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[VANITY] House to vote on Senate plan??
self | 16 October 2013 | self

Posted on 10/16/2013 8:36:23 AM PDT by ShadowAce

OK, please educate me here--

How can this even be happening, constitutionally, when all fiscal bills MUST ORIGINATE in the House?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bills; budget; constitution; debt; fiscal; house; senate

1 posted on 10/16/2013 8:36:23 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce

This has been discussed a hundred times. Do your own research.


2 posted on 10/16/2013 8:38:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ShadowAce

silly, silly boy - The Constitution means nothing to these people.


3 posted on 10/16/2013 8:38:50 AM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: ShadowAce

Good question.


4 posted on 10/16/2013 8:39:03 AM PDT by madison10
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To: ShadowAce
the media and Obama have been lying about that not raising the debt limit will result in default

there is NO RISK OF DEFAULT.

keep the gov shut down and do NOT raise the debt ceiling. call R's tell them to hold the line

the media has been lying saying Armageddon will happen Oct 17 if the debt limit is not raised. that is a big lie. the media lied. Obama lied. Reid lied.

we have to call and email Republicans and tell them not to believe the media lies. what is the capital switchboard or their emails or phone numbers?

5 posted on 10/16/2013 8:39:17 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: ShadowAce

..if this passes
..this latest so-called “agreement” is flawed from the beginning....the INCOME VERIFICATION will never be enforced as long as ODUNGO AND HOLDER are in charge.....their people will still steal from the taxpayer.
There was an article yesterday that said a newspaper out in CA was telling people to purposely falsify their applications to take advantage of subsidies... nothing will be done.
EX-ACORN people working now for Odungo will see to it....


6 posted on 10/16/2013 8:39:18 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ShadowAce

I don’t know for sure. But I think maybe technically, if the House votes first, then technically they would say that the House originated the bill.

Hopefully someone else who knows how this is legal can educate all of us.


7 posted on 10/16/2013 8:39:30 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ShadowAce
I haven't seen a bill in either chamber, yet. All the talk seems to be the media anticipating what they think may happen.

/johnny

8 posted on 10/16/2013 8:40:59 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ShadowAce

Shell bill, filled with the Senate’s language, just like how they rammed Obamacare through.


9 posted on 10/16/2013 8:42:11 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974
Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.
Budget Enforcement Act of 1990.
Balanced Budget Act of 1997.
Budget Control Act of 2011.

Yep, one more “act” ought to do it.

Congress violates most of the Constitution mutiple times a day.

I doubt one more law is going to have them returning to federalism. 95 % of them need a good ass kicking.


10 posted on 10/16/2013 8:44:06 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni
Or rope.

/johnny

11 posted on 10/16/2013 8:45:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Doogle

Then why would anyone not try for the subsidy? Best way yet to wreck the nobamacare train. Everybody get on for free!


12 posted on 10/16/2013 8:49:40 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: ShadowAce
The GOP has caved...

Senate leaders reached last-minute agreement Wednesday to avert a threatened Treasury default and reopen the government

13 posted on 10/16/2013 8:50:13 AM PDT by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: TurboZamboni; JRandomFreeper
Congress violates most of the Constitution mutiple times a day.

And yet Americans are neglecting their (our) duty to correct this. Either we need to go down in flames, or we need to rise up in flames.

14 posted on 10/16/2013 8:50:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Old Sarge
What's the bill number?

/johnny

15 posted on 10/16/2013 8:54:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: X-spurt

..they won’t stop Illegals from getting tax returns for 16 dependents who still live in Mexico..what makes people think they will enforce this?


16 posted on 10/16/2013 8:56:29 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ShadowAce

Audio - Mark Levin: What Obama Is Really Doing - Seizing The Power Of The Purse From Congress

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3079689/posts
Video is nearly 2 hours, but Mark talks about this at the beginning of the audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiKbDLWKfU


17 posted on 10/16/2013 8:57:29 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: ShadowAce
Once again the republicants agree to kick the can down the road for a handful of empty promises.
18 posted on 10/16/2013 9:05:09 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: ShadowAce

This is what happens when the House Republicans/conservatives can’t stick together and agree on something. We get the Senate bill which is a total cave. The House could have produced something yesterday that would at least have been better than the Reid/McConnell bill, but it sounds like we have some “all or nothing” holdouts that just have no clue how tactics and strategy work.

In the end, it appears we’ve accomplished nothing but weaken the conservative position and make it harder to pick up seats in 2014.

Good going guys!


19 posted on 10/16/2013 9:05:28 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ShadowAce

Eventually I expect a John Roberts-led SCOTUS to toss the Origination Clause, saying it has become irrelevant now that Senators are directly elected.


20 posted on 10/16/2013 9:54:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Doogle

I’m saying, WE all will be stupid to not game nobamacare however we can.

I still think when Roberts said OK to it being a tax, that was an effective way to plant a poison pill that will throw it back to the Congress to redo or throw out. The reason? “Origination”, which can not be brought to suit and the SCOTUS until a person with standing brings it up following enactment on 1 Jan. 2014.

This will make it even more important to get more conservatives in the House and gain control of the Senate in 2014 Mid-terms. But if we can only keep the House, then the House can block any nobamacare redo forced by SCOTUS. If the dems regain the House in 14, look for them to rework nobamacare even if this SCOTUS does not review per Origination and THEN it might well be the law of the land.

If the dems regain full Congress in 14, nobamacare won’t matter, all of America will be lost then anyway.


21 posted on 10/16/2013 10:23:54 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
I’m saying, WE all will be stupid to not game nobamacare however we can.

We should always make a strategy / plan to be successful in the environment we end up in. To adapt, to overcome. That's the bottom line.

22 posted on 10/16/2013 10:28:10 AM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: ShadowAce
Constitution?

Constitution?

We don need no stink'n Constitution!

23 posted on 10/16/2013 10:28:54 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

“Rule of Law????? We don need no steenkin’ Rule of Law”


24 posted on 10/29/2013 1:34:22 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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