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Why U.S. Troops Want to Stay in Afghanistan
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Oct. 25, 2013 | MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS

Posted on 10/25/2013 9:06:34 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

U.S. and Afghan politicians are in the middle of a heated debate over whether a small American and NATO force will remain in Afghanistan at the end of next year.

But what's a political and strategic question at the negotiating table is an emotional question at bases around Afghanistan, where soldiers watch the discussions with one eye on their sacrifices over the past 12 years and the other on the American withdrawal from Vietnam four decades ago.

In short, they don't want to go home without the win.

After repeated combat tours, an untold number of divorces and nearly 2,300 U.S. dead, American servicemen want their losses in Afghanistan to have been worth it. For many of them, that means keeping a residual force here to help the Afghans fend off a resurgent Taliban.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhogwot; military; oef; stay; troops; us; waronterror
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1 posted on 10/25/2013 9:06:34 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why would they want to come home to Queerville Obamacare Gulag Land??? Better to wait it out.


2 posted on 10/25/2013 9:10:17 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: MinorityRepublican

The troops don’t want to pull out without a win because that would mean all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 9:12:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican

If this is really coming from in-theater vets... I don’t know who has currency to argue otherwise.


4 posted on 10/25/2013 9:16:00 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Lancey Howard

You nailed it.


5 posted on 10/25/2013 9:22:47 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Lancey Howard

It seems like they were for nothing. The histories of the geographical areas now called Iraq and Afghanistan tell a tale of repeated failures at civilizing them, at least in the western way.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 9:23:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Iraq has a chance at civilization. Afghanistan was, is, and will remain a stone age toilet.


7 posted on 10/25/2013 9:24:52 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican

Without reading it I’m going to say in the top three of many reasons is the same reason a kid would stay with a neglectful aunt rather than go home to mom’s abusive boyfriend. At least there are movies and you can play a boy’s game once in awhile with rules


8 posted on 10/25/2013 9:26:11 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Lancey Howard

“pull out without a win because that would mean all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing”

That’s completely childish thinking. So are we supposed to lose hundreds more so it has “meaning”? The best way to honor those lost is to not lose more pursuing a war where we have to be careful not to insult the enemy or their religion.

It’s meaning was lost when we decided that they should ever be trusted with a weapon or self governance. It’s meaning was lost when we have to show difference to islam. It’s meaning was lost when McChrystol refused fire support to men in battle.
It’s meaning was lost when our troops were told not to be critical of Afghan moslem pedophilia.


9 posted on 10/25/2013 9:27:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Just another Obama foreign policy disaster.

Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan.

So close to victory just five years ago and now Obama will retreat like the coward he is.

We have lost more wars under Obama than all other presidents combined.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 9:29:09 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: 1010RD
The last Westerner to have any lasting success in Afghanistan was Alexander the Great. Maybe there is a clue in that little tit bit.

FYI, Taliban targets descendants of Alexander the Great 2,500 years later and they (afghans) are still pissed.

11 posted on 10/25/2013 9:36:09 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Lancey Howard

“all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing.”

Yes, I’m afraid so. At least all those lost after the first six months. We should have gone in, and killed as many bad people as we could find. Screw Gitmo; just kill them and leave the bodies for the crows.

Then we should have left.


12 posted on 10/25/2013 9:47:44 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: DesertRhino
That’s completely childish thinking.

Go tell the troops that, tough guy.

13 posted on 10/25/2013 10:11:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I look at everything, everything, from an eternal point of view. Those who served because they love their country, their families, their brothers in arms, and do their part out of love, have not loved in vain. No Greater Love is never given in vain.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 10:27:29 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

That’s a good post right there.
Thanks for that.

FRegards,
LH


15 posted on 10/25/2013 10:40:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican
In short, they don't want to go home without the win.

Win is not in the playbook of this administration. These troops are in danger for even talking to anyone about their thoughts on this.

The Obama team will solve it like they did with Seal Team 6.
16 posted on 10/25/2013 11:07:02 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dem's do & voted!)
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To: DesertRhino

That about sums it up.


17 posted on 10/26/2013 12:37:30 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Given the pending obamacare debacle,
Afghanistan may be a safer place to be.


18 posted on 10/26/2013 12:46:01 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Lancey Howard

No one is blind to how the douche bag pissed on the Iraq effort.


19 posted on 10/26/2013 1:01:40 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Lancey Howard
The troops don’t want to pull out without a win because that would mean all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing.

On a twist of the old saying used in the stock market "Don't throw good money after bad."

Don't throw away living blood after the dead.

20 posted on 10/26/2013 1:09:25 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Gene Eric
No one is blind to how the douche bag pissed on the Iraq effort.

This has been and always will be primary Bush's fault.

21 posted on 10/26/2013 1:10:55 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

No, noob, Obama is the one that accelerated the premature withdrawal of troops from Iraq.


22 posted on 10/26/2013 1:13:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: henkster
’ We should have gone in, and killed as many bad people as we could find. Screw Gitmo; just kill them and leave the bodies for the crows.

Then we should have left.’

I agree.
And the tough guys who I know, and there are quite a few,who were there, think they were screwed and misused and the operations of nation building after the initial offensive were a pointless waste of soldiers and material.
TWB

23 posted on 10/26/2013 3:13:52 AM PDT by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Another democRAT in office causes another war loss like VN. Or perhaps the combat zone bonus and accelerated promotions or lack of garrison duty BS that’s stateside is the appeal or the fags in the showers. Or perhaps unlike in VM where anyone in a combat zone can be fired upon first, isn’t the rule in AFG or the inability to call in air strikes or artillery without having to get a 4 man consensus is the draw. Doubt it. Take a vote from every trigger-pulling serviceman in the field and then come back here with the TRUE opinion.


24 posted on 10/26/2013 4:25:40 AM PDT by AKinAK (Keep your powder dry pilgrim.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Why U.S. Troops Want to Stay in Afghanistan

Their government websites work?

25 posted on 10/26/2013 4:39:25 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Lancey Howard
That’s completely childish thinking. Go tell the troops that, tough guy.

Exactly - "DesertRhino" sounded more like "Deserting Whino"

26 posted on 10/26/2013 5:04:35 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
nearly 2,300 U.S. dead

I'm sorry - how many? I just want it repeated, since we haven't heard any war death numbers from the MSM since, um, let's see, roughly January 21, 2009.

27 posted on 10/26/2013 5:43:43 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Short of an all-out, unrestricted war on the Religion Of Peace, there will never be the possibility of a win.


28 posted on 10/26/2013 6:57:49 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Lancey Howard

It was all for nothing. The 5th column made sure of that. They should come home full of rage against this government.


29 posted on 10/26/2013 7:05:57 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I agree with a lot of the sentiment expressed here so far, but if I could add its also primarily young white men who want to fight instead of coming back to “Mommy Professor’s day care center for Tolerance.” PC is primarily directed at them, and this is an escape.


30 posted on 10/26/2013 7:11:10 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Define the elements of a "win".

I'd suggest the the RoEs preclude such.

31 posted on 10/26/2013 7:55:30 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican
In short, they don't want to go home without the win.

Seems we did this back in the day. Like 1975 or so. We Nam vets feel we won the war, big. It was the government that lost the war. The John Kerry Wing of Socialist Anti-American, US Military hating, Commie Loving, Obama butt kissing wing of the Homo Loving Dim Party.

32 posted on 10/26/2013 8:25:45 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Bingo!


33 posted on 10/26/2013 9:00:39 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Just make that “stone age.” It’s the toilet part they can’t handle. With 90 % illiteracy (or was it in-bred illegitamacy?) these people can’t handle flush terlets. They can’t make ‘em and they can’t use ‘em. Try to buy toilet paper in Afganyland. Without an effort at education all the rest is futile and while I agree with the GI’s that their effort/sacrifice shouldn’t be wasted the support has to come from DC and that’s where the “waste” is.


34 posted on 10/26/2013 11:04:41 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks MinorityRepublican.
In short, they don't want to go home without the win.
There were two ways to win in Afghanistan: one, arm the opium farmers and agree to buy their entire crop, as much as they could grow (for processing into medication, the rest to be destroyed, or refined and shipped into Russia, China, and the OPEC countries to make heroin addiction dirt cheap), they'd have annihilated the Taliban in about two weeks; two, just kill every mullah and destroy every mosque and madrassa in Afghanistan.


35 posted on 10/26/2013 11:44:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Lancey Howard

“The troops don’t want to pull out without a win because that would mean all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing.”

As they did in Iraq (we called it a win after our midnight flight from the country)...

I seriously hope these troops don’t believe victory is possible; to “win” in Afghanistan would require a type of war no leader in the US will ever sanction, and as long as Islam exists “our” Afghans will gladly train their weapons on US troops. Overthrowing the Taliban was a worthwhile goal in light of 9/11, but there was really no plan beyond that. We should have left after killing whatever Taliban leaders we could find (using eatraordinary and illegal means to do so); that would have been sufficient (and just).


36 posted on 10/26/2013 12:07:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MinorityRepublican
[In short, they don't want to go home without the win.]

The U.S. actually did win in Iraq. But the Obama Administration sabotaged relations with the Iraqi government as a prelude to abandoning any role there. A prosperous, relatively stable Iraq might have justified Bush and discredited Obama’s anti-surge, antiwar position.

37 posted on 10/26/2013 12:15:46 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The only thing I’d add is that to actually destroy the Talib, Pakistan (the sun source of the Talib) would have to be destroyed too... and imo, it should be destroyed.


38 posted on 10/26/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: 1010RD

You can’t civilize a people who’s religion requires them to stay in the stone age. Islam needs to go, but they won’t have that. So they need to go, I’m sure it wouldn’t take too long to rig up a few dozen neutron bombs.


39 posted on 10/26/2013 1:55:50 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I know a number of them that do not want to go back and many that want to leave. Even the civilian contractors want to leave as they live in terrible conditions and the money isn’t worth it anymore. They make $200k-$350k but work 15 hours days and 7 days a week, have zero privacy, crap food (usually an MRE), zero entertainment, zero social life, hostile superiors and “friendly” forces, etc.


40 posted on 10/26/2013 2:00:23 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: DesertRhino

pretty much nailed it.


41 posted on 10/26/2013 2:01:21 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Lancey Howard

Well there assbag, Ive been over in the sandbox. So I’ll say what I damned well want. And now I’ll say it again. Its childish thinking to stay longer and kill and maim more of our people, just so the earlier deaths have “meaning”.

It’s delusional to think we will ever create a nation state run by the Afghans. If we stay three decades it’ll be the same because the people there are incapable of escaping the most virulent form of islam.
Next there is no military victory to win, and no enlightened local government will arise.

So yeah, staying is pointless. And staying in a futile effort cannot attach meaning to the earlier deaths. The only meaning it gets is that they were our best, and they were betrayed by a government that is afraid to insult the enemy.


42 posted on 10/26/2013 2:41:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well there assbag, Ive been over in the sandbox. So I’ll say what I damned well want. And now I’ll say it again. Its childish thinking to stay longer and kill and maim more of our people, just so the earlier deaths have “meaning”.

It’s delusional to think we will ever create a nation state run by the Afghans. If we stay three decades it’ll be the same because the people there are incapable of escaping the most virulent form of islam.
Next there is no military victory to win, and no enlightened local government will arise.

So yeah, staying is pointless. And staying in a futile effort cannot attach meaning to the earlier deaths. The only meaning it gets is that they were our best, and they were betrayed by a government that is afraid to insult the enemy.


43 posted on 10/26/2013 2:44:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Lancey Howard
The troops don’t want to pull out without a win because that would mean all the lost lives and limbs of their brothers were for nothing.

So what constitutes a win?

44 posted on 10/26/2013 2:46:03 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DesertRhino

Get the troops out of there and nuke the poppy fields.


45 posted on 10/26/2013 2:48:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: trebb

Your childish insult aside, please tell me two things.

How will staying create an Afghan nation that is not an Islamic hotbed. Karzai is epically corrupt, and is already diplomatically cozy with Pakistan and the Taliban.
His soldiers murder ours as often as we give them the chance.

Because it’s a fact we will not be nuking the hills, or outdoing the USSR in ruthlessness. And its a fact that the Afghans are incapable of modern values.

Next, please tell me about your time as a grunt.


46 posted on 10/26/2013 2:59:42 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dfwgator

Ahhhh,,, the poppy fields. “Meaning” was lost when orders forbade damaging the crop. At that point, every grunt walking past the heroin crop headed for our streets was told everything they needed to know about “meaning”. And also about,,,, hypocrisy.


47 posted on 10/26/2013 3:10:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DoodleDawg
So what constitutes a win?

The unconditional surrender of Barack Hussein Ubama.

48 posted on 10/26/2013 3:22:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DesertRhino
Well there assbag

Whatever you say. Jerkoff.

49 posted on 10/26/2013 3:23:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican

If there was actually a chance of a win for them, I’d say go for it. But our government, republicans and rats alike, has made it pretty clear they want to have their cake and eat it to (ie, they don’t want to win, but they don’t want to lose either), which will only result in more US deaths.

If our government is going to continue to hold our troops back while they’re over there, then it’s time to bring them home.


50 posted on 10/26/2013 4:47:59 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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