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Students face expulsion from school for pulling gun on home intruder
UK Daily Mail ^ | November 9, 2013 | Ryan Gorman

Posted on 11/09/2013 5:07:22 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

Two Gonzaga University seniors are on the verge of being expelled after using a gun to defend themselves from a career criminal trying to break into their apartment.

Erik Fagan and Dan McIntosh, who both live in an off-campus near the school’s Spokane, OR., campus, were accosted last month by a man demanding money while standing in the door of their apartment.

Mr Fagan offered food and a blanket, but declined to give ex-con John Taylor any money, he told KHQ. Mr Taylor then tried to fight his way into the apartment but was scared off by Mr McIntosh’s hand gun.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; diversity; gonzaga; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; oregon; secondamendment
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1 posted on 11/09/2013 5:07:22 PM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

Campus security ‘is all over campus.’ Awesome.


2 posted on 11/09/2013 5:09:27 PM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement
who both live in an off-campus near the school’s Spokane, OR., campus

...and I thought Americans were supposed to be bad at geography.

3 posted on 11/09/2013 5:10:47 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Lawyer up. Now.


4 posted on 11/09/2013 5:10:50 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: ConservativeStatement

bump


5 posted on 11/09/2013 5:11:38 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: ConservativeStatement

To the Lib mind they should have let the perk kill them.


6 posted on 11/09/2013 5:14:33 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Insane.

The university think their students have a duty to die


7 posted on 11/09/2013 5:14:49 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Rodamala
Make the U give them full ride scholarships.

They can live in the basement at the Prezzy's House where it will be safer.

8 posted on 11/09/2013 5:15:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rodamala

Yup. Get a lawyer. Fight on. If you need to, run screaming from Gonzaga. The NERVE!!


9 posted on 11/09/2013 5:15:28 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: GeronL

Schools led by fools.


10 posted on 11/09/2013 5:16:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The burglars are solid DNC voters.

They DNC will do all they can to ensure their community level redistribution plans continue.

US prisons over flow with democrats.


11 posted on 11/09/2013 5:16:19 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: Rodamala

Lawyer up. Now.
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Absolutely. And call the NRA; there are folks who defend victims (of both the University and the “homeless” creature) of citizens having their 2nd Amendment rights denied.


12 posted on 11/09/2013 5:17:07 PM PST by House Atreides ( D)
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To: ConservativeStatement

” live in an off-campus”

Sue the university for millions of dollars. This is outrageous.


13 posted on 11/09/2013 5:18:36 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Under the Democrats; the Lincoln Memorial is closed; but the southern border is open)
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To: bboop

Maybe transfer to a saner school.

I can kinda sorta see the school’s fear and it’s tied, I believe, to lawsuit happiness. Since it apparently happened in a housing unit kept by the school, the school is worrying about the possibility of getting sued by someone shot by an occupant of the unit. Now in a saner age such a suit would get laughed off. But our new fangled “deep pockets” require, not just allow, some sufficiently rich party who is a minor co-defendant to stand the whole cost of an inflated lawsuit. One of the earlier ways liberalism went off the rails.


14 posted on 11/09/2013 5:20:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Gonzaga portable gun-free zone goes where you go.


15 posted on 11/09/2013 5:22:28 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: bboop

Also... the more we can get back to a rights-based view of keeping and bearing arms, perhaps the less opportunity there would be for such lawsuits to win. Because if the school can’t control the use of the guns, then it cannot be held liable for not having controlled them.


16 posted on 11/09/2013 5:23:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Never trust your life to an effing Liberal. They’re going to righteously do exactly the wrong thing.


17 posted on 11/09/2013 5:29:47 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

And their jurisdiction to punish students for engaging in legal behavior off-campus? Shoot, hit them for more money than you’d make in a lifetime with a degree from their “school”, and all is well.


18 posted on 11/09/2013 5:30:59 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ConservativeStatement
The duo will find out their fate as early as this week

An interesting lawsuit?

When asked by the station how students are expected to defend themselves in the face of such a restriction, the school claimed campus security ‘is all over campus.’

Ha, ha! Good one! These guys live OFF CAMPUS!

19 posted on 11/09/2013 5:46:18 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What happened to my tagline??)
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To: seowulf

Apparently Spokane has gotten larger since I was there last ;’)


20 posted on 11/09/2013 5:47:03 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: NoLibZone

“The burglars are solid DNC voters.”

That’s hitting the nail on the head. Dems seem to always side with criminals because that is their voting block.


21 posted on 11/09/2013 5:49:03 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

‘The university’s weapons policy forbids the possession of weapons... in both on-campus and off-campus housing,’ a spokesperson told the station.

Since Gonzaga is a private Jesuit school, the best bet for these students is to appeal to the bishop of Spokane to act as a reasonable mediator. While the school may legitimately expect its students to maintain both morality and decorum, to expect them to be victimized or murdered while off campus, just to obey an arbitrary rule that they be unarmed and helpless, is foolish indeed.

No harm came of their actions, and two lives might have been saved. This is far more important than whimsical and secular rules.


22 posted on 11/09/2013 5:50:34 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Kirkwood
Gonzaga portable gun-free zone goes where you go.

I wonder what the range of the zone is? What if a kid lived in an apartment 50 miles away and commuted?

23 posted on 11/09/2013 5:56:48 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What happened to my tagline??)
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To: Right Wing Assault

does Campus security go where you go too??


24 posted on 11/09/2013 5:57:36 PM PST by GeronL
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To: ConservativeStatement

so what? Why would they want to get an education at a facility run by such idiots?


25 posted on 11/09/2013 6:35:44 PM PST by Wanderer99
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To: bboop; House Atreides; Paladin2
When I was in my senior year, my college started on me with shenanigans and game-playing that escalated to the point where they were going to throw me out of school. The level of harassment and abuse from the Dean of Students and the V.P. of the school were so bad that I had to pay a lawyer to threaten the school for a bigtime breach of contract, just so I could get my last 3 credits and my degree.

I was nearly at the point I was going to hire these folks...

http://thefire.org/

...but I just got my degree and got the Hell out of there with sheepskin in hand. Actually, my one buddy pointed me to Levin... this was a long time ago... I dunno if he coulda helped or not, though.

Point is I got my degree, and I will never ever contribute one penny to that school, or the Alumni association... EVER.

I can definately empathize with these kids from Gonzaga. Any Gonzaga Alumni on here should take up the case for these kids and personally see to it that a hornets nest is stirred up and that the administration responsible for this violation of constitutional rights is fired. Money talks in these situations.

26 posted on 11/09/2013 7:31:51 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is a Catholic school in Spokane, Washington, If that stunt was pulled here, G-d knows what would happen at the average State School even in a pure red state, much less a liberal arts type college or University of any kind. Maybe Theological Seminaries are the sole legit option they have.


27 posted on 11/09/2013 7:49:16 PM PST by freedom462
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To: ConservativeStatement
The university’s weapons policy forbids the possession of weapons… in both on-campus and off-campus housing,’

Power extends even off campus. So, this little bitty 4000 student pissant college no one has ever heard of trumps the US Constitution. Hope those boys end up owning it.

28 posted on 11/09/2013 8:12:06 PM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: GeronL
does Campus security go where you go too??

No, but the med school does have wannabe coroners who need the practice.

29 posted on 11/09/2013 9:13:35 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The fools who are trying to expel these two students for legally exercising their second amendment rights should be imprisoned in the same cell as the home intruder!


30 posted on 11/09/2013 10:04:15 PM PST by opres
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To: opres

The home intruder needs to live with the Administrators.


31 posted on 11/10/2013 4:58:22 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: ConservativeStatement
What would Bing Crosby say about this?

Leni

32 posted on 11/10/2013 5:11:26 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: ConservativeStatement
This story left out one very important detail. The off-campus housing the students are living in is university housing - i.e. it is not a private apartment complex, but off-campus housing owned by the university. As such, it is subject to the same rulees as the campus dorms and classrooms.

Now, I can't blame the students for their actions, and in fact they put up with the crumby perp far longer than I would have. So, I hope they do not get expelled. But I also have to reluctantly agree that the university is probably within its legal rights here, as sucky as their decision is.

33 posted on 11/10/2013 5:35:47 AM PST by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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The off-campus housing the students are living in is university housing - “””

Then I would sue the University for not providing proper security.

If they won’t let me take care of myself with my own ‘security’, then they should keep the buildings & occupants safe.

They cannot have it both ways, IMO.


34 posted on 11/10/2013 6:24:32 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Agreed. These kids don’t deserve to be expelled. If anything, they should be praised for their patience and restraint (the homeless perp is lucky he’s not stretched out in a morgue, given his aggressive behavior that night).

Hope things work out for these two guys.


35 posted on 11/10/2013 8:12:31 AM PST by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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To: CodeToad

“The burglars are solid DNC voters.”

That’s hitting the nail on the head. Dems seem to always side with criminals because that is their voting block.


See Sullivan Laws in New York. They were put in place to protect muggers by Sullivan, an associate of Tammany Hall who ran/ruled the gangs.


36 posted on 11/10/2013 9:05:33 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Gonzaga is in an EXTREMELY nasty part of Spokane. Crime, particularly property crimes, are very common around there because of all the social lowlifes preying on the “rich” students. But the statistics get downplayed because it would make the very prestigious university look bad.


37 posted on 11/10/2013 9:25:56 AM PST by Bob In Spokane
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To: SandRat

[To the Lib mind they should have let the perk kill them.]

Or they should have challenged the hoodlum to a debate in which the students’ superior intellects—refined by higher education—would have exposed the folly of the hoodlum’s cause and sent him packing.


38 posted on 11/10/2013 10:08:47 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: DemforBush

Well there’s legal rights and there’s the CODE OF THE WEST. That’s where the students are from and that’s where Gonzaga is. The college obviously thot they didn’t need any security but they are going to lose every time they try to force people to be defenseless. The housing agreement the students signed says “no weapons” but that implies security is in place. As with all the other recent “gun free zone” incidents it’s the school that’s shown its weak spot and they’d better back it up in a hurry or their trust fund is going to take a major hit. Remember Spokane is where the WW II vet recently got killed by beating when two of their finest tried to hold him up. The students had absolute reason to be fearful, concerned, and resist with all they had. Gonzaga doesn’t play football so the students were not likely to be full grown horses-—most likely don’t have the physical skills to bust the head of the robber-—all the more reason for the school to have some security out there in the ‘hood.


39 posted on 11/10/2013 11:43:26 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir, FRiend. I don’t fault these two guys one bit. I’m just sayin’ the article didn’t have the “off campus” part quite right.


40 posted on 11/10/2013 11:54:59 AM PST by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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Now, I can't blame the students for their actions, and in fact they put up with the crumby perp far longer than I would have. So, I hope they do not get expelled. But I also have to reluctantly agree that the university is probably within its legal rights here, as sucky as their decision is.

Yeah, that is a pretty critical omission. Stupid rule, but it's their property. But under those circumstances, why would anyone agree to live there?

41 posted on 11/10/2013 12:18:37 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I wonder what the reaction would be if these were young women instead of men. Or how much media attention this would be getting if this “career criminal” hadn't found himself facing armed resistance. The frequent criminal activity in that area gets overlooked a lot because it might make Gonzaga look bad, and that's not about to be allowed to happen.
Gonzaga may be a prestigious and well regarded university with a good basketball team, but it's not a safe area, especially when the sun isn't up.
42 posted on 11/10/2013 2:23:09 PM PST by Bob In Spokane
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To: ConservativeStatement

The apartments the students were living in are owned and run by the school.


43 posted on 11/10/2013 8:17:27 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

which is why they were hit by the perp, criminals know where the gun free zones are.


44 posted on 11/11/2013 6:00:22 AM PST by blackpacific
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To: CodeToad

Destruction of the society that is based on God’s Law is their motivation,

and that’s why they side with criminals.


45 posted on 11/11/2013 6:02:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MinuteGal
What would Bing Crosby say about this?

Buh b buh bu buh boo

46 posted on 11/11/2013 6:03:05 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sue the pants off them. Ruin careers. Break up families. Make their children cry.


47 posted on 11/11/2013 6:08:14 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: cherokee1

It’s inherently obvious that the security that they
inherently agreed to provide by requiring residents to be defenseless

was criminally negligent in defending those students.

Yep, counter-suit.


48 posted on 11/11/2013 6:11:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ConservativeStatement

It’s sad when the UK reports what our Pravda won’t.


49 posted on 11/11/2013 7:16:57 AM PST by esoxmagnum ( Some hide in bunkers when there is trouble, others run towards the trouble.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

They’re alive. It’s worth it. Finish their education somewhere else.

If we’re to call ourselves “Free Men” we should behave as such.

They did. Case closed.


50 posted on 11/11/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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