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Dems decry midnight rule change
thehill.com ^ | 10/14/13 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 10/14/2013 1:11:40 PM PDT by cotton1706

House Democrats are fuming about a rule change adopted by Republicans just before the government shut down on Oct. 1, arguing it shows GOP leaders closed agencies intentionally.

Under long-standing House rules, any member of the chamber can bring a measure to the floor. But Republicans altered the rule governing legislation to fund the government so that only House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) holds the power to make such a motion.

The practical effect of that change became apparent on Saturday, when Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, tried to bring the Senate-passed continuing resolution (CR) to the floor, only to be shot down.

"That motion may be offered only by the majority leader or his designee," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who was presiding over the chamber at the time.

The response didn't sit well with Van Hollen.

"Why are the rules rigged to keep the government shut down?" he asked.

The disagreement over how to reopen the government hinges on the scope of the chambers' spending proposals, with Democrats demanding the Senate's "clean" bill and most Republicans insisting any CR must make changes to ObamaCare.

Under the standing rules of the House, any member can make a "privileged" motion "to dispose of any amendment" when a "stage of disagreement" between the House and Senate "has been reached on a bill or resolution." That privilege, though rarely used, offers a roundabout way for the minority party to force votes on the floor.

But in the last hour of Sept. 30, Republicans on the House Rules Committee altered the rule governing the CR debate so that such a motion "may be offered only by the Majority Leader or his designee."

Explaining the change, Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) made no attempt to disguise the Republicans' motivations. The alteration was made, he said, to prevent Democrats from bringing the Senate's "clean" CR to the floor, just as Republicans were calling for a conference on the competing bills.

"There are rules related to privileged motions that could take place almost effective immediately, and we're trying to go to conference," Sessions said.

"I understand you are, but that doesn't tell me why you changed the regular order so that only Mr. Cantor can do that under the rule," Rep. Louise Slaughter (N.Y.), senior Democrat on the panel, responded.

"There could be a motion as early as tonight [and] a conference would be avoided," Sessions said. "And we want a conference. We want to have an actual discussion."

"Well, I think you've taken that away," Slaughter said of the motion option.

"That's what I'm saying, we took that away," Sessions said.

"Oh mercy, it just gets deeper and deeper," Slaughter said.

The rule passed out of the committee with every Republican voting for it and every Democrat voting against.

Saturday's exchange between Van Hollen and Chaffetz followed a similar arc, with Democrats accusing the GOP of keeping the government closed and Republicans simply invoking their rule change as a way to keep the Senate CR off the House floor.

"The Rules Committee ... changes the standing rules of the House to take away the right of any member to move to vote to open the government and gave that right exclusively to the Republican leader. Is that right?" Van Hollen asked.

"The House adopted that resolution," Chaffetz said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barrycades; operationwhipcracker
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. What's good for one majority leader is good for another. What's good for the Senate is good for the House.

The democrats are perfectly happy with Harry Reid having the sole power to block all legislation or bring up all legislation. But now they're all upset that their legislation was blocked by the Majority Leader of the House, or at least, he's the only one who can bring it to the floor.

Though I favor open process and have no doubt that this may be a part of a power grab, good for the republican leadership in the House for thinking ahead to thwart the democrats' plans. The King's movement was checked!

1 posted on 10/14/2013 1:11:40 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Does the left never have a time when they’re not upset over something?


2 posted on 10/14/2013 1:12:56 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: cotton1706

I am impressed. usually it is the dems making the rules. As a minority party, they need all of the power they can get to stop out of control spending.


3 posted on 10/14/2013 1:13:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cotton1706

House ‘rats need to lobby Dingy to produce fair rules.


4 posted on 10/14/2013 1:13:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cotton1706
"The King's movement was checked! "

Peter King belongs to the wrong Party.

5 posted on 10/14/2013 1:14:40 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: manc

Why do you think they’re so sympathetic to the Mohammadan hordes ?


6 posted on 10/14/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cotton1706

“But Republicans altered the rule governing legislation to fund the government so that only House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) holds the power to make such a motion”

Similar to...

But Democrats altered the rule governing legislation so that only Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nv.) holds the power to decide on what bills the senate can take action on.


7 posted on 10/14/2013 1:18:22 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Paladin2

Appears the pubbies might be catching on and learning the ins and outs of exactly how the rats do business. It seems to work well for the rats. LOL way to go guys. Anything that can get VanHollen’s panties in a twist is ok by me.


8 posted on 10/14/2013 1:18:39 PM PDT by V K Lee
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To: cotton1706
""Why are the rules rigged to keep the government shut down?" he asked."

Dunno, Van Hollen. Ask Harry Reid.

9 posted on 10/14/2013 1:19:24 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (My PV2 is my hero.)
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To: cotton1706

ping


10 posted on 10/14/2013 1:20:19 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: cotton1706

Wah...wah...wah...

Shickanery was used by Pelosi and Reid to get Obamacare on the books.


11 posted on 10/14/2013 1:21:30 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: cotton1706

I don’t recall hearing them cry when Nancy Pelosi decreed that all freshmen proposed legislation must go through her and then completely shutting down GOP freshmen. They then ran against those freshmen in the next election saying that those republicans didn’t propose a single piece of legislation.


12 posted on 10/14/2013 1:22:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cotton1706

& don’t tell me for a second the RATS haven’t already pulled this or would do it without hesitation. This is the same bunch who “deemed” Obummercare passed.

What about Dingy filling the ammendment tree?? Basically the same thing RATS so quit your whining f’n hypocrites!


13 posted on 10/14/2013 1:23:09 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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I might raise an eyebrow if it weren’t the Democrats’ tools the GOP put to use.


14 posted on 10/14/2013 1:23:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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15 posted on 10/14/2013 1:25:50 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The Repubs need to beat the “STOP SPENDING” drum nonstop and LOUDLY. They cannot lose on this argument.


16 posted on 10/14/2013 1:26:35 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

They need to point out that the USA has a higher per capita debt than Greece. And repeat that often.

(I have not heard one person say this)


17 posted on 10/14/2013 1:27:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cotton1706

The leadership in both the House and the Senate sets the legislative priorities. I believe the Democrats are using an arcane parliamentary trick to force legislation to the floor against the Speaker’s wishes. The rules might have been changed to stop this. Strange how the article doesn’t mention this.

It’s about time the Republicans started playing hardball. Now if only the Senate Republicans would follow suit.


18 posted on 10/14/2013 1:28:21 PM PDT by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: cotton1706

Is this like allowing Harry Reid to amend a bill AFTER it was passed??


19 posted on 10/14/2013 1:30:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

More like STOP PUTTING YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS INTO BANKSTER SLAVERY.


20 posted on 10/14/2013 1:31:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cotton1706
Why I thought the ‘rats just looovvved parliamentary tricks, they're so smug and pleased with themselves when they pull them!
21 posted on 10/14/2013 1:33:26 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: manc

The bullies crying because their prey fought back?

Classic?


22 posted on 10/14/2013 1:33:33 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: cotton1706

Cantor or someone should get a big gavel and carry it around.


23 posted on 10/14/2013 1:33:57 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: cotton1706

It was done to protect the RINOs from having to vote on the CR.
That’s why they’ve been so well behaved LOL!

I wonder how often such a rule was used in the past. Shame the srticle didn’t inform us on that.


24 posted on 10/14/2013 1:35:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t recall hearing them cry when Nancy Pelosi decreed that all freshmen proposed legislation must go through her and then completely shutting down GOP freshmen. They then ran against those freshmen in the next election saying that those republicans didn't’t propose a single piece of legislation.

Yeah...just like Stalin dealt with the Kulaks....

(from a FReepers post earlier today....summarized)

First Stalin denied them seed grains for planting....

Next year demanded the grain production

Sent his goons in to confiscate the non existent "grain hoardings"

....and millions died.

25 posted on 10/14/2013 1:38:33 PM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: rainee

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/328431-reid-mcconnell-deal-would-raise-debt-ceiling-to-feb-7

* Please tell me how this is a “deal”, looks like McConnell caved. There is nothing positive in this thing for us..a committee to replace sequestration?? they even removed the medical tax language. What a freakin’ joke!


26 posted on 10/14/2013 1:38:56 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: cotton1706

” What’s good for the Senate is good for the House. “

They’re learning!


27 posted on 10/14/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: manc

If they didn’t have something to b*tch about, they’d b*tch about that.


28 posted on 10/14/2013 2:55:27 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: cotton1706

When that little snarky creep Van Hollen asked why the republicans changed the rules, there were several responses that could have been given.

“Because we can.”

“Remember obamacare? Payback’s a bitch.”

“Shutty!”


29 posted on 10/14/2013 2:57:36 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: cotton1706

Elections have consequences and we won the House so it is our rules. You rats can come along for the ride but you must sit in the back seat!


30 posted on 10/14/2013 2:59:32 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

A movie could be made about exactly how that bill was passed.


31 posted on 10/14/2013 3:09:38 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: cotton1706

Not only do the Commie ‘Rats not read the bills, they do not read the rules. Two year olds throwing temper tantrums when they pooped their own panties.


32 posted on 10/14/2013 3:43:03 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: manc

Von Hollen is Mr. WUSS of the House. Another Maryland marxist who will do anything for power. He has no shame, no ideals, no morals, no patriotism.

In other words, he’s the “perfect” Democrat.


33 posted on 10/14/2013 5:29:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: cotton1706

Gee... that’s funny...

I don’t remember the Dimwits screaming and fuming when THEY change the rules at a whim...

Ain’t it a shame...


34 posted on 10/14/2013 5:31:42 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: cotton1706

Cool.. It’s good to see the House doing what Harry Reid is doing in the Senate.
Funny how the rats don’t like their own medicine.

Kudos to the House leadership for getting something right.


35 posted on 10/14/2013 5:35:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: manc

The shutdown is what Obama wanted. His executive department ordered it (See OPM).

To ask why he signed the spending legislation shows you need more education in government and political science.


36 posted on 10/14/2013 6:22:47 PM PDT by Rapscallion (With more E-mail and telephone surveillance do you feel more secure?)
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To: cotton1706

Constitution/Shutdown bookmark.


37 posted on 10/14/2013 6:40:26 PM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Conservatism =/= Corporatism.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Another smear — Zero and his fellow Demwits not only caused the shutdown, they’ve been using MORE illegal spending to fund the ILLEGAL banning of citizens from visiting national parks and monuments.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 3:46:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: NTHockey

They would complain if you hanged them with a brand new rope!


39 posted on 10/15/2013 5:25:52 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: cotton1706

2:53 Minutes
Louise Slaughter Grills Pete Sessions Over Rule Change ‘Atrocity’ That Rigged Shutdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjt7NfNk7c


40 posted on 10/15/2013 7:49:53 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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