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Oregon Tightens Duty to Die on Cancer Patients
National Review Online ^ | November 8, 2013 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 11/08/2013 5:43:25 PM PST by xzins

As I have discussed here previously, the first state to explicitly ration Medicaid–an integral feature of all single payer systems–tightened the screws against terminal cancer patients a few months ago. Now, the issues is gaining wider discussion in Oregon. From an opinion column published in the Statesman Journal by Peter J. Pitts:

In August, Oregon’s Health Evidence Review Commission issued an update to its guidelines for providing cancer treatment to low-income individuals covered by the state Medicaid program. These new guidelines require that Medicaid deny coverage for certain cancer treatments for patients that have been deemed “too” sick, haven’t responded well to previous treatments, or can’t care for themselves.

Through these new rules, Oregon state bureaucrats are severely restricting access to care and dooming potentially thousands of local patients to a premature death…It’s true that for some late-stage cancer patients, the odds are long than any additional treatment can help. But without access to the latest that medical science has to offer, a patient’s survival rate simply drops to zero.

These guidelines dictate that Medicaid only provide “palliative” care – painkillers, acupuncture treatments, wheelchairs, drugs for nausea, and the like.

It’s death panel time!

In the new USA, these kind of death maneuvers will always be done in the bowels of the deep bureaucracy without direct representational democratic involvement.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: abortion; cancer; deathpanels; medicaid; obamacare; oregon; oregonmedicaid; restrictivemedicaid; zerocare
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1 posted on 11/08/2013 5:43:25 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins; Tired of Taxes

Cancer Warrior Ping List ping here!


2 posted on 11/08/2013 5:45:59 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you, Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012) It has been a year, rest in peace, pretty girl!)
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To: xzins

We’ve been seeing this coming for decades, haven’t we?

It seems our fellow Americans won’t wake up to this until they’re told they can pick up Grandma’s body at the morgue.


3 posted on 11/08/2013 5:46:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("No one on earth has any other way left but -- upward.” - Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: xzins
Pretty soon they will endorse the Eskimo Plan...

Escort the elderly out to the glacier and leave them there to die.

-PJ

4 posted on 11/08/2013 5:47:17 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: xzins

Before the Moslem Tyrant destroyed American healthcare,
and the military, and the borders, and the morals,
and the Law, patients afflicted with advanced cancer
were treated ... and many were cured.

No more, unless it involves a member of Congress,
their staff, or in bed with one.


5 posted on 11/08/2013 5:47:31 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: xzins
It's true. "Palliative care" is pretty much the same as "Hospice care," the usual socially approved exit ramp to the great beyond.
6 posted on 11/08/2013 5:48:02 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: xzins

Nahhhh, Palin simply couldn’t have been right...


7 posted on 11/08/2013 5:50:51 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: xzins

It’s one thing if, for medical and financial reasons, your HMO denies coverage beyond a certain level. You still might find acceptable life-saving care on your own or from some charitable source. But when your government says you’re toast, you’re toast!


8 posted on 11/08/2013 5:51:35 PM PST by cartoonistx
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To: xzins

This is going to become more and more common and the sheeple will learn to accept it. Opposition to death panels will be considered “extremist” within a few years.


9 posted on 11/08/2013 5:52:21 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Diogenesis

Being connected makes all the difference.

Congress doesn’t want ObamaCare for many reasons, but most of them are old, and they know death panels are included. It’s probably in the top 3 reasons they wanted out.

Crony Medicalism


10 posted on 11/08/2013 5:52:37 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

bkm


11 posted on 11/08/2013 5:54:48 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: xzins
How does Obamacare reconcile with the Hippocratic Oath....

From Wikipedia's modern American version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help. —Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University

12 posted on 11/08/2013 5:57:27 PM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: xzins

I don’t agree with this but I do wonder - since when is everyone “entitled” to the latest most expensive treatments? It’s as if some people think money and resources are unconstrained. Someone has to pay for all this. I think everyone should be able to pay for whatever care they can afford.

Given the movement towards socialism what is happening in Oregon is inevitable. This is what the voters get and deserve. This is exactly the reason why we should NOT have socialized medicine.


13 posted on 11/08/2013 6:01:49 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Nowhere Man; xzins; Armen Hareyan; B4Ranch; cajungirl; dadfly; GILTN1stborn; FlyingEagle; ...
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14 posted on 11/08/2013 6:02:20 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: xzins

Note that they start with Medicaid patients and say it is a budgetary measure. It won’t end there. This is the camel’s nose under the tent.


15 posted on 11/08/2013 6:04:21 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: plain talk

The point is that under a pay-your-own-way system, they were free to have whatever kind of insurance they wanted, so their death decision was their own.

Under a government-pays system, the government makes death decisions.

Whatever those who voted this in were thinking doesn’t really matter. Their stupidity affects me and my family, and I did NOT vote for this, but it will be imposed on me and mine eventually.


16 posted on 11/08/2013 6:06:50 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: PastorBooks
camel's nose under the tent.

Amen, brother.

17 posted on 11/08/2013 6:07:35 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
when someone else is paying the bill, death panels are inevitable.

When we have the technology to technically keep someone alive forever more or less at enormous cost of course someone somewhere is going to be making the decision to pull the plug before they are bankrupted.

18 posted on 11/08/2013 6:11:36 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: xzins
The government can manipulate the news, the media, the culture, and history.

It can't control the truth, wisdom, knowledge, and experience that grandma and grandpa pass down to their descendants. Especially their warnings of tyranny. Older people care less and less about political correctness and self-censorship as the years of their lives slide into the past.

It is in the best interest of beast.gov to silence those voices... the voices Barack Obama said to reject.

19 posted on 11/08/2013 6:13:16 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: xzins

Well said. So true.


20 posted on 11/08/2013 6:13:35 PM PST by plain talk
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Agree with your post.

It’s a failure of logic to demand unlimited funding of medicaid life support AND reasonable costs to those taxpayers funding it.


21 posted on 11/08/2013 6:15:18 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: TexasFreeper2009

22 posted on 11/08/2013 6:24:11 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Ezekiel
It is in the best interest of beast.gov to silence those voices

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch (Mk 13:37)

23 posted on 11/08/2013 6:27:16 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: MrsFlyingEagle

Ping


24 posted on 11/08/2013 6:29:47 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: hinckley buzzard

When I hear the term “palliative care” I think of George Soros and the “third path”. Here’s a little history.

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/archived-articles/../2011/04/teflon_liberals.html


25 posted on 11/08/2013 6:30:48 PM PST by chickenlips (Karl Rove: The Donut Whisperer)
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To: xzins

The point is that under a pay-your-own-way system, they were free to have whatever kind of insurance they wanted, so their death decision was their own.

Under a government-pays system, the government makes death decisions.

Whatever those who voted this in were thinking doesn’t really matter. Their stupidity affects me and my family, and I did NOT vote for this, but it will be imposed on me and mine eventually.


Well said


26 posted on 11/08/2013 6:32:21 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
These new guidelines require that Medicaid deny coverage for certain cancer treatments for patients that have been deemed “too” sick, haven’t responded well to previous treatments, or can’t care for themselves.

It is the "can't care for themselves" rationale that scares the heck out of me. The other situations can be seen rationally -- in some cases -- as not throwing money down a hole, but the latter is merely an issue of inconvenience for the state (sound familiar?).

27 posted on 11/08/2013 6:35:21 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: chickenlips

28 posted on 11/08/2013 6:35:57 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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29 posted on 11/08/2013 6:46:24 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: xzins

Just buried my husband today with full military honors. He fought cancer for years and I treasure every additional minute that he was able to live and spend time with his children, grandchildren and me. Life is precious but in today’s world of moral decay...little matters.


30 posted on 11/08/2013 6:54:17 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Our prayers are with you and your family, katiedidit1, and our thoughts with those who served. We have been privileged to live alongside of patriots of our day. May the price they paid for freedom remind us of our own duty. And may their struggle remind us to continue the fight. Faith.


31 posted on 11/08/2013 7:00:16 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Operation Eastbourne. Nod to Red Dwarf.


32 posted on 11/08/2013 7:05:40 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: xzins
These new guidelines require that Medicaid deny coverage for certain cancer treatments for patients that have been deemed “too” sick, haven’t responded well to previous treatments, or can’t care for themselves.

DEATH PANELS ARE HERE, ALL YOU @$$HOLES THAT SAID SARAH PALIN WAS CRAZY.

Yes, I'm shouting. As if liberals can possibly be made to hear.

33 posted on 11/08/2013 7:06:51 PM PST by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: xzins

bump


34 posted on 11/08/2013 7:06:53 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Hardastarboard

Sometimes we need to shout. Whispering when there’s danger is cowardice, so that makes it a low-level form of betrayal.


35 posted on 11/08/2013 7:12:28 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Tired of Taxes

We can’t rely on doctors who consider a cured, healthy patient as a lost customer. It’s true that for some late-stage cancer patients, the odds are long than any of the traditional treatments can help but in many cases alternative care treatments are the answer to recovery.


36 posted on 11/08/2013 7:39:06 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name the illness that you have and Google it with hydrogen peroxide. Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wow, how could have possibly foreseen this happening...


37 posted on 11/08/2013 7:44:52 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: xzins

“... deemed ...”.

Probably best to get a job as a “deemer” .... just a precaution.


38 posted on 11/08/2013 7:50:04 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (An Administration of communists, incompetents, and the corrupt ...reminds one of FDR's brain trust.)
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To: katiedidit1
Just buried my husband today with full military honors. He fought cancer for years and I treasure every additional minute that he was able to live and spend time with his children, grandchildren and me. Life is precious but in today’s world of moral decay...little matters.

My mother is dying from her inflammatory breast cancer. My condolences go out to you and it is very hard to see and go through it. I treasure every minute I can get with my mothers and it hurts me to be away from her but now I have to go out and get a job, I stayed home to be her caregiver and it is hard.
39 posted on 11/08/2013 9:20:13 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you, Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012) It has been a year, rest in peace, pretty girl!)
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To: B4Ranch
We can’t rely on doctors who consider a cured, healthy patient as a lost customer. It’s true that for some late-stage cancer patients, the odds are long than any of the traditional treatments can help but in many cases alternative care treatments are the answer to recovery.

I'm trying to do that with my mother as we speak.
40 posted on 11/08/2013 9:21:31 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you, Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012) It has been a year, rest in peace, pretty girl!)
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To: liberalh8ter
How does Obamacare reconcile with the Hippocratic Oath....

Depends, do foreign doctors coming into this country have to take it? That might be your answer.

41 posted on 11/08/2013 9:24:06 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: liberalh8ter
How does Obamacare reconcile with the Hippocratic Oath....

The same way Obama, Progressives (and many politicians in general) reconcile with the Constitution ......

42 posted on 11/09/2013 2:40:23 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Nowhere Man

I pray that you’ll succeed.


43 posted on 11/09/2013 7:36:25 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name the illness that you have and Google it with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

Thank you. I’m calling a natural doctor on Monday.


44 posted on 11/09/2013 12:37:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you, Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012) It has been a year, rest in peace, pretty girl!)
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To: xzins

just wonder how the gub’mint will deal with alzheimer’s patients. more and more baby boomers are reaching retirement age and not enough youth to deal with the number of people to support the crazy spending.

i have my mother living with me now, 77 diagnosed with alzheimers and the medical field has already changed in two years. care is getting sketchy, 4 physicians have left the area and only 1 nurse practitioner has been hired, medical appointments more spread out, when seeing the physician excellent care being given, no need for nursing home placement. Only 2 nursing homes in the county (of 14,000 people, yet the county consists of area of 532 miles) where I live in. 2 year waiting list. no hospice, adult day care services closed doors a year ago. services virtually non existent.


45 posted on 11/09/2013 4:17:51 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: hondact200

The government is not interested in the well-being of its citizens except in terms of power seekers having workers to enable them to maintain and expand their power.

Therefore, the weak are really of no interest to them at all. To the extent that the weak cost them money, they will do what they can to rid themselves of those weak members.

Any pretensions about caring for people are simply the means by which they gain control over vast sums of wealth and additional power over the lives of the underlings.

They will cut them off from the land of the living without qualm and for the slightest of reasons.


46 posted on 11/09/2013 5:02:21 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: plain talk

Well, you can’t put a value on human life etc. etc., if it saves just one life even though it costs a billion dollars it’s worth it, blah, blah, blah. People who have said this and believed it are about to find out just how quickly the federal government CAN AND WILL “Put a value on human life.” The value that government will put on your life is far lower than most could ever imagine.


47 posted on 11/10/2013 10:40:20 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: plain talk

This takes the most personal of decisions out of the hands of the doctor, patient, family relationship and puts it in the hands of people who really don’t give a damn about any of the three.


48 posted on 11/10/2013 10:49:11 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: RipSawyer
Well, you can’t put a value on human life etc. etc., if it saves just one life even though it costs a billion dollars it’s worth it, blah, blah, blah. People who have said this and believed it are about to find out just how quickly the federal government CAN AND WILL “Put a value on human life.” The value that government will put on your life is far lower than most could ever imagine.

So true. People themselves do have to place limits on the value of a human life or anything that requires money. People do not have unlimited resources. If there was not insurance and people had to pay all their medical care out of their pockets families would impose such limits themselves. Grandpa might not get a heart transplant depending on the situation but that would be decided by the family not some faceless bureaucrat. Maybe if government confiscated less from people then maybe they might have a fighting chance to pay more of their own care

49 posted on 11/10/2013 11:30:47 AM PST by plain talk
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To: xzins

The zero info-bots think this Obamacare is Big Government at its best. To have a few terminal cancer patients denied further treatment is the price to pay for the wonderful government trough. They would sell their mother and send this nation down the river to get their free stuff.


50 posted on 11/11/2013 3:08:20 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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