on 12/11/2013 7:52:01 AM PST by pgkdan (Stay Calm and Cruz on! Ted Cruz for President in 2016!)
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To: Morgana
Sarah Palin says Pope Francis is a liberal

She was right the first time, she should not have apologized. Anyone who does not see the pope for what he is (a liberal) is blinded by their own desire to see him as "their guy." They manufacture a fantasy of what they want him to be, instead of dealing reality.

38 posted on 12/11/2013 7:52:17 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Mr Rogers
"Pope Francis at Mass: Praying is a bit like “annoying” God Pope Francis spoke on the theme of prayer on Thursday, saying when we pray it’s a bit like annoying God so that he listens to us. His remarks came during his homily at the morning mass in the Santa Marta guesthouse."

The Pope is probably annoyed that more people are not praying to Mary. No created being can hear prayers. Only the Lord can hear prayers. The RCC cult sees Jesus as angry and judgmental and only Mary's intercession can save us. The RCC cult is a Mystery Babylon religion hiding behind a facade of Christianity.

39 posted on 12/11/2013 7:52:48 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
Between this Pope, the malfeasance of the clergy, and the Churches’ positions on immigration, redistribution of wealth and gun control, I’m about done with the institution.

I'm very, very, disappointed with much...indeed most of the Church's hierarchy. But they are NOT the Church. The Church is the mystical body of Christ. I could never leave the Church no matter how much the men who seem to rule Her on earth fail. We all fall short of the glory of God and priests, bishops and Popes are no exception.

40 posted on 12/11/2013 7:55:14 AM PST by pgkdan (Stay Calm and Cruz on! Ted Cruz for President in 2016!)
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To: chessplayer
"Obozo will not be pleased. Probably cried, rolled on the floor and held his breath as soon as he heard this." doglaughing photo thlmaodog.gif
41 posted on 12/11/2013 7:58:41 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: NKP_Vet
The awards plays no favorites.

The naivete of that statement is beyond words.

42 posted on 12/11/2013 8:01:13 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
I have thought about how far to go, and I've personally concluded that PiusX is the furthest away I can stray. I believe in the teachings of the Church, I believe that the Church is Christ's Church. But it seems to be that PiusX is closer to Catholic teachings than the faction that is currently at the helm of Peter's boat. The traditional Latin mass is spiritually uplifting beyond words, and while vastly prefer it I would settle for a reverent, Christ-centered novus ordo. But most priests are mediocre and conduct their masses like clownshow hootenannies.

I'm seriously concerned that this pope and his cronies will institute liberal opinion as dogma. I hear talk that there is some kind of synod to consider whether bishop's conferences should be able to decree dogma themselves independent of the magisterium. Can you imagine? Slavish support for wide open borders would be a faith-requirement from the USCCB.

More and more, I wish the Church wasn't so stuck on authority. I understand that there needs to be a command structure to ensure that the true teachings are upheld and adhered to. But in practice it seems to work in the opposite direction, squashing any and all sincere concerns while breezing over serious heresy. For example, PiusX gets thrown out on their ear, while bishops proudly dispense communion to loudly pro-abortion politicians and conduct grand state funerals for them when they kick the bucket (see Ted Kennedy's send-off from Cardinal Swisher O'Malley.)

43 posted on 12/11/2013 8:03:10 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Mr Rogers

My thought exactly.


44 posted on 12/11/2013 8:05:43 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Morgana

This petty much says it all. Francis the pope is officially
on the One World Government, New World Order socialist team.
I guess he thinks that if he does his part to bring down
morals and principals in western civilization then they will
make him king of the state religion. My suspicions of this
cat is being proven day by day. The Pope is another Obama.


45 posted on 12/11/2013 8:10:20 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Morgana

Judging from the list put out yesterday, this could have been a *lot* worse.


46 posted on 12/11/2013 8:19:53 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SVTCobra03

You are totally wacked


47 posted on 12/11/2013 8:21:53 AM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: joseph20

I heard he ties his shoes left-handed. This cannot be tolerated, and therefore he’s not eligible to be President.

He has a “z” at the end of his name, therefore he’s not eligible to be President.

He’s not very tall, therefore he’s not eligible to be President.

He’s from Texas, therefore he’s not eligible to be President.

He said something nice about Nelson Mandela, therefore he’s not eligible to be President.

He allowed himself to be gaveled down after 21 hours speaking on the floor, therefore he’s not eligible to be President.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 8:24:50 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: joseph20

So you think our laws are written so if you are a full citizen but you happen to be traveling overseas when you give birth, your kid is an illegal immigrant when you bring him back? Wouldn’t that be mind-numbingly stupid if true?

The only reason it’s an issue for Obama is because his mom did not live here enough years as an adult to meet the criteria in the law as written at the time for her kid to be a citizen if born overseas. That’s not the case with Cruz.


49 posted on 12/11/2013 8:28:39 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I keep believing that Pope Francis isn’t really the person his words have portrayed him to be....via the press.....but then I see things like him being named Time’s Person of the Year and I wonder....

Am I just wanting to believe we don’t have a pope who is a socialist, redistributor, and who is wishy washy on moral teachings of our faith?


50 posted on 12/11/2013 8:29:17 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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